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Please keep this thread on topic. It's ok to discuss the professionalism of what happened, but don't turn this thread into personal attacks or it will be closed.
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 02:44:54
December 14 2011 02:44 GMT
#1521
On December 14 2011 11:41 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 11:38 Assirra wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:27 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:24 SkimGuy wrote:
It's not about whether the games had any meaning or not. It's about being a professional and taking your job seriously.

Do you think the last place sports teams at the end of the season when they have been eliminated from the playoffs just give up? Of course not. It's they're damn job to play the game and by all means they should play the season out because it is the right thing to do.

After this incident, I've lost all respect for Naniwa


Taking his job seriously? The tournament didn't take his job seriously!

"Here, play this game for funsies and make sure you put your heart into it. There's no reward for it but do it anyway."

GOM gave Naniwa busy work and people are complaining that he didn't enjoy it?!

He agreed with the rules when he joined it.
I wish i could walk away form my job when i didn't feel like it and come up with an excuse "but it was busywork".


You're right, he agreed to the rules. Tell me, what rule did he break?




The unspoken rule of not being a jackass? I'm not saying I don't understand his situation, but alot of people who work know that plenty of times you have to do something you don't want to do. GomTV is paying him a check at the end of the day, and if they ask him to do something he should do it (as long as it is within reasonable limits).
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
December 14 2011 02:45 GMT
#1522
On December 14 2011 11:44 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 11:41 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:38 Assirra wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:27 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:24 SkimGuy wrote:
It's not about whether the games had any meaning or not. It's about being a professional and taking your job seriously.

Do you think the last place sports teams at the end of the season when they have been eliminated from the playoffs just give up? Of course not. It's they're damn job to play the game and by all means they should play the season out because it is the right thing to do.

After this incident, I've lost all respect for Naniwa


Taking his job seriously? The tournament didn't take his job seriously!

"Here, play this game for funsies and make sure you put your heart into it. There's no reward for it but do it anyway."

GOM gave Naniwa busy work and people are complaining that he didn't enjoy it?!

He agreed with the rules when he joined it.
I wish i could walk away form my job when i didn't feel like it and come up with an excuse "but it was busywork".


You're right, he agreed to the rules. Tell me, what rule did he break?




The unspoken rule of not being a jackass?
.
Regardless of whether it's right or wrong, Naniwa just didn't choose the most respectful way of playing all his games out to the best of his ability and putting on a good showing for his fans.
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
December 14 2011 02:45 GMT
#1523
On December 14 2011 11:42 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 11:41 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:38 Assirra wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:27 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:24 SkimGuy wrote:
It's not about whether the games had any meaning or not. It's about being a professional and taking your job seriously.

Do you think the last place sports teams at the end of the season when they have been eliminated from the playoffs just give up? Of course not. It's they're damn job to play the game and by all means they should play the season out because it is the right thing to do.

After this incident, I've lost all respect for Naniwa


Taking his job seriously? The tournament didn't take his job seriously!

"Here, play this game for funsies and make sure you put your heart into it. There's no reward for it but do it anyway."

GOM gave Naniwa busy work and people are complaining that he didn't enjoy it?!

He agreed with the rules when he joined it.
I wish i could walk away form my job when i didn't feel like it and come up with an excuse "but it was busywork".


You're right, he agreed to the rules. Tell me, what rule did he break?

That you play your matches?
No, sitting in front of your monitor, once clicking to opponent base and then lifting your hands from the keyboard is NOT playing your matches.
He didn't even micro his probes ffs.


1. Players forfeit matches ALL THE TIME with no repercussions.

2. You might not like it and you might try to deny it by splitting hairs, but Nani played that match.
#2throwed
Govou
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1072 Posts
December 14 2011 02:46 GMT
#1524
On December 14 2011 11:40 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 11:38 Govou wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:35 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:32 EnSky wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:27 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:24 SkimGuy wrote:
It's not about whether the games had any meaning or not. It's about being a professional and taking your job seriously.

Do you think the last place sports teams at the end of the season when they have been eliminated from the playoffs just give up? Of course not. It's they're damn job to play the game and by all means they should play the season out because it is the right thing to do.

After this incident, I've lost all respect for Naniwa


Taking his job seriously? The tournament didn't take his job seriously!

"Here, play this game for funsies and make sure you put your heart into it. There's no reward for it but do it anyway."

