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On December 13 2011 22:17 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 22:14 Kiyo. wrote:On December 13 2011 22:10 1Eris1 wrote:On December 13 2011 22:04 pezit wrote:On December 13 2011 21:58 1Eris1 wrote:
People defending naniwa, can't you understand that a lot of people were really looking forward to naniwa vs nestea and expected a good game? Hell some people might have stayed up all night just to watch this game or even only bought their ticket for this rivalry? And now they feel cheated because naniwa basically gave them a middle finger. Naniwa doesn't play to make you happy which he has made clear several times before. Blame the tournament for having a setup that can create these situations, you wouldn't get a good performance out of any sportsman after what naniwa went though. He was probably extremely disappointed and angry after those losses and they want him to play a showmatch? PLEASE. A showmatch? He was gifted a spot into a prestigious tournament because gomtv is nice and basically told them to fuck off. If people aren't gonna tAke the tournament seriously then shouldn't accept the invitation. He wasn't invited... he qualified via the qualification process GOM laid out for this tournament months ago. they did that because they wanted to give the foreigner a chance rather than having go through bunch of koreans
Wrongest man in wrong town
Before MLG Providence even happened the announcement was made that top 2 of providence would qualify for the Blizzard cup. Nani happened to take 2nd and got it, Nothing to do with "giving foreigners a chance"
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It makes him look like a douche. He brags about beating Nestea and then when he doesnt feel well he throws the game away.
What if Nestea did feel terrible when he played Naniwa before and would have just thrown the games away instead of at least trying? Naniwa would have never gotten the credit for beating Nestea. It also shows how little respect Nani has for his opponents. I dont really understand how anyone can cheer for this "player".
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On December 13 2011 21:58 1Eris1 wrote:
People defending naniwa, can't you understand that a lot of people were really looking forward to naniwa vs nestea and expected a good game? Hell some people might have stayed up all night just to watch this game or even only bought their ticket for this rivalry? And now they feel cheated because naniwa basically gave them a middle finger.
No I honestly can't understand how you expected a good game when they were both 0-3.
No1 would wanna play a proper game then.
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On December 13 2011 22:18 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 22:17 theBALLS wrote:
i actually don't understand how people can compare his probe rush to a 6pool...? 6pool is a legit strategy that could actually work. 6 pool vs terran works as much as probe rush works against zergs. probably.
6 pool vs Naniwa who FFE most of the time could have works fine
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lol @ people saying it has no meaning so who cares. That's not the point.
Some people paid money to watch a tournament with good games, when you get some selfish egotistical kid who doesn't give a shit about his own fans, spectators, organizers and other players it's just a disgrace and so unprofessional. If he doesn't want to play he can forfeit without wasting everyone's time. Whether nani likes it or not, this match had a storyline and there were people who were excited to see it.
I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed that there are some individuals out there who don't understand why it's a good thing to think about other people for a change.
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@Naniwa supports of this incident
I understand that this is a common thing that occurred before and there's been most scarring incidents (namely ByuN/CoCa), but his actions doesnt make him look any bad ass or justifiable in any part even if the tournament was over for him at that point...
he has proven nothing more than that he can't live up to be a class-act and his possibly trolling....while its funny to some people, it's not going to do well for his SC2 career with the sort of reputation he built tonight.
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On December 13 2011 22:18 labbe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 22:16 aquanda wrote:
Imagine you paid to go to an olympic soccer game. Neither team had any chance of advancing into the playoffs. They both just walked onto the field, kicked the ball into play, and walked off. Would you be pretty angry? I think so. I paid to see the Blizzard Cup, and the fact that Naniwa spat in my face because of his pride is disgusting. I always thought his attitude was pretty bad, but this brings it to another level. While before I wasn't a fan, now I am an anti-fan. lol this happens all thie time in proffessional fotball. In matches that don't mean anything they will not use their star players. And the games are generally very lame and boring, as no one is giving it their very best.
gl convincing anyone who actually watches sports with your poor example.
