EPT- Naniwa doesn't get his Code S seed
- He can still participate in the current GSL season through the open bracket
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NaNiwa not invited to Code S - Page 281
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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Weemoed
Netherlands741 Posts
- Naniwa doesn't get his Code S seed - He can still participate in the current GSL season through the open bracket ? | ||
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Soft`Soap
Canada865 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:01 nilssonen wrote: This is not how GOM translated this rule when fitting it into this situation. I also strongly disagree with GOM's way of handling it. Having them play a WORTHLESS game from the beginning. When this happens in other sports teams throw out B-teams. This is not possible since it's 1v1, and you cant expect a competitive person to "like" it and play at 100%. When similar situations happened when i was in a individual ski league people that were "out" were NEVER forced to ski down the track to "satisfy" the spectators. With that being said, i do not approve of Naniwa's behavior but i feel that it's his teams place to do something about it, specially since he did not break any rule. And if you say he did, answer how he "threatened" anyone, is'nt that why they banned him, because he didn't even threaten Nestea in the game?  obviously you and koreans have a different definition of what worthless is this game was clearly not worthless to nestea, gomtv, the korean viewers and a lot of the foreign viewers as said before GOMtv does not need to justify their actions and the fact that they did is more courtesy than legal obligation GOMtv wanted to punish naniwa somehow and the easiest way to do this would be to forfeit his code s spot he is still eligible to participate in the code A qualifiers as he wasn't banned for the tournament really tell me what else GOMtv could've done to punish this behaviour | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:43 whereyouat wrote: Yeah talk it out, take it out after the fact. Don't ruin other peoples experience because of your selfish antics. Ignorant westerner saying all koreans look the same. Honest, not afraid to show his opinion, cool but in the manner he does it hes a pretty childish, undeserving of being labeled a professional. Where have I said that all koreans look the same? I said "if you took away the names and the pictures". I simply stated that I found interviews with media trained people (including, but not limited too korean pro-gamers) uninteresting. How about responding with arguments defending your point of view instead of just blurting out general racist comments about westeners? | ||
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Soft`Soap
Canada865 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:08 Weemoed wrote: So, in short: - Naniwa doesn't get his Code S seed - He can still participate in the current GSL season through the open bracket ? yes | ||
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SC2NeCro
Canada507 Posts
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Kresh
United Kingdom9 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:50 TheBanana wrote: Yeah, I saw that. You should ignore the warning you got for the quoting-issue, honest mistake. I understand what you mean but I sitll disagree that the analogy works. If there really is no work it would be better for you as a boss if the employee went home. You just wouldn't pay him for the hours he missed and you benefit from it. And I agree with you that ideally the company would be set up on a per-hour basis so we could do that. But it's one of those things - consultants are paid a flat wage, and the company rules are that everyone has to be at work from 9 - 5:30. From me on upwards through MY boss, we work within those rules to be reasonable - we take the "spirit" of the rules. Understanding the pressures that other people are under is the main point I am trying to make - if GOM feel they have to present a certain image to THEIR sponsors/bosses, then you will get a big negative reaction when you make them look like fools, and make their competition LOOK like a farce. After all, make someone look like a fool often enough and people start wondering if they're right for their job...who wants to be put in that position? | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:06 baoluvboa wrote: why would I embrace naniwa when what he did in that particular case was disrespectful? He had a professional obligation to carry out and he failed to deliver due to the momentary weakness of his character. I hope that he will improve in the future but there is no reason to justify his behavior. Tyler put it best, it was inappropriate, and everyone can agree there were smarter decisions he could have made. In the end, it was a shitty situation for Naniwa to be in, and ultimately to me he proved hes way more real than Nestea. He won't fake a game to rile up fans who wouldn't know the difference. If he plays to give it his all, you can be damned sure hes playing with all of his heart. That, and the punishment is way, way to severe. Korea took it as disrespect and hyped it to be the worst thing in the world. Naniwa never intended to offend anyone. | ||
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Taiki
Norway57 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:06 dacimvrl wrote: What about the time on IGN Team Arena Challenge when Dignitas forfeited after going 0-4 against SlayerS. Did anyone bitch at Dignitas? Should IGN/IPL ban Dignitas? LoL. Dignitas actually had more of a chance than Naniwa did.. Such haters/hypocrites.... Let's all trash Dignitas!! No, but Naniwa did it, we have to hate him, Dignitas is okay. So much LuLz.. You apparently weren't in the LR thread then. The same happened with Millenium and both teams got a lot of shit in their threads. Also, yes. IPL should ban Dignitas and Mill from the turnament for a season. | ||
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IcariumJhag