GOM gave Naniwa busy work and people are complaining that he didn't enjoy it?!


Did you forget that GOM pays the players?


Not to do busy work. Really, people are claiming that Naniwa isn't taking his job seriously. Well GOM gave him busy work. Made him play games just for the sake of playing games. The only people here who are allowed to be upset are the people who gladly walk into their office every day and thank their boss for any busy work they get.


wtf.. if you are getting paid, you do whatever they ask you to do. your entire thought process is just so wrong i dont even know where to start


No job pays you to do busy work. Also, as the poster above pointed out, GOM wasn't paying Naniwa for that game.


man I"m not even gonna touch this. I hope you find the work like that. Because to most people, doing the job is doing things whatever is asked to do.
EnSky
Profile Joined June 2011
Philippines1003 Posts
December 14 2011 02:46 GMT
#1525
On December 14 2011 11:44 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 11:41 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:38 Assirra wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:27 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:24 SkimGuy wrote:
It's not about whether the games had any meaning or not. It's about being a professional and taking your job seriously.

Do you think the last place sports teams at the end of the season when they have been eliminated from the playoffs just give up? Of course not. It's they're damn job to play the game and by all means they should play the season out because it is the right thing to do.

After this incident, I've lost all respect for Naniwa


Taking his job seriously? The tournament didn't take his job seriously!

"Here, play this game for funsies and make sure you put your heart into it. There's no reward for it but do it anyway."

GOM gave Naniwa busy work and people are complaining that he didn't enjoy it?!

He agreed with the rules when he joined it.
I wish i could walk away form my job when i didn't feel like it and come up with an excuse "but it was busywork".


You're right, he agreed to the rules. Tell me, what rule did he break?




The unspoken rule of not being a jackass? I'm not saying I don't understand his situation, but alot of people who work know that plenty of times you have to do something you don't want to do. GomTV is paying him a check at the end of the day, and if they ask him to do something he should do it (as long as it is within reasonable limits).

I would be OK with GOM not paying Naniwa for the last game (215 dollars).
Xax
Profile Joined December 2003
475 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 02:48:55
December 14 2011 02:48 GMT
#1526
The interesting thing about this whole dilemma is the question wether it would've happened as it happened if Naniwa actually had someone he trusts to talk to before the last game.

Someone like a coach. If you could speak your heart out to someone from your team who supports you and does this kind of stuff for you because you're talented in the game, but awkward socially maybe, they would've maybe gone to Nestea and his coach before the game and offered a surrender. Or the coach would've convinced Naniwa to play his heart out for the heck of it.

Naniwa as stated in a very recent interview about the teamchange only looks at the results. He needs a team behind him who can take care of the rest of the stuff like market him etc. this did not happen and basically it's quite the PR issue for QxG now. But as they say... there's no such thing as bad PR.
bibbaly
Profile Joined October 2010
98 Posts
December 14 2011 02:49 GMT
#1527
I bet naniwas lesson sure taught gomtv, shame on gomtv for trying to make interesting stories and fun matches.
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
December 14 2011 02:49 GMT
#1528
On December 14 2011 11:46 Govou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 11:40 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:38 Govou wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:35 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:32 EnSky wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:27 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:24 SkimGuy wrote:
It's not about whether the games had any meaning or not. It's about being a professional and taking your job seriously.

Do you think the last place sports teams at the end of the season when they have been eliminated from the playoffs just give up? Of course not. It's they're damn job to play the game and by all means they should play the season out because it is the right thing to do.

After this incident, I've lost all respect for Naniwa


Taking his job seriously? The tournament didn't take his job seriously!

"Here, play this game for funsies and make sure you put your heart into it. There's no reward for it but do it anyway."

GOM gave Naniwa busy work and people are complaining that he didn't enjoy it?!


Did you forget that GOM pays the players?


Not to do busy work. Really, people are claiming that Naniwa isn't taking his job seriously. Well GOM gave him busy work. Made him play games just for the sake of playing games. The only people here who are allowed to be upset are the people who gladly walk into their office every day and thank their boss for any busy work they get.


wtf.. if you are getting paid, you do whatever they ask you to do. your entire thought process is just so wrong i dont even know where to start


No job pays you to do busy work. Also, as the poster above pointed out, GOM wasn't paying Naniwa for that game.


man I"m not even gonna touch this. I hope you find the work like that. Because to most people, doing the job is doing things whatever is asked to do.


