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On December 13 2011 21:58 theBALLS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:56 NaquadahEOD wrote:
Stop making this a bigger deal than it is. Jesus Christ...
The game had no meaning whatsoever. For the people who claimed that it was as bad as match fixing, how do you figure that?
I'd love to know how your mind works, or doesn't. Please check your own mind before questioning those of others. If this is behaviour is condoned, what if people just place huge bets against themselves, and go on to lose a match on purpose? Please put some thought before making such posts.
Who the fuck would be dumb enough to bet on a game that doesn't matter LOL
Please put some thought before making such posts.
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On December 13 2011 21:51 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +@MVPGuineapig: There's so many people who can't compete in leagues even if they want to.. are you mocking them? This is what makes me mad about the situation. There are HUNDREDS of Korean players who would have loved to play in this gigantic tournament. It gives you exposure to thousands and thousands of new viewers. It's disrespectful to the players who aren't able to go to MLG and get invited over and over into A/S. But if he isn't disciplined, it's no biggie. I can see Mr. Chae being very harsh or not doing anything at all.
Yea there's tons of really good Koreans trying their hardest to get through an insanely hard qualifier to get into code A and then go through an insanely hard tournament to even get close to being able to play in this. Yet foreigners are being almost gifted spots and for that you have to respect this. Koreans know it's hard to sacrifice and go live in korea to compete in the GSL so they give foreigners some help in this matter. To disrespect their kindness like this is just plain disgusting.
If Naniwa had won the game would we not be talking about how good he is and just got unlucky in his previous games? How he beat one of the best Zerg players in the world in a really big tournament? Games don't just have meaning because you can progress in a tournament, you can progress in stature from things that don't matter in tournaments.
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This is an issue with the format of this tournament, not the players.
Bo1 tournament's just scream for cheese and shoudn't be used, ontop of that meaningless matches like this just ask for shenanigans like this
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I'm not really upset nor do I think Naniwa deserves a penalty for his game against Nestea. However, that wont stop me from saying that it was disrespectful to Gomtv, his team, fellow players, his opponents, and his fans. There's no point in arguing otherwise - bottom line is that he was disrespectful.
Now whether you find it funny, okay, indifferent or it makes you boil inside, that's up to you guys to figure out, but don't try to say that his behavior was professional or respectful.
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I don't understand what all the Naniwa outrage is about. Naniwa is known for being respectful and over-all good mannered, he just got frustrated because he lost. It only happened once, it's perfectly understandable and this is clearly not representative of his professionalism and manners.
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Doesn't anyone see how much publicity this one game created?
Imagine Naniwa playing a standard game and losing. Would be quite exciting, but well...
Imagine how much money an interviewer would pay to interview him about this game, exclusivly.
Now think about the hype before the next game were Naniwa and NesteA palyagainst each other.
Perfect publicity imo.
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On December 13 2011 21:52 shabby wrote:
I see many of you arguing that the game was pointless to play and GOMTVs fault. Well not exactly. GOMTV sells tickets and earns money because they can advertise with 10 games per group, and that every player will face every player for the viewers amusement. The game was not pointless, it was scheduled.
The same logic could be applied to Arena of Legends. Should we sue GOM for the lost matches?
If Gom hadn't allowed the match to happen people would've complained about as much as AoL and let it go.
Naniwa shouldn't have done a probe rush but the only significance of the game was seeing whether or not Nestea could overcome Naniwa's play style.
For people who cared about this they were certainly cheated out of what could've been a good game.
Naniwa also disrespected Gom since in every tournament before this they don't allow matches when the outcome of the standings are already known and he pissed all over the opportunity they gave him to show off what he can still do in spite of his past losses.
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On December 13 2011 21:59 DeekZ wrote:
Some really crazy people showing there crazyness over this. Who cares if he threw away a game that didn't matter.. he doesn't deserve to be punished at all for it.. and it's fucking insane to even suggest he lose his Code S spot over it. People seem to think that pro-gamers only play for the entertainment of us. This is a job for them, they live off this game.
If your boss told you to work an extra hour today for no extra pay and no added benefits but you can skip it if you want. What would you do?
Following in Naniwa's footsteps, I would stay an extra hour and do a half ass job.
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On December 13 2011 21:51 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +@MVPGuineapig: There's so many people who can't compete in leagues even if they want to.. are you mocking them? This is what makes me mad about the situation. There are HUNDREDS of Korean players who would have loved to play in this gigantic tournament. It gives you exposure to thousands and thousands of new viewers. It's disrespectful to the players who aren't able to go to MLG and get invited over and over into A/S. But if he isn't disciplined, it's no biggie. I can see Mr. Chae being very harsh or not doing anything at all.
The thing about mentioning OTHER players being there "Instead" of nani, is that you're forgetting the other 3 games that we're absolutely fantastic.
YES, it was unprofessional, and he probably should apologise etc, but alot of people are overreacting, i mean, he still typed "gg" right?
