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Pughy
Wales662 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:40 Strivers wrote: link/vid to naniwa's actions that got him banned? why wasn't this added to OP? The footage is copyrighted to Gomtv and you need a premium account to access that paticular VOD. | ||
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
Tbh NAniwa took a bad decision probably due to him being angry and tired from the game and gom not letting him forefit the game. He has gone out and apologized for it and said that he did not want to offend anybody. Still people seem to think its no biggy that GOMTV punish him for being disrespectful and unprofessional but then themself going out and outrigt call him an amateur and that is even more disrespectful and unprofessional. I mean cant people see what a doublestandard it is to punish someone for something that you then do yourself? Also all the koreans that go out on twitter etc and bm him, is that showing respect? Koreans do not live up to their own standard. Naniwa did a misstake that he apologized for, koreans and gom just show how freaking bm they are. | ||
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creepcolony
Germany362 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:47 Pughy wrote: The footage is copyrighted to Gomtv and you need a premium account to access that paticular VOD. There is a GIF someone made in the other thread. Dont exactly know which page but it was around 220 i think. Naniwa is playing one handed, only with his mouse, resting his head in the other hand. He clearly didnt try to win. Noone can seriously question that. edit: @everyone who doesnt get the problem: GOMTV ofc is interested in showing matches to get the audience pleased. If naniwa had played a half hearted 4 gate they had one game more to stream. Essentially. This is ofc understandable. In the end they have a product to sell. Thing is, GOMTV reacted as unprofessional as naniwa in the first place. This is where, at least my, hate comes from. edit: And ofc they can deny a player his place, since its their "product" and they can do whatever the fuck they like with it. | ||
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shahidee44
Singapore4 Posts
No matter which angle you look at it, no matter how much the game didnt seem to matter to anyone, they have the right to do it. This have nothing to do with rules, but everything to do with what GOM have the rights to do. Some say why not ban mule dropping or bitbybit? Well at least they dont attack at 1mins 24 secs. Guys he wasted people's time to watch a 1min game when everyone thought it was gonna be a nice rematch. I support GOMs decision because A they can do it. and B nani did smth wrong and thats that. We dont like what you do, we drop you. Simple. Stop trying to say as if not banning him will be a good idea. Can you come out with a better punishment? I doubt it. | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:49 creepcolony wrote: There is a GIF someone made in the other thread. Dont exactly know which page but it was around 220 i think. Naniwa is playing one handed, only with his mouse, resting his head in the other hand. He clearly didnt try to win. Noone can seriously question that. Because the fact that he selected his probes at the beginning of the game and a-moved them to nestea's base wasnt enought to show that lol? | ||
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:35 Shinta) wrote: This. No more need be said. Until kids learn what professionalism is, eSports will never go mainstream. ESPN and major sports broadcasting networks will be too scared to host eSports on national and international television, because they will do research and see that eSports in a Westerner's mind is nothing but a game for fun that you play with your friends without any necessary level of conduct or sportsmanship. Don't argue "professional athlete's act in unsportsmanlike ways", because the truth is that they do, but the sport is already considered a professional sport in the eyes of the general public. Not only that, but when a professional athlete DOES act out and fucks up, they are fined a SHIT TON OF MONEY. Tens of thousands of dollars worth of fines for making a big mistake on national television. Unless you want NaNiWa to pay a bunch of money in fines to retain his Code S spot, I suggest you leave it as is and learn to deal with the fact that NaNiWa fucked up big time. LOL NO. EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS FALSE INFORMATION. How the hell can you be so stupid... When a team is winning 45-0, it's not frowned upon at all for them to keep trying. THAT'S THEIR ******* JOB YOU *****. They get paid MILLIONS to play a game. and NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO when a team is losing 0-45, they NEVER just take a knee and give up. Do you know why? BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING PAID MILLIONS TO PLAY THE ******* GAME!!!! When players or teams stop trying, THAT'S when they get criticized. Don't be such an ignorant person ffs... Yeah, sure, it's not common knowledge for any NFL-fan at all, I made it all up. I probably wrote this wikipedia-page too right?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_up_the_score | ||
