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Please keep this thread on topic. It's ok to discuss the professionalism of what happened, but don't turn this thread into personal attacks or it will be closed.
Starcraftmazter
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia71 Posts
December 13 2011 13:11 GMT
#201
On December 13 2011 22:08 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 22:03 Starcraftmazter wrote:
6 probe counters 6 pool.

Everyone seriously needs to get over it.

No... first naniwa went 7 probe
2nd ... cancel pool make drones 9 drone vs 7 probe... geez


Probes regenerate shields faster than drones regenerate health.
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
December 13 2011 13:12 GMT
#202
On December 13 2011 22:03 JWD wrote:
I don't understand why so many posters in this thread think that this game didn't "count for anything" just because it had no bearing on who advances from the group. Advancing in tournaments is not the only thing that pro players are paid to do. This game was a big opportunity:
  • for NaNi, Quantic, and the foreign scene to show their stuff, generally
  • for NaNi to gain even more notoriety through his rivalry with NesTea (imagine what a nice win + ceremony would have done)
  • for Quantic to get its sponsors in front of thousands of viewers over 25 minutes of gameplay
  • for NaNi and Quantic to win over new fans, who will increase the worth of player and team
  • for NaNi and Quantic to impress GOM, who might then invite/welcome NaNi/foreigners/Quantic players to many more huge events in Korea
  • for NaNi to gain stage experience against a top top pro
  • for NaNi to better understand NesTea, in case they meet again
I'm sure there's more I'm missing. The point is that it's silly to think that there was nothing on the line here solely because prize money/tournament placing was not in question.


  • Naniwa was already tilting, he wouldn't have played his best and it wouldn't have been a good reflection of his skill
  • This makes the rivalry with Nestea even greater, it accomplished the same thing
  • Quantic doesn't get its sponsors in front of thousands of viewers over 25 minutes. They give their sponsors airtime through jerseys and the name Quantic Gaming(both of which were used the same amount of times as a regular game). He actually doesn't even have a jersey yet.
  • Naniwa going 0-3/0-4/1-3 isn't going to make a big difference in fans gained/lost.
  • Why would Naniwa playing Nestea impress GOM?
  • Nani has already beat Nestea and has plenty of stage experience. I don't think thats a problem.
  • This game would also give Nestea a better understanding of Naniwa, so it works against him as well.
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Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
December 13 2011 13:12 GMT
#203
I hope GOM punishes this behavior.
Nani doesn't understand his obligations towards the people / companies that make his "dream" possible.
Last couple weeks he took multiple arrows in his already damaged knee, he completely ruins his career.
wat
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 13 2011 13:12 GMT
#204
Johan got what he wanted. All you guys are talking about him as we speak when it's really no different than what a lot of players have all done before. The only reason it gets more attention is because a) its nani b) it was televised.
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
December 13 2011 13:12 GMT
#205
On December 13 2011 22:10 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 22:04 pezit wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:58 1Eris1 wrote:
People defending naniwa, can't you understand that a lot of people were really looking forward to naniwa vs nestea and expected a good game? Hell some people might have stayed up all night just to watch this game or even only bought their ticket for this rivalry? And now they feel cheated because naniwa basically gave them a middle finger.


Naniwa doesn't play to make you happy which he has made clear several times before. Blame the tournament for having a setup that can create these situations, you wouldn't get a good performance out of any sportsman after what naniwa went though. He was probably extremely disappointed and angry after those losses and they want him to play a showmatch? PLEASE.

A showmatch? He was gifted a spot into a prestigious tournament because gomtv is nice and basically told them to fuck off. If people aren't gonna tAke the tournament seriously then shouldn't accept the invitation.

