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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:38 Eppa! wrote: Haha thats pretty silly, an eye for an eye rules is not something to strive for. Bad idea by Naniwa Bad response by gomTV. i agree they should have banned him for at least 1 year and demanded reimbursement of damages that gom suffered due to this | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:36 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Uhh GOM payed him 900$ to be in this tournament, and though not a real contract, his is still obligated to play. And also, to the people crying saying he broke no rules. HE THREW THE FUCKING GAME. A moved his probes and literally took his hands of the keyboard..... He is lucky he doesn't get banned for life..... of course its a contract | ||
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whereyouat
United States65 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:38 VoirDire wrote: Tbh, I think that's why korean interviews is quite boring: They are so damn media trained that they all sound the same! I couldn't tell most of them apart if you took away the names and the pictures. I can't be the only one thinking this. Say what you want about naniwa, at least he's honest and not afraid to show his opinion. Yeah talk it out, take it out after the fact. Don't ruin other peoples experience because of your selfish antics. Ignorant westerner saying all koreans look the same. Honest, not afraid to show his opinion, cool but in the manner he does it hes a pretty childish, undeserving of being labeled a professional. | ||
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blinken
Canada368 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:37 whereyouat wrote: Lol more like Koreans are professionals that know how to act accordingly. They don't moan and whine when things don't go their way. They might do it off camera but seriously what kind of professional anything throws that kind of tantrum at what is supposed to be a celebrational tournament of that year? Think before you speak and in naniwas case Think before you act. You should follow your own advice. Are the Korean's not the ones who are "moaning and whining" about this whole thing? Naniwa has said nothing that could be quantified as moaning or whining. Get a clue. | ||
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Roxy
Canada753 Posts
While i can understand that it may have offended some koreans, this was not naniwa's intent. He meant nothing malicious and im certain he would not have done it if he knew it would offend anyone. It comes down to him being ignorant of what would offend them. Honestly, I could absolutely see myself doing the exact same thing naniwa did if I was in his shoes and be oblivious to how this could bother anyone. He just didnt want to play and considered it to be a throw-away game anyways. There is no way in hell he would have done this if he expected it to offend anyone. I think the punishment should fit the ignorance, they shouldnt punish him as if he deliberately gave a big "fuck you" to all of south korea. | ||
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Payson
United States394 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:36 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Uhh GOM payed him 900$ to be in this tournament, and though not a real contract, his is still obligated to play. And also, to the people crying saying he broke no rules. HE THREW THE FUCKING GAME. A moved his probes and literally took his hands of the keyboard..... He is lucky he doesn't get banned for life..... Players flip a coin at MLG to get out of playing their consolation matches. That seeding helps determine Nationals each year for MLG, so them flipping a coin is throwing away an entire series. Are they punished? No....... This is complete bullshit on GOM's part, make a statement regarding the situation and what you'll do to improve on it in the future, but why remove a player from Code S when he rightfully earned it at MLG Providence? | ||
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bloodmeat
United States160 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:38 Eppa! wrote: Haha thats pretty silly, an eye for an eye rules is not something to strive for. Technically eye for an eye would be someone playing against Naniwa and a moving their probes at him. This is disciplinary action, there's a difference. | ||
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:39 Kresh wrote: oops - messed up the quote... Anyway, it happens the whole time at work. For example, people who have no project to complete at the moment, so actually no work to do. It makes no difference if they are ion or out of the office. And in that situation, I make sure I don't catch them surfing...  Yeah, I saw that. You should ignore the warning you got for the quoting-issue, honest mistake. I understand what you mean but I sitll disagree that the analogy works. If there really is no work it would be better for you as a boss if the employee went home. You just wouldn't pay him for the hours he missed and you benefit from it. | ||
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Hubris
United States113 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:44 Payson wrote: Players flip a coin at MLG to get out of playing their consolation matches. That seeding helps determine Nationals each year for MLG, so them flipping a coin is throwing away an entire series. Are they punished? No....... This is complete bullshit on GOM's part, make a statement regarding the situation and what you'll do to improve on it in the future, but why remove a player from Code S when he rightfully earned it at MLG Providence? They're not on a main tstage match meant to celebrate SC2, and they're not at a GOM event. Fail analogy is fail. | ||