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On December 13 2011 22:19 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 22:16 NaquadahEOD wrote:On December 13 2011 22:09 theBALLS wrote:On December 13 2011 22:06 NaquadahEOD wrote:
If this is behaviour is condoned, what if people just place huge bets against themselves, and go on to lose a match on purpose?
I see where you are coming from, but voting against oneself is illegal. So I'm not exactly sure why you are bringing this up as an argument... As it turns out, Nestea was about to 6-pool anyway. That's pretty classy, huh? Of course it's illegal... but it's definitely not hard at all to do it (ask a friend, etc) But whatever it is, this is a minor point from me, the kicker (I'm Asian as well) is the insult to the Koreans who are a proud and honest people. They take moral virtues very seriously, and Naniwa just completely disrespected their culture. That's retarded. Korean culture disapproves of probe rushing in useless games, but approves of 6-pooling in useless games. Sure, why not. Korean's certainly approve of cheesing. That's the only way Leenock can win, and everybody is jumping on the Leenock bandwagon now. Your creating issues where issues don't exist. There isn't an issue with professional SC2 players betting against themselves and throwing games. It just doesn't exist right now. Do you think somebody will see Naniwa's probe rush then have an epiphany? "Oh shit! I can totally cheat!" Except 6 pool is a valid strategy and can beat greedy builds. Worker rush on the other hand, anyone that gotten pass the bronze league would of learned to how to deal with it, so in the professional scene, there is literally 0% chance to win with it, hence you are literally throwing away the game. Throwing away game =/= Cheese... people need to understand this point
It's funny how the exact same arguement is being thrown around the SC2 community when it comes to 6pool.
All other situations people call 6pool a cheese and how everyone above gold can defend it, but all of a sudden it's a legit strategy lol
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On December 13 2011 22:16 aquanda wrote:
Imagine you paid to go to an olympic soccer game. Neither team had any chance of advancing into the playoffs. They both just walked onto the field, kicked the ball into play, and walked off. Would you be pretty angry? I think so. I paid to see the Blizzard Cup, and the fact that Naniwa spat in my face because of his pride is disgusting. I always thought his attitude was pretty bad, but this brings it to another level. While before I wasn't a fan, now I am an anti-fan.
Another bad analogy, in dead rubbers in the Olympics, especially in football, the big name players will be 'rested', it happens all the time. The players which do play are playing for fame, publicity and of course pride.
You can of course hate him for it, but no one spat in your face.
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Yet if IdrA did it it would be dubbed a "Classic Greg Moment". That's hypocrisy, I suppose.
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Ugh, after sifting through more of the replies let me leave it at this: no one is forcing you to watch a player that is on tilt? Okay? You don't have to watch everything.
Bad conduct? Sure.
Unprofessional? Sure.
Here's the thing. If it isn't against the rules and the players don't give a shit anymore. They do what they want.
Let's look at it from Johan's point-of-view. He's already beaten NesTea twice. Lost 3 games in a row and cannot move on.
By throwing the game already down three games he doesn't lose any mystique by throwing a game that didn't matter to him when it comes to him versus NesTea. It's the same thing as walking out.
Beating him again, when NesTea was already down three games too doesn't say much either. Sure, we can all say OMG he did it again, but everyone against him would say didn't everyone?
Not much to gain from his eyes. Instead, bail out get everyone chatting about him again.
More media attention. The same media attention he's been getting since day 1.
Whoop-Dee-do.
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Naniwa is the sad angry little kid who doesn't care about anything except being smarter than everyone else. This shows that he doesn't care about his fans, his sponsers, or the tournament organizers. It should be punished just like Coca-Byun, ban from GSL. The match that Coca-Byun fixed was NOT for a Code A slot (I cant believe people still think that) it was just an online tournament. Nestea-Naniwa was on a paid GSL broadcasted event.
Yeah the Naniwa/Nestea result didnt have an impact upon who advances. But you still be a professional and play out the goddamn game. Just imagine if every year the bottom 5-6 NFL teams threw their end of season games because it had no effect on the playoffs. There'd be a huge uproar. I feel bad for anyone who bought a GSL HQ ticket because of the potential Naniwa-Nestea grudge match.