He wasn't gifted shit. He earned his second place at MLG and because of that he got an invite. If it was providence first place only and they invited nani after then sure.
MBAACC | SG | shit at fighting games
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
December 13 2011 13:12 GMT
#206
As much as I feel for his predicament, Naniwa could have shown us that despite this crushing odds, he still can put up a fight. He hurts his image by continually doing these sorts of things. This is why I support a player such as Boxer, a person who doesn't give up, even with terrible odds, and brings joy to his fans.
I post only when my brain works.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
December 13 2011 13:12 GMT
#207
On December 13 2011 22:08 lFrost wrote:
you guys have to realize that there are some people out there that only play to win tournaments and money and whos sole purpose is to get better at the game. anything outside of that does not matter to them. do you think naniwa asked to have fans? im pretty sure he barely cares at all for what the community thinks of him because it has no bearing on his main goal. he does not owe the organization (gom) anything, because he joined the tournament to win it period - not to promote the tournament or make it better by playing entertaining matches. he has no obligations to anyone. what he did was disrespectful as a whole, but if you think about the kind of person he is then you will see why it can be justifiable and reasonable

Of course has obligations, wtf? GLHF playing for yourself, he would be nothing today without sponsors/teams/fans.
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
December 13 2011 13:12 GMT
#208
Naniwa gained a lot of respect from me, he stood up to the system and that takes a lot of courage, why does GOM make players play when they have already lost.. Its a real kick to their dignity by making them play a game, especially since Naniwa was 0-4.

Also how is what he did any different from MMA 2 rax all inning Leenock on their first match.. if Naniwa robbed the fans of a match, then MMA did the same. People please stop with the double standards, and leave players be..
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
December 13 2011 13:13 GMT
#209
It's funny that Naniwa gave everything in the previous 3 games and try to make an argument that he did not entertain them.
SonOfMKP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States30 Posts
December 13 2011 13:13 GMT
#210
On December 13 2011 22:12 Kiyo. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 22:03 JWD wrote:
I don't understand why so many posters in this thread think that this game didn't "count for anything" just because it had no bearing on who advances from the group. Advancing in tournaments is not the only thing that pro players are paid to do. This game was a big opportunity:
  • for NaNi, Quantic, and the foreign scene to show their stuff, generally
  • for NaNi to gain even more notoriety through his rivalry with NesTea (imagine what a nice win + ceremony would have done)
  • for Quantic to get its sponsors in front of thousands of viewers over 25 minutes of gameplay
  • for NaNi and Quantic to win over new fans, who will increase the worth of player and team
  • for NaNi and Quantic to impress GOM, who might then invite/welcome NaNi/foreigners/Quantic players to many more huge events in Korea
  • for NaNi to gain stage experience against a top top pro
  • for NaNi to better understand NesTea, in case they meet again
I'm sure there's more I'm missing. The point is that it's silly to think that there was nothing on the line here solely because prize money/tournament placing was not in question.


  • Naniwa was already tilting, he wouldn't have played his best and it wouldn't have been a good reflection of his skill
  • This makes the rivalry with Nestea even greater, it accomplished the same thing
  • Quantic doesn't get its sponsors in front of thousands of viewers over 25 minutes. They give their sponsors airtime through jerseys and the name Quantic Gaming(both of which were used the same amount of times as a regular game). He actually doesn't even have a jersey yet.
  • Naniwa going 0-3/0-4/1-3 isn't going to make a big difference in fans gained/lost.
  • Why would Naniwa playing Nestea impress GOM?
  • Nani has already beat Nestea and has plenty of stage experience. I don't think thats a problem.
  • This game would also give Nestea a better understanding of Naniwa, so it works against him as well.


Thank you.
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
December 13 2011 13:13 GMT
#211
I'm not sure about the rules of this tournament but in mainstream sports, there has been cases when teams/players didn't play seriously and have been fined for that. It's for bad conduct and unprofessionalism. This shit --> bad for spectator --> bad for the tournament's rep --> bad sponsors --> hurting ESPORTS
I hate all this singing
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
December 13 2011 13:13 GMT
#212
On December 13 2011 22:11 Starcraftmazter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 22:08 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On December 13 2011 22:03 Starcraftmazter wrote:
6 probe counters 6 pool.

Everyone seriously needs to get over it.

No... first naniwa went 7 probe
2nd ... cancel pool make drones 9 drone vs 7 probe... geez


Probes regenerate shields faster than drones regenerate health.


Probes don't generate shields at all when they're attacked. Why are you talking when you have no clue?