Tell me about a job where you do busy work...I'm an IT analyst so I do all ad-hoc reports with an express purpose. And in fact the CPO of our firm has made it very clear that we are NOT to fulfill requests that don't have an express purpose.

I'm actually legitimately curious about these jobs that require you to do busy work.
#2throwed
bibbaly
Profile Joined October 2010
98 Posts
December 14 2011 02:51 GMT
#1529
On December 14 2011 11:49 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 11:46 Govou wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:40 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:38 Govou wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:35 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:32 EnSky wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:27 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:24 SkimGuy wrote:
It's not about whether the games had any meaning or not. It's about being a professional and taking your job seriously.

Do you think the last place sports teams at the end of the season when they have been eliminated from the playoffs just give up? Of course not. It's they're damn job to play the game and by all means they should play the season out because it is the right thing to do.

After this incident, I've lost all respect for Naniwa


Taking his job seriously? The tournament didn't take his job seriously!

"Here, play this game for funsies and make sure you put your heart into it. There's no reward for it but do it anyway."

GOM gave Naniwa busy work and people are complaining that he didn't enjoy it?!


Did you forget that GOM pays the players?


Not to do busy work. Really, people are claiming that Naniwa isn't taking his job seriously. Well GOM gave him busy work. Made him play games just for the sake of playing games. The only people here who are allowed to be upset are the people who gladly walk into their office every day and thank their boss for any busy work they get.


wtf.. if you are getting paid, you do whatever they ask you to do. your entire thought process is just so wrong i dont even know where to start


No job pays you to do busy work. Also, as the poster above pointed out, GOM wasn't paying Naniwa for that game.


man I"m not even gonna touch this. I hope you find the work like that. Because to most people, doing the job is doing things whatever is asked to do.


Tell me about a job where you do busy work...I'm an IT analyst so I do all ad-hoc reports with an express purpose. And in fact the CPO of our firm has made it very clear that we are NOT to fulfill requests that don't have an express purpose.

I'm actually legitimately curious about these jobs that require you to do busy work.


How about a teacher who has to do extra busy work to pay for the gomtv subscription?
EnSky
Profile Joined June 2011
Philippines1003 Posts
December 14 2011 02:53 GMT
#1530
On December 14 2011 11:49 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 11:46 Govou wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:40 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:38 Govou wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:35 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:32 EnSky wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:27 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:24 SkimGuy wrote:
It's not about whether the games had any meaning or not. It's about being a professional and taking your job seriously.

Do you think the last place sports teams at the end of the season when they have been eliminated from the playoffs just give up? Of course not. It's they're damn job to play the game and by all means they should play the season out because it is the right thing to do.

After this incident, I've lost all respect for Naniwa


Taking his job seriously? The tournament didn't take his job seriously!

"Here, play this game for funsies and make sure you put your heart into it. There's no reward for it but do it anyway."

GOM gave Naniwa busy work and people are complaining that he didn't enjoy it?!


Did you forget that GOM pays the players?


Not to do busy work. Really, people are claiming that Naniwa isn't taking his job seriously. Well GOM gave him busy work. Made him play games just for the sake of playing games. The only people here who are allowed to be upset are the people who gladly walk into their office every day and thank their boss for any busy work they get.


wtf.. if you are getting paid, you do whatever they ask you to do. your entire thought process is just so wrong i dont even know where to start


No job pays you to do busy work. Also, as the poster above pointed out, GOM wasn't paying Naniwa for that game.


man I"m not even gonna touch this. I hope you find the work like that. Because to most people, doing the job is doing things whatever is asked to do.


Tell me about a job where you do busy work...I'm an IT analyst so I do all ad-hoc reports with an express purpose. And in fact the CPO of our firm has made it very clear that we are NOT to fulfill requests that don't have an express purpose.

I'm actually legitimately curious about these jobs that require you to do busy work.

I'm confused why you think that was busy work. No matter how the matches turns out GOM will always pay the same amount for the same number of games (4 games for players who drop out of the Group Stages).
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 02:54:57
December 14 2011 02:53 GMT
#1531
On December 14 2011 11:51 bibbaly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 11:49 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:46 Govou wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:40 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:38 Govou wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:35 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:32 EnSky wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:27 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:24 SkimGuy wrote:
It's not about whether the games had any meaning or not. It's about being a professional and taking your job seriously.