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
"Alright, I won't." Problem solved, no discussion necessary. He had a bad day, give him a fucking break... | ||
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Fission
Canada1184 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:53 ampson wrote: Wow, what an overreaction. The only person he could have possibly offended was nestea. I'm offended because I paid to see games, and what I got was a no-hands probe-rush. | ||
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:54 Fission wrote: I'm offended because I paid to see games, and what I got was a no-hands probe-rush. Jesus Christ... How petty can you get? | ||
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indigoblue22
5 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:34 Clbull wrote: I disagree, and I think it's a retarded analogy to compare tournament competition with a job that you are CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGED to do. I don't even... No. It is a good analogy. Don't knock it because you have the comprehension of a 5-year-old. Why the hell do you think tournaments exist in the first place? So they can give out thousands of dollars to players for no particular reason? So if a player has a bad day they can just bail in the middle of a televised cast ? Tournaments are held for the sole purpose of entertaining viewers and pushing/garnering sponsors. GOM gave Naniwa $850, the opportunity to win a lot more, and exposure in the most prestigious tournament league in sc2. To say that he owes them nothing (not even a 10 minute showmatch) is so incredibly juvenile. I'm honestly flummoxed as to how anyone can say Naniwa can do whatever the fuck he wants without understanding the natural corollary; If Naniwa had no obligation to play (for him) a meaningless match for GOM when they had thousands of viewers expecting just that, how is it hard to see that GOM has no obligation to invite Naniwa to an arbitrary Code S spot? Again, it utterly boggles my mind that so many people have this staggering sense of entitlement. | ||
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:04 ranshaked wrote: The thing is, the game wouldn't; have ever happened. At this point it's a show match...It means nothing. To me, you can do whatever you want if it means nothing. It's a pickup game. I don't think people understand this, or atleast how important this point is... Yes NesTea practiced on his birthday (seriously, it seems that ppl just say this to increase the drama here, HE TRAINED TO WIN THIS TOURNAMENT, NOT PLAY A WORTHLESS 0-3 SHOWMATCH THAT DIDN'T HELP HIM FOR SHIT). This pisses me off, doing some story to make NesTea look all sad and stuff because he practiced on his birthday... NesTea practicing on his birthday has NOTHING with this to do. THE MATCH WAS USELESS AND SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PLAYED IN THE FIRST PLACE. Everybody tries to get involved with the koreans feelings so much, that it's like Naniwa is giving them the finger... How do you think Naniwa feels after being cheesed 3 times (not saying ppl aren't allowed to cheese but you generally get mad when you lose to cheese, especially when you spend 12 hours a day in a country you don't even speak the language of to become the best) and then he gets forced to play a COMPLETELY USELESS MATCH THAT HAS NO IMPACT ON THE TOURNAMENT (I don't give a shit if this match was anticipated, that's doesn't matter, Naniwa shouldn't be punished more harshly just because he happened to face an opponent that the fans like to see). NO WONDER HE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE FUCKING PLAYING THE MATCH. Then GOM says that he broke the rule about abusive behaviour or some shit and then calls him an "amateur prize money hunter" or something like that? How about IdrA? I love IdrA, a big fan of him. But his behaviour just fills the criteria of that rule SO MUCH yet GOM embraces him with open arms? How about Stephano? He openly admits that he ONLY CARES ABOUT THE MONEY, NOTHING ELSE. He six pooled ClouD, a freaking TERRAN, TWICE IN A ROW AT DH IN A MATCH THAT MATTERED - NOBODY GAVE A SHIT! This is just a massive overreaction imo, completely ridicolous. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:44 bloodmeat wrote: Technically eye for an eye would be someone playing against Naniwa and a moving their probes at him. This is disciplinary action, there's a difference. I was talking about not giving a fuck but yeah your right. | ||
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Fym
United Kingdom189 Posts
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:56 kafkaesque wrote: Jesus Christ... How petty can you get? You are just blindly defending Naniwa, you said give him a break he had a bad day, Nestea went 0-4 and he came to play his final game, I think it was even on his birthday. It's not justified at all what Naniwa did, saying he had a bad day or that he was tired makes no sense, he had to play 4 games like everyone else and he wasn't the only one who had a bad day. People come to watch games not to see this stuff | ||
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epb1982
29 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:54 Fission wrote: I'm offended because I paid to see games, and what I got was a no-hands probe-rush. Everybody who is offended, esp the korean ''can't cope with ridicule'' should put an end to their stupid serious personalities... Starcraft =/= life, wake up you moron. | ||
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