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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:06 BadgerWatch wrote: You should probably note that the game that Coca threw was game 2 in the Ro32 for a tournament that qualified you for the tournament that you had to win to get the Code A spot. Over dramatised much? It's enough for it not to be the same thing. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
Nonetheless though, As the old saying goes, "When in Rome do as the Romans do"...The twitter responses from the Korean community have been so harsh, particularly the one by team MVP Naniwa has been getting by with his foot in the mouth, but now hes gone and shot it  I'll support him, I'm a fan after all  But hes going to need a WHOLE lot more than just fan support to fix this situation | ||
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Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:06 JWD wrote: Yeah actually I'm bummed that GSL even broadcast this group at all. What a fucking time sink! In fact, I wish every player in every tourney would worker rush. I'd have days of my life back. I tuned in to watch a tournament. Not random games. Glad that nani made the down time shorter. | ||
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:06 labbe wrote: Pro players don't play this game for fun, they don't owe the viewers anything. They play to win. That's it. You could use the same argument to pro players that cheese or play "boring" games. Bottom line is: If you choose to commit yourself to follow any kind of competition, you are bound to be disappointed some times. There are no guarantees in sports, you never know what you'll get. That's what makes it so exciting, but at the same time, can be very disappointing. First, Boring games and Cheeses are different than throwing a game. Second, the players don't owe anything to the viewers ? Without viewers there's no industry and progaming does not exist. | ||
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Remb
United States190 Posts
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coko
United Kingdom570 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:03 JWD wrote: I don't understand why so many posters in this thread think that this game didn't "count for anything" just because it had no bearing on who advances from the group. Advancing in tournaments is not the only thing that pro players are paid to do. This game was a big opportunity:
A pretty fair assessment, no? | ||
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lFrost
United States295 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:00 papaz wrote: Nani is his own boss. He doesn't owe you or anyone anything else. He plays SC2 for a living and he decides when he feels like playing since it will in the long run affect no one but him. He doesn't hurt or kill e-sport. He doesn't ruin the Blizzard Cup. He chose not to play the last game, end of story. No need to get all worked up about it. That's the problem, Naniwa only plays for team Naniwa. | ||
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eScaper-tsunami
Canada313 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:03 Starcraftmazter wrote: 6 probe counters 6 pool. Everyone seriously needs to get over it. No... first naniwa went 7 probe 2nd ... cancel pool make drones 9 drone vs 7 probe... geez | ||
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Greggle
United States1131 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:06 zeru wrote: Compelling argument and explanation. Very nice. It's been explained many times in the thread. I'm on the "get over it" side though. The set shouldn't have even been played, so I don't really care. | ||
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nekoconeco
Australia359 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:43 theBALLS wrote: Manners aside, naniwa should be punished with at least a ban, maybe even a fine. This is as bad as match fixing goes. If this goes unpunished: In future anyone could just place a huge bet against yourself, lose game on purpose, reap the rewards. Umm overreaction much, you can' t make a bet against yourself for that reason and even if you did you wouldn't want to lose so obviously. Sigh this has been done to death already in the LR thread anyway. | ||
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SenorChang
Australia4730 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:06 JWD wrote: Yeah actually I'm bummed that GSL even broadcast this group at all. What a fucking time sink! In fact, I wish every player in every tourney would worker rush. I'd have days of my life back. I'm sorry but that is really wrong. The other games had an affect on the tournament. Naniwa Vs Nestea had no affect on what would happen further in the group and therefore the tournament. There was no need to play the game, the results affected no seedings, standings or prize money. edit: even in previous Up/Down matches GOM has forgone playing matches after players had failed to qualify if they hadn't won enough games, don't really see the difference. | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:06 zeru wrote: Compelling argument and explanation. Very nice. Except for the fact that the post DIRECTLY above yours explains it perfectly, plus the fact that I myself made another explaination 1-2 pages back... Would you prefer me copy and pasting that to each and every person that think it doesn't matter? | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:06 NaquadahEOD wrote: I see where you are coming from, but voting against oneself is illegal. So I'm not exactly sure why you are bringing this up as an argument... As it turns out, Nestea was about to 6-pool anyway. That's pretty classy, huh? Of course it's illegal... but it's definitely not hard at all to do it (ask a friend, etc) But whatever it is, this is a minor point from me, the kicker (I'm Asian as well) is the insult to the Koreans who are a proud and honest people. They take moral virtues very seriously, and Naniwa just completely disrespected their culture. | ||
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hYdrA-MeNo
Mexico344 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:37 shabby wrote: THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR [GSL] BLIZZARD CUP GROUP B. DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE GAMES OR IF YOU CARE. So basically what happened was that NesTea and Naniwa were both down 0-3 in the group, and Naniwa was -probably- on a bit of a tilt after losing those games. So when the match started he boxed his probes and amoved across the map. My personal opinion is that it is purposely throwing a match. Every progamer knows that the opponent will have more workers once you get there, and you consequently have no chance of winning, therefore throwing the match. Now for the tournament results it doesn't matter, but for his team, his fans, his reputation, the paying viewers and the GSL in general it actually does. Throwing matches on purpose is not something that should be treated lightly. No one is in charge of naniwa, but it is natural that his fans are upset, his team are upset with the bad PR and that GSL are upset because of him refusing to play after being invited due to previous victories to such a prestigous tournament that they dump a lot of money into. What are your thoughts on the issue? yeah that was bad mannered he should of just attacked his nexus lol | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:04 pezit wrote: Naniwa doesn't play to make you happy which he has made clear several times before. Blame the tournament for having a setup that can create these situations, you wouldn't get a good performance out of any sportsman after what naniwa went though. He was probably extremely disappointed and angry after those losses and they want him to play a showmatch? PLEASE. A showmatch? He was gifted a spot into a prestigious tournament because gomtv is nice and basically told them to fuck off. If people aren't gonna tAke the tournament seriously then shouldn't accept the invitation. | ||
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KunFuSion
United States189 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:05 Keone wrote: Guys, let's phrase this with an analogy that I think would make things a lot clearer. In the NFL, if you're the Miami dolphins who are 0-13 in the season, and there's no way in hell you'll be getting to the postseason... Do you just show up to the game, and walk off the match? F*CK NO! There are so many fans who came out to watch you play, and your opponent has also come out to play you, along with the entire organization who has organized everything for you. Sure it's somewhat different because Naniwa played several matches already, but even so, the principle remains the same: people have paid and sponsors have paid and teams have paid to watch you play. Not to be a whiny bitch and waste everyone's time. Though, it's the Indianapolis Colts this season, this is a perfect analogy. Couldn't have said this any better myself. Naniwa should be punished, but I don't believe much can be done. A temp ban from GSL could be the only thing. I really don't think it's enough, though. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
Rubs me the same way as Idra does with his failure mindset which is all that's between players of that calibre and more titles. Same sort of thing imo. Most players would relish the chance to even play Nestea on the ladder and test their mettle against him, but Naniwa basically makes a farce of it because "he's already lost". Money isn't the only thing you lose by doing this in a game. Self-respect goes a long way. I'd be shocked if Naniwa isn't beating himself up over everything he did today, does he think losing to Nestea would have left a less sour note in his mouth than throwing the towel? Don't know if I'm making a mountain out of a molehill, but psychologically Naniwa isn't going to help himself if he keeps acting like this. And it's annoying, because the man has talent. | ||
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Sneakyz
Sweden2361 Posts
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