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coko
Profile Joined November 2002
United Kingdom570 Posts
December 14 2011 09:46 GMT
#21
On December 14 2011 18:45 krews wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:44 m0ck wrote:
To me, the worst part of this is the way that GOM completely sidesteps any responsibility. When naniwa and Hero threw their games, it was due to the flawed format of the tournament. Having a bad tournament-system produces perverse incentives. We saw the result of that. GOM fails to acknowledge their own part in what has happened, and instead puts all blame on one player. That is not the way to do it.


when did hero throw a game ?


Cannon a zerg after spawning pool is done, putting cannons in the middle, not microing your warp prism at all.

Throw is strong, but really playing for no reason. Naniwa just sped it up.
xza
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore1600 Posts
December 14 2011 09:46 GMT
#22
LOL gom ought to think this through, dont just listen to korean netizens voices. Sure what naniwa did was wrong but he didnt deserve the ban. A lot of viewers from EU are gonna drop for GSL if he isnt playing, because even if they hate him, they still want to see europeans in GSL.

"What a terrible final. This is why BO3s are horrible. Seriously MKP vs Moon in a final and having it BO3 is like having Mila Kunis naked in your bed and all she'll give you is a HJ with her PJs on. Pffffffffffffffftt." -greatZERG
Chickenlegs
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden451 Posts
December 14 2011 09:47 GMT
#23
As expected I'm glad they did something, even though he's a fellow swede.
LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
December 14 2011 09:47 GMT
#24
this stupid. Don't make players play meaningless matches. It such a big culture difference. In the West, we expect and take into account the emotions of the players and expect our foreign players to be more emotional. In Korea, they're not used to these types of reactions from their native players.


This is really disappointing.
NicoLoco
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway159 Posts
December 14 2011 09:47 GMT
#25
Right when you thought Naniwa's career couldn't hit any more speedbumps. :/

Sad for both Nani and the foreign scene, not taking any sides.
If I gave a shit you'd be the first to get it!
MasterBlasterCaster
Profile Joined October 2011
United States568 Posts
December 14 2011 09:47 GMT
#26
That's why they got Idra and Sen... to cover their own asses...

Seriously though, anyone who is happy about this is a fucking asshole. Straight up.

User was warned for this post
AdreN-
Profile Joined November 2010
United States503 Posts
December 14 2011 09:47 GMT
#27
On December 14 2011 18:47 Chickenlegs wrote:
As expected I'm glad they did something, even though he's a fellow swede.

I don't think a punishment should be out of the question, but a BAN for not breaking any official rules isn't appropriate.
raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
December 14 2011 09:48 GMT
#28
GOM took it WAYYY to personally...
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
December 14 2011 09:48 GMT
#29
And this is supposed to be the most prestigious tournament we have in sc2? Throwing players in and out arbitrarily on whim. Fucking joke.
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
December 14 2011 09:48 GMT
#30
There's not playing your heart out and then there's taking a proverbial piss on the people organising a tournament. People who keep trying to compare it to a sports team sending out its b-teamers or saying its the same as cheese are apologists. Anyway, Gom has ruled against it, so it's over.
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SnoLys
Profile Joined August 2011
149 Posts
December 14 2011 09:48 GMT
#31
The only way to respond is to show them that you disagree with them, e-mail them and tweet them. But be polite!
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
December 14 2011 09:48 GMT
#32
On December 14 2011 18:44 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:43 Veldril wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:40 Archerylady wrote:
how incredibly unprofessional of gom. naniwa didn't break any rules. they should learn from their mistake and change their rules forbidding naniwas behavior, but instead they stoop far lower than naniwa did and do this.

twitter comfirmation: http://twitter.com/#!/Ethan_Ahn/status/146884383549308929


No, this is common for Korea culture. They take respect and pride as much as Japanese. If they don't do this, there is no way they can explain to Korean audiences.

They explain that he did not break any rules and that they will endeavor to make sure situations like this never occur.

You do NOT punish a player who broke no rules because what he did isn't part of their "culture". This is possibly one of the most unprofessional things I have ever heard of a company doing.


Yeah, GOM could do better by setting up a new rule and not punish yet but you have to turn the chess board around.

The most important audience of GOM would be Korean audiences. If GOM does not do anything, an outrage in Korea would be more likely to ruin GOM. They cannot risk it, especially when they want to establish the stronger base there.
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lxxpxrd
Profile Joined December 2011
10 Posts
December 14 2011 09:49 GMT
#33
On December 14 2011 18:44 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:43 Veldril wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:40 Archerylady wrote:
how incredibly unprofessional of gom. naniwa didn't break any rules. they should learn from their mistake and change their rules forbidding naniwas behavior, but instead they stoop far lower than naniwa did and do this.

twitter comfirmation: http://twitter.com/#!/Ethan_Ahn/status/146884383549308929


No, this is common for Korea culture. They take respect and pride as much as Japanese. If they don't do this, there is no way they can explain to Korean audiences.

They explain that he did not break any rules and that they will endeavor to make sure situations like this never occur.

You do NOT punish a player who broke no rules because what he did isn't part of their "culture". This is possibly one of the most unprofessional things I have ever heard of a company doing.


This. He broke no rules.

I will not be buying a new GSL ticket for next in protest. Not because it's Naniwa, but because this incredibly unprofessional and bad decision making, blaming someone else for their own lacking format.
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
December 14 2011 09:49 GMT
#34
This is actually absurd. If he broke a rule I would be behind this. He didn't technically quit he did a stupid strat that has close to a 0% chance of winning but he did nothing wrong by the Rules...
I am Godzilla You are Japan
Liveon
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Netherlands1083 Posts
December 14 2011 09:49 GMT
#35
I'm seriously surprised by this... o.O
I hope a better tournament than the GSL will come in Korea with clearer rules, because this is utter bullshit.
Hearthstone manager ECVisualize, Head Admin DSCL
Neste
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland23 Posts
December 14 2011 09:49 GMT
#36
If Naniwa is punished i won't watch any gsl till he plays there again. wtf
TheWonderbread
Profile Joined March 2011
United States14 Posts
December 14 2011 09:50 GMT
#37


Start at 18:50.

Makes me sick that everyone is saying that Naniwa is an amateur prize hunter or only in it for the money. It's very clear what his goals are and what he wants out of the game. I understand the difference in culture here but in a culture that prides themselves so very much on respect they need to stop saying such fucking disrespectful things about Naniwa,
Terminal
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom2109 Posts
December 14 2011 09:50 GMT
#38
Good to hear.

Naniwa is a terrible representative for the foreign scene, he may have done nothing wrong, but he's always doing something else wrong. I hope more tournaments catch onto this.
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 09:51:46
December 14 2011 09:50 GMT
#39
He did something that other players did, some of them in games that actually did matter in others standing, just in a more blatant way. He broke no rules and gets ban, the only reason their is support is that many hate naniwa. If this is the case where is hero's ban or more deservedly coca?

Won't be paying for gom stream anymore will just stick to restreams so they get none of my money.
Ignore my opinions I am bad
theBOOCH
Profile Joined November 2010
United States832 Posts
December 14 2011 09:50 GMT
#40
I don't know if Naniwa deserves an official punishment, but he definitely deserves a rebuke from Gom, and the disapproval of the sc2 community. A lot of people stayed up to watch his game vs Nestea, and he wasted all of their time. Not only that, he lowered the entertainment value of Gom TVs production, and showed them a lot of disrespect. If he didn't want to play, he should have just forfeited to show his disapproval. GomTV is completely within their rights to do something, I just hope their punishment isn't too harsh.
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