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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:04 Maitolasi wrote: He just didn't want to waste the time of people watching. Yeah actually I'm bummed that GSL even broadcast this group at all. What a time sink! In fact, I wish every player in every tourney would worker rush. I'd have days of my life back. | ||
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
I admire Naniwa's drive to get better/win, but you can't be a douche to everyone because of that | ||
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:01 Logros wrote: People are really blowing this way out of proportion. GOM isn't mad. Nestea isn't mad. Naniwa isn't mad. The only person upset about this is you. The game ment nothing so why show your strategies and gameplay to all your future competitors. Yes because the people who were disrespected were the viewers. There is absolutely no reason for the others to get upset (GOM by proxy since it depends on viewers). But the viewers were insulted and they should be. | ||
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:58 1Eris1 wrote: People defending naniwa, can't you understand that a lot of people were really looking forward to naniwa vs nestea and expected a good game? Hell some people might have stayed up all night just to watch this game or even only bought their ticket for this rivalry? And now they feel cheated because naniwa basically gave them a middle finger. Pro players don't play this game for fun, they don't owe the viewers anything. They play to win. That's it. You could use the same argument to pro players that cheese or play "boring" games. Bottom line is: If you choose to commit yourself to follow any kind of competition, you are bound to be disappointed some times. There are no guarantees in sports, you never know what you'll get. That's what makes it so exciting, but at the same time, can be very disappointing. | ||
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Darksteel
Finland319 Posts
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NaquadahEOD
United States11 Posts
If this is behaviour is condoned, what if people just place huge bets against themselves, and go on to lose a match on purpose? I see where you are coming from, but voting against oneself is illegal. So I'm not exactly sure why you are bringing this up as an argument... As it turns out, Nestea was about to 6-pool anyway. That's pretty classy, huh? | ||
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pulperi
Finland87 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:54 Sea_Food wrote: Hello, im a professional gamer. I work 10h a day, 7 days a week to be good. I qualified to this one tournament. I will get to play the best players in the world. ... I lost 3 games because I was a victim of cheap strategies. Thousands of hours of work flushed down the toilet. Then a company comes and says "Hey! How about you play a show match now?" Naniwa really fought his heart out today in the first three matches and fell just a bit short in all of them. I can definitely understand the lack of motivation going in the last set with Nestea when all is already lost. | ||
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DR.Ham
Netherlands621 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:59 sleepingdog wrote: tbh, I cannot for the world of me understand how any sane person could be of a different opinion no professional athlete WHAT-SO-EVER could ever afford to do something like that....ever. Football, Basketball, Tennis, Hockey, it really doesn't matter. If you "throw" a game then all your fans will hate you and your sponsors will leave or even sue you. why would any serious business company invest in something like that? I agree with you, but the comparisons you make are not entirely fair: * Tennis players are out of tourneys when they lose, all their matches count. * Players in sports teams are generally concerned about their individual contracts to their teams, if they act like fools, or play terribly, they don't get re-signed. They are directly protecting their personal interests, which are directly alligned with being professional.  The same isn't entirely true here. Naniwa was only hurting himself from that respect, no one is (or really should be) saying how terrible Quantic, e-sports or the sponsors are. | ||
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
He also showed in his last code a matches that he has no interest in the gsl so give him his wish and ban him from GSL and all gsl partner tournaments aka MLG. maybe then this kid will some day get some manners.. | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:04 ptrpb wrote: So.. what's preventing Naniwa from saying "I thought Nestea was going to 6pool because it was a meaningless match, so I probe rushed to counter it" He's not wrong. except he looked like he cbf playing before the match | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:06 zeru wrote: Compelling argument and explanation. Very nice. Go read JWD's post on the same page if you do not understand why the game mattered. | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:05 setmeal wrote: Naniwa didn't want to play because he got no financial reward out of it. He isn't a crowd pleaser like HuK. He's naniwa. What's so hard to understand about that? So you're saying Naniwa is only playing for money? Shouldn't be a professional gamer then, as 90% of the other jobs out there pays better. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:54 Fubi wrote: The match isn't pointless btw, it was to determine the 4th and 5th place of the group. Yes, you can say that it was same amount of prize money regardless, but as professional players, you don't play simply for money. Therefore, that ranking involved does count as "something" they are playing for. Just like the NBA and NHL regular seasons, teams that know they aren't advancing to the playoffs still play their full games. Just as any professional sports would. Naniwa just simply showed a lack of professionalism and integrity for the sport in general Professional sports play out their full games but they don't play them at 100% intensity like if something was on the line. Hell once a team is guaranteed a playoff spot they sit out their star players the entire game to not risk injury. Naniwa played a "full game" from countdown to GG, it just happened to be an extremely short game. What are you gonna do? Force him to play a 30 minute macro game after he feels like shit going 0-3? Of course not. I'm sure Naniwa tried to tell GOM that he didn't want to play the game. They told him he had to, and so he played a gamed. A shitty game, but a game nonetheless. You want to hold it against Naniwa for doing what he did, you are well within your right as a spectator/fan. He just felt like there was nothing to play for and thus you can't force motivation onto someone. I was looking forward to the rematch as well, it's a pity that there wasn't anything on the line for Naniwa to be motivated to take the game seriously. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
He was obviously pissed off with his performance. This is no different than players not showing up for the rest of their games because they already got knocked out (ToD, IdrA, etc.). Yes, it's televised so people will blow it out of proportion more. -_- Everyone already knows Johan is a loose cannon and there are plenty of players who fall in the same boat. | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
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EvilSky
Czech Republic548 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:04 pezit wrote: Naniwa doesn't play to make you happy which he has made clear several times before. Blame the tournament for having a setup that can create these situations, you wouldn't get a good performance out of any sportsman after what naniwa went though. He was probably extremely disappointed and angry after those losses and they want him to play a showmatch? PLEASE. If he can't deal with a situation like that, he shouldn't join the tournament. These situations happen in all other sports, you don't see a soccer team just kicking the ball into their own goal over and over just because they can't get out of the group stage. | ||
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Bojas
Netherlands2397 Posts
No I am a bit sad though he grows an army of haters just because he can't handle his emotions. I like Nani allot, his attitude his way of playing since TSL3. But he really needs to grow up before he has no fans left. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4923 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:05 Keone wrote: Guys, let's phrase this with an analogy that I think would make things a lot clearer. In the NFL, if you're the Miami dolphins who are 0-13 in the season, and there's no way in hell you'll be getting to the postseason... Do you just show up to the game, and walk off the match? F*CK NO! There are so many fans who came out to watch you play, and your opponent has also come out to play you, along with the entire organization who has organized everything for you. Sure it's somewhat different because Naniwa played several matches already, but even so, the principle remains the same: people have paid and sponsors have paid and teams have paid to watch you play. Not to be a whiny bitch and waste everyone's time. There are countless examples of meaningless games not taken seriously by professional teams, and the fans are usually under no illusion about it. | ||
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