I dont think he went into the booth with some malicious intent to disrespect people, it was naniwa getting through a meaningless game as quickly as he could, which was done in a questionable manner, if you ask him i doubt he'll say it was meant to be disrespectful to Anyone.
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It doesn't fxxxing matter if the match wouldn't make any difference for Naniwa. It's called professionalism. GOMTV and viewers are not paying to watch this crap. If he had at least a bit of respect for his opponent Nestea, his fans, and any other professional gamers. He simply shouldn't have done it.
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People are really blowing this way out of proportion. GOM isn't mad. Nestea isn't mad. Naniwa isn't mad. The only person upset about this is you. The game ment nothing so why show your strategies and gameplay to all your future competitors.
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On December 13 2011 21:58 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:52 theBALLS wrote:On December 13 2011 21:49 grobo wrote:On December 13 2011 21:48 theBALLS wrote:On December 13 2011 21:47 MWY wrote:
There were so many great matches in this group already that i didnt really care.. Nestea and Nani were both out before so it didn't matter at all. Chill out =) He even gg'd and didnt do any thumbs down stuff so whatever.. Dude. Do you think that was even a manner GG? I'm sure you know better than the rest of us including Naniwa? Bro, I understand that you're swedish like Naniwa. However this time around you have to take the plank out of your eye and look at things objectively. How could you even argue that what Naniwa did wasn't wrong? You do it in your own country, fine. You don't step into a neighbour's house and take a dump on his carpet, say "nice of you to have me" and walk out. Seriously, it's quite exasperating to see how people could argue for Naniwa. First of all, i'm not your bro. Did he break any rules? no. You don't know a damn thing about how me or other swedes do things here, so stop with the nonsense. And what the FUCK does that parable have to do with anything? it's not even remotely similar to this situation.
It is similar. In korea, there is a different set of rules for what constitutes BM, which is why BM is such a big deal in SC2 in the west. If I don't say gg in a tournament in SC2, that's a big deal. If I tell a team to get lost in WoW Area or something, I doubt anyone would care at all.
According to the korean ideas, what naniwa did was very disrespectful and he should know this, yet he decided to do it anyway. That's just a complete disregard for the koreans way of seeing it, showing no respect for their culture when in it.
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On December 13 2011 22:01 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:58 1Eris1 wrote:
People defending naniwa, can't you understand that a lot of people were really looking forward to naniwa vs nestea and expected a good game? Hell some people might have stayed up all night just to watch this game or even only bought their ticket for this rivalry? And now they feel cheated because naniwa basically gave them a middle finger. You could make the same argument for a lot of boring all ins / cheeses. Especially during the 1-1-1 season. Terran player x did 1-1-1, viewer now feels cheated becuase x basically gave them a middle finger.
Except that is called playing to win. You cannot possible argue that what Naniwa did was playing to win.
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It was basically a showmatch. It was bad mannered by Naniwa, and I definitely do not agree with his choice, but it's not the end of the world.
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Stephano 6pooled cloud twice in a row when he was 0-3 in a game that actually mattered. Nobody gave a shit.
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On December 13 2011 22:01 Logros wrote:
Naniwa isn't mad.
Hahaha, I think you got this one way wrong, pal. 
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On December 13 2011 21:57 Testuser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:41 grobo wrote:On December 13 2011 21:39 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Should be treated the same way as slayersCoca... A useless match that means nothing except pride is the same as a game that decide who gets a Code A spot? The game didn't decide who got the Code A. It decided who might have a chance to advance in the weekly tournament, which if he eventually won, would score him a spot in Code A. So he still needed to win like 5-6 bo3's I guess. I get your point, but it's misleading.
No, wrong. Even if the won the whole weekly tournament, there would be no Code A spot. It was confirmed by Mr.Chae himself, please stop spreading misinformation.
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I think a part of the problem is the format of this tournament. Every game should have a tangible reward in a competitive tournament. It's the reason why GSL has reformatted the group plays, so there would be no 'pointless games'.
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On December 13 2011 22:00 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:58 theBALLS wrote:On December 13 2011 21:56 NaquadahEOD wrote:
Stop making this a bigger deal than it is. Jesus Christ...
The game had no meaning whatsoever. For the people who claimed that it was as bad as match fixing, how do you figure that?
I'd love to know how your mind works, or doesn't. Please check your own mind before questioning those of others. If this is behaviour is condoned, what if people just place huge bets against themselves, and go on to lose a match on purpose? Please put some thought before making such posts. Who the fuck would be dumb enough to bet on a game that doesn't matter LOL Please put some thought before making such posts.
I'm really sorry, I hate arguing with internet people but sometimes people can be really silly.
I don't know why you are unable to fathom the words "place huge bets against themselves".
I'm sorry you felt offended by my posts, but like you, everyone is entitled to his opinion 
Have a nice day, sir.
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