Do you think the last place sports teams at the end of the season when they have been eliminated from the playoffs just give up? Of course not. It's they're damn job to play the game and by all means they should play the season out because it is the right thing to do.

After this incident, I've lost all respect for Naniwa


Taking his job seriously? The tournament didn't take his job seriously!

"Here, play this game for funsies and make sure you put your heart into it. There's no reward for it but do it anyway."

GOM gave Naniwa busy work and people are complaining that he didn't enjoy it?!


Did you forget that GOM pays the players?


Not to do busy work. Really, people are claiming that Naniwa isn't taking his job seriously. Well GOM gave him busy work. Made him play games just for the sake of playing games. The only people here who are allowed to be upset are the people who gladly walk into their office every day and thank their boss for any busy work they get.


wtf.. if you are getting paid, you do whatever they ask you to do. your entire thought process is just so wrong i dont even know where to start


No job pays you to do busy work. Also, as the poster above pointed out, GOM wasn't paying Naniwa for that game.


man I"m not even gonna touch this. I hope you find the work like that. Because to most people, doing the job is doing things whatever is asked to do.


Tell me about a job where you do busy work...I'm an IT analyst so I do all ad-hoc reports with an express purpose. And in fact the CPO of our firm has made it very clear that we are NOT to fulfill requests that don't have an express purpose.

I'm actually legitimately curious about these jobs that require you to do busy work.


How about a teacher who has to do extra busy work to pay for the gomtv subscription?


No no...what is the busy work. Busy work is by definition labor that doesn't produce anything useful. What are these tasks your job (or any job that you can think of) is requiring of you.

And mind you, they have to be tasks that don't immediately make everyone say "well that's stupid." Give me a case of justified busy work.

And Naniwa's game is busy work in that it produces no good game. It gives Naniwa no good practice and no good results and SEVERAL pro players have said that no pro players will play a game worth watching when there is nothing on the line (that's not something they do on purpose, it's just the way it is).
#2throwed
bibbaly
Profile Joined October 2010
98 Posts
December 14 2011 02:55 GMT
#1532
On December 14 2011 11:53 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 11:51 bibbaly wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:49 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:46 Govou wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:40 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:38 Govou wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:35 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:32 EnSky wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:27 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:24 SkimGuy wrote:
It's not about whether the games had any meaning or not. It's about being a professional and taking your job seriously.

Do you think the last place sports teams at the end of the season when they have been eliminated from the playoffs just give up? Of course not. It's they're damn job to play the game and by all means they should play the season out because it is the right thing to do.

After this incident, I've lost all respect for Naniwa


Taking his job seriously? The tournament didn't take his job seriously!

"Here, play this game for funsies and make sure you put your heart into it. There's no reward for it but do it anyway."

GOM gave Naniwa busy work and people are complaining that he didn't enjoy it?!


Did you forget that GOM pays the players?


Not to do busy work. Really, people are claiming that Naniwa isn't taking his job seriously. Well GOM gave him busy work. Made him play games just for the sake of playing games. The only people here who are allowed to be upset are the people who gladly walk into their office every day and thank their boss for any busy work they get.


wtf.. if you are getting paid, you do whatever they ask you to do. your entire thought process is just so wrong i dont even know where to start


No job pays you to do busy work. Also, as the poster above pointed out, GOM wasn't paying Naniwa for that game.


man I"m not even gonna touch this. I hope you find the work like that. Because to most people, doing the job is doing things whatever is asked to do.


Tell me about a job where you do busy work...I'm an IT analyst so I do all ad-hoc reports with an express purpose. And in fact the CPO of our firm has made it very clear that we are NOT to fulfill requests that don't have an express purpose.

I'm actually legitimately curious about these jobs that require you to do busy work.


How about a teacher who has to do extra busy work to pay for the gomtv subscription?


No no...what is the busy work. Busy work is by definition labor that doesn't produce anything useful. What are these tasks your job (or any job that you can think of) is requiring of you.

And mind you, they have to be tasks that don't immediately make everyone say "well that's stupid." Give me a case of justified busy work.


I don't fit into your description of "busy work"?

I've done countless things for money i thought was stupid.
Govou
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1072 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 02:56:58
December 14 2011 02:56 GMT
#1533
On December 14 2011 11:49 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 11:46 Govou wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:40 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:38 Govou wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:35 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:32 EnSky wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:27 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:24 SkimGuy wrote:
It's not about whether the games had any meaning or not. It's about being a professional and taking your job seriously.

