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namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
December 14 2011 09:54 GMT
#61
On December 14 2011 18:53 Qwix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:50 TheWonderbread wrote:


Start at 18:50.

Makes me sick that everyone is saying that Naniwa is an amateur prize hunter or only in it for the money. It's very clear what his goals are and what he wants out of the game. I understand the difference in culture here but in a culture that prides themselves so very much on respect they need to stop saying such fucking disrespectful things about Naniwa,

Yes, NaNiwa and CatZ make an amazing duo!


Proxy hatches and probe rushes, indeed what a duo.
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Zharak
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden106 Posts
December 14 2011 09:54 GMT
#62
Yeah, won't be paying to watch GOM-tournaments for quite some time, completely lost respect for them after doing this
As a Necrophiliac, I was mostly interested in her future
Shodanss
Profile Joined November 2010
Greece245 Posts
December 14 2011 09:54 GMT
#63
Punishment well deserved...Thank you Gom.
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Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:04:26
December 14 2011 09:54 GMT
#64
People seem extremely confident they know what the GSL rules are, when all that ever gets linked is a long out-of-date document.

Edit: yup here are the current rules: http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/record/leagueInfo.gom
Translation of the flexible applicable clause at the bottom of the page.
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TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
December 14 2011 09:54 GMT
#65
During the Open GSL seasons they had the following rule:

"GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer."

I'm pretty sure that rule still stands - and just isn't mentioned on their (english?) website.

not saying if I agree or disagree with the decision but it's probably that rule they are applying.
ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
December 14 2011 09:54 GMT
#66
this is bullshit. pure and total bullshit. i will admit that what naniwa did was wrong and inappropriate, but this sort of punishment is just way over the top. not happy, GOM, not happy at all. OP please supply an email address where we can write to them to voice our dissatisfaction. this is just not on.
Desert Fox
Profile Joined August 2011
United States352 Posts
December 14 2011 09:55 GMT
#67
On December 14 2011 18:49 lxxpxrd wrote:
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On December 14 2011 18:44 Ruscour wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:43 Veldril wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:40 Archerylady wrote:
how incredibly unprofessional of gom. naniwa didn't break any rules. they should learn from their mistake and change their rules forbidding naniwas behavior, but instead they stoop far lower than naniwa did and do this.

twitter comfirmation: http://twitter.com/#!/Ethan_Ahn/status/146884383549308929


No, this is common for Korea culture. They take respect and pride as much as Japanese. If they don't do this, there is no way they can explain to Korean audiences.

They explain that he did not break any rules and that they will endeavor to make sure situations like this never occur.

You do NOT punish a player who broke no rules because what he did isn't part of their "culture". This is possibly one of the most unprofessional things I have ever heard of a company doing.


This. He broke no rules.

I will not be buying a new GSL ticket for next in protest. Not because it's Naniwa, but because this incredibly unprofessional and bad decision making, blaming someone else for their own lacking format.


Join date: 12/14/11. I find it hard to believe anyone who'd purchase a GSL ticket as a non-Korean wouldn't already be signed up on TL, especially if said person would randomly join it to complain about not purchasing a GSL ticket.

No one cares. There are more people who are happy with this happening than not.
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sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
December 14 2011 09:55 GMT
#68
On December 14 2011 18:44 m0ck wrote:
To me, the worst part of this is the way that GOM completely sidesteps any responsibility. When naniwa and Hero threw their games, it was due to the flawed format of the tournament. Having a bad tournament-system produces perverse incentives. We saw the result of that. GOM fails to acknowledge their own part in what has happened, and instead puts all blame on one player. That is not the way to do it.


Only Naniwa threw games. Hero played as well as he could. He didn't go 0-4 because he threw anything.
PrOmiseCAST
Profile Joined August 2010
United States305 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 09:55:18
December 14 2011 09:55 GMT
#69
A punishment had to happen for NaNiWa's unprofessionalism. It was only a matter of time..

Well played GOM
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Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
December 14 2011 09:55 GMT
#70
It's the New Rule Rule:

Ye shall enforce a new rule only upon things which happen after said rule is created.
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
December 14 2011 09:55 GMT
#71
While I don't agree with gomtvs choice, it is their choice to make he was invited to their tournament and he disrespected it. Those of you saying Bye bye to gomtv, Kespa would have done the same thing, it is only a matter of time before they enter the scene.
Fermats_last
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
England336 Posts
December 14 2011 09:55 GMT
#72
Naniwa was effectively INVITED to the tournament, he didn't qualify. Gom are well within their rights to do this he was disrespectful to viewers and the tournament then still expected to get invited to play in their next tournament?
The road goes ever ever on, down from the door where it began
busbarn
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden984 Posts
December 14 2011 09:55 GMT
#73
That's fucked up. Is there no room for emotion in korean culture? Or is there simply too much emotion?

I'm so glad I didn't buy the annual pass yet. Now I wont.
Sh1FTy_
Profile Joined September 2011
32 Posts
December 14 2011 09:56 GMT
#74
I demand a refund from GOM, not because of Naniwa, but because I took an arrow to the knee.

User was warned for this post
LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
December 14 2011 09:56 GMT
#75
GSL should watch some of Idra's MLG games. They really don't get how much more emotion our players show and how they don't like being toyed with.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
December 14 2011 09:56 GMT
#76
On December 14 2011 18:55 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:44 m0ck wrote:
To me, the worst part of this is the way that GOM completely sidesteps any responsibility. When naniwa and Hero threw their games, it was due to the flawed format of the tournament. Having a bad tournament-system produces perverse incentives. We saw the result of that. GOM fails to acknowledge their own part in what has happened, and instead puts all blame on one player. That is not the way to do it.


Only Naniwa threw games. Hero played as well as he could. He didn't go 0-4 because he threw anything.

Did you see his game against DRG? He clearly did not play to win. The commentators mentioned it, and it was obvious in the reactions in the LR-thread.
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
December 14 2011 09:56 GMT
#77
And think he had just fucking2 gate proxed he would be in code s. lawls. You play to win. Even if it's meaningless. You give it your all.
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Hexxed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States202 Posts
December 14 2011 09:56 GMT
#78
I agree with their decision completely. I do not understand why people are flaming gom for such a respectable idea. They are protecting the integrity of their league. Naniwa did not meet their standard, so he is out.

Great job GomTV! Thank you for punishing a disgraceful action.
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wenyuan
Profile Joined December 2009
United States118 Posts
December 14 2011 09:57 GMT
#79
agree with gom's decision. They need to show players that they have to show their best no matter what.
Liquid'HerO <3
CP-Jun
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia278 Posts
December 14 2011 09:57 GMT
#80
There is a rule about players' behaviours, whether Naniwa broke it or not is up to your discussion

Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours
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