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JujuXG
United States373 Posts
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GettingIt
1656 Posts
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:44 patronage wrote: "During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours" What about dropping mules during the GSL november finals Jakji vs Leenock? That is offending the opponent, no? Winners and losers alike drop mules. When a player loses a game, they drop all of their mules in their enemies army then types gg and leaves. When the winner has like 8 orbitals just sitting because he's so far ahead, he drops mules because it doesn't hurt him strategically or economically. In many cases if the person who got owned doesn't leave, the winner will set the mules to auto repair and use them. It's neither abusing the game nor the opponent. Dropping mules for no reason is like dancing your units. It's a part of the game, and you can do it if you want to, considering it won't affect the outcome of the game. If you're an idiot and drop 9 mules then lose because you don't have enough income, or if you dance your army when your opponent has 2 hidden bases and then he kills you, then you are a fkin' idiot and deserve to lose. You are then forced to lose fair and square, and accept your ridiculous loss. If you see a terran player make a million command centers across the map against a zerg that wins with only t1 units, just to force the zerg player to tech to t2 and build a spire and waste time killing a million command centers across the map, THAT is considered abusive behavior and offensive. | ||
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thegreatpiata
Canada54 Posts
Why was this game even played? It's GOM's fault for setting up the tournament the way they did. Taking Nani's invite away is just a low blow and pretty hypocritical on their part. | ||
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Hakanfrog
Sweden690 Posts
To get someone to play a meaningless match and then get angry when he simply gives it up. What exactly is the difference between this and Naniwa just going for some stupid timing push that he knows will fail? | ||
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Cronki
Canada4 Posts
If people in the world really want Democracy they should learn how it really works and live with the consequences, under any Liberal or Conservative statute the government should act to limit the personal freedoms on individuals when their actions ''Directly'' harm or ''Excessively'' harm other individuals or entities. Naniwa clearly would reduce the profits of GOM but GOM would get these profits through illegitimate means otherwise, so although direct harm is done he is a player playing for himself not GOM, and thus GOM has no claims to making him work for no gain. He also had never dealt any excessive harm to GOM. However GOM revoking Naniwa clearly reduces his direct chance or ''opportunity'' to win, thus they are directly hurting his To everyone making these absurd accusations that Naniwa was at fault, I suggest you learn some more about this and other subjects because you are clearly on the wrong side of the coin. On December 15 2011 02:28 Shinta) wrote: lol. This isn't even a punishment... You give a baby a toy, the baby acts out, you take the toy away from the baby. Sure it's punishment, but it's not like you're giving the toy away so the baby can never play with it again. NaNiWa was going to very nicely be given a free Code S spot, just because GOM thought it would be awesome to have a NaNi vs NesTea rivalry, plus NaNiWa is a really good player. NaNiWa fucked up and completely disgraced himself, his team, and his fans by showing a ridiculously horrible showing, and refusing to play a game against NesTea on live Television. imo he should be banned from GSL for several months, not just stripped of the Code S gift he was going to be given. | ||
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Stipulation
United States587 Posts
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bigbeau
368 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:35 Shinta) wrote: This. No more need be said. Until kids learn what professionalism is, eSports will never go mainstream. ESPN and major sports broadcasting networks will be too scared to host eSports on national and international television, because they will do research and see that eSports in a Westerner's mind is nothing but a game for fun that you play with your friends without any necessary level of conduct or sportsmanship. Don't argue "professional athlete's act in unsportsmanlike ways", because the truth is that they do, but the sport is already considered a professional sport in the eyes of the general public. Not only that, but when a professional athlete DOES act out and fucks up, they are fined a SHIT TON OF MONEY. Tens of thousands of dollars worth of fines for making a big mistake on national television. Unless you want NaNiWa to pay a bunch of money in fines to retain his Code S spot, I suggest you leave it as is and learn to deal with the fact that NaNiWa fucked up big time. LOL NO. EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS FALSE INFORMATION. How the hell can you be so