Naniwa is a great player, but he deserves no respect because of his acts.
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
December 13 2011 13:14 GMT
#213
On December 13 2011 22:12 Kiyo. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 22:03 JWD wrote:
I don't understand why so many posters in this thread think that this game didn't "count for anything" just because it had no bearing on who advances from the group. Advancing in tournaments is not the only thing that pro players are paid to do. This game was a big opportunity:
  • for NaNi, Quantic, and the foreign scene to show their stuff, generally
  • for NaNi to gain even more notoriety through his rivalry with NesTea (imagine what a nice win + ceremony would have done)
  • for Quantic to get its sponsors in front of thousands of viewers over 25 minutes of gameplay
  • for NaNi and Quantic to win over new fans, who will increase the worth of player and team
  • for NaNi and Quantic to impress GOM, who might then invite/welcome NaNi/foreigners/Quantic players to many more huge events in Korea
  • for NaNi to gain stage experience against a top top pro
  • for NaNi to better understand NesTea, in case they meet again
I'm sure there's more I'm missing. The point is that it's silly to think that there was nothing on the line here solely because prize money/tournament placing was not in question.

He actually doesn't even have a jersey yet.

He did wear a quantic shirt, actually.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
December 13 2011 13:14 GMT
#214
On December 13 2011 22:12 Elefanto wrote:
I hope GOM punishes this behavior.
Nani doesn't understand his obligations towards the people / companies that make his "dream" possible.
Last couple weeks he took multiple arrows in his already damaged knee, he completely ruins his career.

Just had to be done, didn't it? :D
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
December 13 2011 13:14 GMT
#215
Bummed me out, wish it hadn't happened and I'm fine with whatever comes from it. KeSPA would have banned him that's for sure, however GOM has always been more lenient. Don't think I'll be rooting for Naniwa anytime soon though.
Taengoo ♥
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
December 13 2011 13:14 GMT
#216
On December 13 2011 22:12 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Naniwa gained a lot of respect from me, he stood up to the system and that takes a lot of courage, why does GOM make players play when they have already lost.. Its a real kick to their dignity by making them play a game, especially since Naniwa was 0-4.

Also how is what he did any different from MMA 2 rax all inning Leenock on their first match.. if Naniwa robbed the fans of a match, then MMA did the same. People please stop with the double standards, and leave players be..

When you enters a tournament, either you submit yourself to the rules and respect them, or you refuse to participe in that tournament.
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
DR.Ham
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands621 Posts
December 13 2011 13:14 GMT
#217
On December 13 2011 22:11 Sneakyz wrote:
What bothers me is some people saying he should atleast have 2gate proxy or 4gated... So it doesn't matter if he doesn't care about the game as long as it's a slightly longer game?


I completely agree with this, more suspension of dis-belief is better somehow?
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
December 13 2011 13:14 GMT
#218
On December 13 2011 22:10 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 22:04 pezit wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:58 1Eris1 wrote:
People defending naniwa, can't you understand that a lot of people were really looking forward to naniwa vs nestea and expected a good game? Hell some people might have stayed up all night just to watch this game or even only bought their ticket for this rivalry? And now they feel cheated because naniwa basically gave them a middle finger.


Naniwa doesn't play to make you happy which he has made clear several times before. Blame the tournament for having a setup that can create these situations, you wouldn't get a good performance out of any sportsman after what naniwa went though. He was probably extremely disappointed and angry after those losses and they want him to play a showmatch? PLEASE.

A showmatch? He was gifted a spot into a prestigious tournament because gomtv is nice and basically told them to fuck off. If people aren't gonna tAke the tournament seriously then shouldn't accept the invitation.


He wasn't invited... he qualified via the qualification process GOM laid out for this tournament months ago.
KT Rolster & StarTale <3 | twitter.com/RayFoxII - twitch.tv/RayFoxII
isleyofthenorth
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Austria894 Posts
December 13 2011 13:14 GMT
#219
what a disgrace. reminded me of the drewbie vs euro showmatch. but that was only a showmatch so who cares.
crawlingchaos
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2025 Posts
December 13 2011 13:14 GMT
#220
Meh, he should've gone all out and just a-moved then naniwalked out of the studio.
They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you've gotta ride it well, the world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams, it's heaven and hell, oh well.
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