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If he done a proxy 2 gate or a cannon rush,then he would not gain so much hate.But he practically went for probe rush which basically tells he is just throwing the game away.People are paying money to watch these games you show them this type of play?What a joke even in the pre-game interview he hype up the series himself by smack talking Nestea.So not professional.
At least played it out for the viewers and everyone else.He like does not give a fuck about the game and did not even gave any respect to the other player Nestea and GomTV.
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Except 6 pool is a valid strategy and can beat greedy builds. Worker rush on the other hand, anyone that gotten pass the bronze league would of learned to how to deal with it, so in the professional scene, there is literally 0% chance to win with it, hence you are literally throwing away the game.
A 6-pool is a strategy bronze players use when they can't macro and they want a fast win. If anybody loses to a 6-pool now they either:
1. Have never faced it before in their life.
2. Have Cerebral Palsy.
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On December 13 2011 22:19 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 22:18 labbe wrote:On December 13 2011 22:16 aquanda wrote:
Imagine you paid to go to an olympic soccer game. Neither team had any chance of advancing into the playoffs. They both just walked onto the field, kicked the ball into play, and walked off. Would you be pretty angry? I think so. I paid to see the Blizzard Cup, and the fact that Naniwa spat in my face because of his pride is disgusting. I always thought his attitude was pretty bad, but this brings it to another level. While before I wasn't a fan, now I am an anti-fan. lol this happens all thie time in proffessional fotball. In matches that don't mean anything they will not use their star players. And the games are generally very lame and boring, as no one is giving it their very best. you don't watch football, i can tell
It actually does happen all the time. Especially if the team has a more important match coming up (champions league for example) where they will need all their best players or if they are already placed for the World Cup/Europa Cup.
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On December 13 2011 22:20 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 22:19 brachester wrote:On December 13 2011 22:18 labbe wrote:On December 13 2011 22:16 aquanda wrote:
Imagine you paid to go to an olympic soccer game. Neither team had any chance of advancing into the playoffs. They both just walked onto the field, kicked the ball into play, and walked off. Would you be pretty angry? I think so. I paid to see the Blizzard Cup, and the fact that Naniwa spat in my face because of his pride is disgusting. I always thought his attitude was pretty bad, but this brings it to another level. While before I wasn't a fan, now I am an anti-fan. lol this happens all thie time in proffessional fotball. In matches that don't mean anything they will not use their star players. And the games are generally very lame and boring, as no one is giving it their very best. you don't watch football, i can tell are we talking american football or real soccer football. because in soccer it happens all the time and games will be boooooooooring.
But have you ever seen a soccer team not show up for a match or just walk off the pitch after the kickoff?
Because that's what happened today.
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On December 13 2011 22:20 Terminal wrote:
lol @ people saying it has no meaning so who cares. That's not the point.
Some people paid money to watch a tournament with good games, when you get some selfish egotistical kid who doesn't give a shit about his own fans, spectators, organizers and other players it's just a disgrace and so unprofessional. If he doesn't want to play he can forfeit without wasting everyone's time. Whether nani likes it or not, this match had a storyline and there were people who were excited to see it.
I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed that there are some individuals out there who don't understand why it's a good thing to think about other people for a change.
People payed to watch a tournament. Nani was out of the tournament. Hence it was not a tournament game anymore. Just a random show match.
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lol at people saying he should get banned or fined... He played the game, that's what he was supposed to do, he didn't refuse to play. He loses other games too, he gg's out of them and doesn't get banned xD
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Naniwa should change team or at least hair color, maybe that will help him -_-
But seriously, totally unprofessional behavior, Naniwa is known for this so Im not surprised. He shows no respect to spectators/casters/production crew and sponsors. I dont see future for such a player, 8 teams in little over a year, banned from german league, bad manner in interviews, trash talk to opponents, and behavior like he show today, I wonder what team would sign with him after quantic release him (I predict it to happen soon)
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