stupid... When a team is winning 45-0, it's not frowned upon at all for them to keep trying. THAT'S THEIR ******* JOB YOU *****. They get paid MILLIONS to play a game. and NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO when a team is losing 0-45, they NEVER just take a knee and give up. Do you know why? BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING PAID MILLIONS TO PLAY THE ******* GAME!!!! When players or teams stop trying, THAT'S when they get criticized. Don't be such an ignorant person ffs... Im sorry, but you clearly dont know how professional sports work. Don't call someone else ignorant when you clearly don't have any clue about what happens at the end of a sports game. If a team is down 0-45 they stop trying. The game is over. The winning team stops trying and, like he said, they are criticized for running up the score if they dont. It's their job to play a game, they lost the game already because its 0-45. Its naniwa's job to play the tournament, he lost the tournament already and trying has no effect on either naniwa or anyone else just like trying has no effect on the 0-45 game. A round robin is comparable to a single game or match, not a season, and there's a point where you stop trying because you know you cant do anything anymore. Do you know what's ruining esports? Shit like this. Not what naniwa did, because that's understandable and shouldnt even have happened because there shouldnt have been a game, but what GOM did. I don't want to try and be a progamer when the main organization can do whatever the fuck they want and punish people that didn't break the rules. | ||
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SmokeyNagata
United States111 Posts
Coca loses his Code S spot. Naniwa throws a game that doesn't matter in a way that is completely obvious. Naniwa loses his Code S spot. Bottom line is, if you're going to throw a game, don't announce it to the world. | ||
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creepcolony
Germany362 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:51 Louuster wrote: Because the fact that he selected his probes at the beginning of the game and a-moved them to nestea's base wasnt enought to show that lol? Well, i deeply apologise for my try to more or less deliver what a fellow TL'er requested. There are plently of people who claim it was a legitimate try from naniwa. If im not mistaken, naniwa himself twittered something along the lines of: "I practiced that probe rush, i was sure i could win". Note: This is not exactly what he said. | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:59 Stipulation wrote: This situation has effect my emotional state for the last day. I really hope that it doesn't just stay like this, or I will end up pretty depressed. haha Hug:D Yea I also been very emotional all day. I got a very bad taste in my mouth atm | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
For relatively young players, who are full time progamers with serious long term goals, eventually these accidents will not matter that much. Their personal growth is likely to reach far higher, and such silly setbacks can't stop that. But to me personally, the punishments have been very unjustified and unreasonable. More the sign of fear and insecurity than maturity. | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
stop asking players to play games for nothing so you can hype up and profit from some meaningless rivalry game (naniwa and nestea). gom just showing their true colors here, and its about greed. | ||
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Taiki
Norway57 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:48 purpose wrote: But still, would people have been so much more happy if naniwa done a 4 gate that was bad executed? Tbh NAniwa took a bad decision probably due to him being angry and tired from the game and gom not letting him forefit the game. He has gone out and apologized for it and said that he did not want to offend anybody. Still people seem to think its no biggy that GOMTV punish him for being disrespectful and unprofessional but then themself going out and outrigt call him an amateur and that is even more disrespectful and unprofessional. I mean cant people see what a doublestandard it is to punish someone for something that you then do yourself? Also all the koreans that go out on twitter etc and bm him, is that showing respect? Koreans do not live up to their own standard. Naniwa did a misstake that he apologized for, koreans and gom just show how freaking bm they are. We wanted Naniwa to try. This was actually a pretty anticipated grudgematch and at least I was looking forward to see some more high level PvZs. As I said earlier, GOM is paying Naniwa, what like 900 dollars? To play out all his matches. The least he can do is act like a professional and play out the game in a proper way. As for GOM calling him an amatuer, I thought it was pretty obvious that he acted pretty amateurishly, even by foreign standards. If they call someone someone a amateur for acting like an amatuer, how is that double standard? Also, people need to learn to differentiate between people making official statements and personal ones on Twitter. | ||
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