United States21 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:54 kafkaesque wrote: "Hey man, that wasn't cool, our viewers want to see games, don't do it again, alright?" "Alright, I won't." Problem solved, no discussion necessary. He had a bad day, give him a fucking break... You think something like that will work against Naniwa? He's a repeat offender in tournaments, this sort of behavior isn't new for him. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:05 zimz wrote: What it all comes down to is Confucius culture. Korea is one of the hardcore Confucius countries. ![[image loading]](http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/images/ezine/Confucianism200BC.jpg) This is 200 b.c. and since then it has spread even wider. pacta sunt servanda is a principle from roman law though | ||
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WaSa
Sweden749 Posts
He broke no written or spoken rule. Gom is literally butthurt and their answer was to hurt naniwa as much as they could- So much for 'professionalism' and "korean sense of competition" and all that. | ||
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MingusDew
United States77 Posts
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:06 dacimvrl wrote: What about the time on IGN Team Arena Challenge when Dignitas forfeited after going 0-4 against SlayerS. Did anyone bitch at Dignitas? Should IGN/IPL ban Dignitas? LoL. Dignitas actually had more of a chance than Naniwa did.. Such haters/hypocrites.... Let's all trash Dignitas!! No, but Naniwa did it, we have to hate him, Dignitas is okay. Ppl should just man up and stop resorting to this you hurt my feelings; therefore, i will bend the rules to hurt you bs. It's elementary at best. So much LuLz.. Actually lots of people bitched at Dignitas they were multiple threads(Most got clsoed pretty quickly) and the LR was a shit storm. Also they jsut forfeited due to lack of players avaible. Naniwa Threw his game, he is lucky to not be banned for life from GOM really. Especially after he did it in such an obvious way(A moving probes and taking his hands off keyboard). | ||
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marcmtlca
Canada15 Posts
Tried to figure it out on the Gom site but I couldnt find a refund button. | ||
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Paladia
802 Posts
In no way can you foresee that doing a probe rush in a 100% worthless game in a completely different tournament would all of a sudden get you banned from Code S which you've already been granted a slot in. You can't have tournament organizers decide on a whim who gets banned and who gets special treatment. | ||
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Paladia
802 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:10 marcmtlca wrote: Does anyone know what I do to get a refund on the 100$ ticket i bought a day or 2 ago? I find it ridiculous that they kicked NAniwa out for something completely unrelated. The whole organisation lacks professionalism and I don't think I am going to follow it anymore. Tried to figure it out on the Gom site but I couldnt find a refund button. You'll have to do a paypal dispute (if you payed through paypal). | ||
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seoul_kiM
United States545 Posts
All professionals have good and bad days but they are always looking to learn different things and learn from games they lost. You can say Koreans are anal and/or ridiculous but in Korea respect is highly valued. It's very important to be respectful towards people whether it's in school or in Starcraft. Nestea probably feels disrespected along with GOMtv who hosts the most highly skilled tournament in the world. It's about showing some respect and getting over your emotions and frustrations about losing. NaNiwa has lost before and he will lose again...I don't want probe rushes every time he loses early in a tournament. And for those saying it's a kick in the nuts to the foreigners or what not is just retarded. They gave that spot to either Idra or Sen who are both foreigners. They aren't targeting anyone except NaNiwa for his behavior. If anyone else were to just throw a game, GOMtv would have probably even gotten even more furious with them if they were Korean because in Korea they no better about the culture. I probably will be banned for saying this yet again but you guys protesting and boycotting the GSL not only hurts foreign players like huk, idra, sen, and others competing but it also hurts eSports in general. We call it "eSports" and our professionals should act like them. | ||
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lee365
United States448 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:08 SC2NeCro wrote: Honestly, if people are going to argue that NaNiWa threw the game and made it not entertaining for the viewers, what about the NaNiWa vs. Leenock finals? All he did was a boring roach rush, that was NOT ENTERTAINING, especially compared to an epic long series, and yet people seem to have no problem at all with that one. Hypocritical to say the least. A roach rush can be entertaining for some people, saying thats its not is your own opinion. Probe rushing is just stupid and has no chance of winning outside of bronze leauge. | ||
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LunaSea
Luxembourg369 Posts
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
All gone so so messy. At end of day Nani was wrong with what he did, however understanable it is. gomtv are just as much to blame making them play a game where the is nothing on the line and had no impact on anyone qualifying.. Nani still should of done any strategy but what he did(4 gate is apparently acceptable or evena cannon rush). Punishment is harsh in many people eyes.... he still has a chance to qualify and show he should be there anyway(cant see it after going 0-10 vs koreans or is it 1-10) Good game!!! Lets move on and disccuss somethign else as constant threads however much I back nani are starting to ruin this forum. | ||
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