Do you think the last place sports teams at the end of the season when they have been eliminated from the playoffs just give up? Of course not. It's they're damn job to play the game and by all means they should play the season out because it is the right thing to do.

After this incident, I've lost all respect for Naniwa


Taking his job seriously? The tournament didn't take his job seriously!

"Here, play this game for funsies and make sure you put your heart into it. There's no reward for it but do it anyway."

GOM gave Naniwa busy work and people are complaining that he didn't enjoy it?!


Did you forget that GOM pays the players?


Not to do busy work. Really, people are claiming that Naniwa isn't taking his job seriously. Well GOM gave him busy work. Made him play games just for the sake of playing games. The only people here who are allowed to be upset are the people who gladly walk into their office every day and thank their boss for any busy work they get.


wtf.. if you are getting paid, you do whatever they ask you to do. your entire thought process is just so wrong i dont even know where to start


No job pays you to do busy work. Also, as the poster above pointed out, GOM wasn't paying Naniwa for that game.


man I"m not even gonna touch this. I hope you find the work like that. Because to most people, doing the job is doing things whatever is asked to do.


Tell me about a job where you do busy work...I'm an IT analyst so I do all ad-hoc reports with an express purpose. And in fact the CPO of our firm has made it very clear that we are NOT to fulfill requests that don't have an express purpose.

I'm actually legitimately curious about these jobs that require you to do busy work.


great because I'm a pharmacist intern and I see pharmacists and sometimes doctors do alot of chores like photocopying, inventory and all kinds of work they were not trained to do.

Just because you can mail it in on a job they paid you to do doesn't mean he can do it on televised game.
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
December 14 2011 02:56 GMT
#1534
On December 14 2011 11:53 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 11:51 bibbaly wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:49 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:46 Govou wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:40 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:38 Govou wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:35 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:32 EnSky wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:27 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:24 SkimGuy wrote:
It's not about whether the games had any meaning or not. It's about being a professional and taking your job seriously.

Do you think the last place sports teams at the end of the season when they have been eliminated from the playoffs just give up? Of course not. It's they're damn job to play the game and by all means they should play the season out because it is the right thing to do.

After this incident, I've lost all respect for Naniwa


Taking his job seriously? The tournament didn't take his job seriously!

"Here, play this game for funsies and make sure you put your heart into it. There's no reward for it but do it anyway."

GOM gave Naniwa busy work and people are complaining that he didn't enjoy it?!


Did you forget that GOM pays the players?


Not to do busy work. Really, people are claiming that Naniwa isn't taking his job seriously. Well GOM gave him busy work. Made him play games just for the sake of playing games. The only people here who are allowed to be upset are the people who gladly walk into their office every day and thank their boss for any busy work they get.


wtf.. if you are getting paid, you do whatever they ask you to do. your entire thought process is just so wrong i dont even know where to start


No job pays you to do busy work. Also, as the poster above pointed out, GOM wasn't paying Naniwa for that game.


man I"m not even gonna touch this. I hope you find the work like that. Because to most people, doing the job is doing things whatever is asked to do.


Tell me about a job where you do busy work...I'm an IT analyst so I do all ad-hoc reports with an express purpose. And in fact the CPO of our firm has made it very clear that we are NOT to fulfill requests that don't have an express purpose.

I'm actually legitimately curious about these jobs that require you to do busy work.


How about a teacher who has to do extra busy work to pay for the gomtv subscription?


No no...what is the busy work. Busy work is by definition labor that doesn't produce anything useful. What are these tasks your job (or any job that you can think of) is requiring of you.

And mind you, they have to be tasks that don't immediately make everyone say "well that's stupid." Give me a case of justified busy work.

And Naniwa's game is busy work in that it produces no good game. It gives Naniwa no good practice and no good results and SEVERAL pro players have said that no pro players will play a game worth watching when there is nothing on the line (that's not something they do on purpose, it's just the way it is).



You've obviously never worked a day in your life. There are very few jobs that do not involve "busy work."
pezit
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden302 Posts
December 14 2011 02:57 GMT
#1535
God I hate e-sports, this is what commentators have created with their constant raving about making e-sport mainstream - A sect of raving fanatics that cares nothing about the game only about everything surrounding it, the players has to be mannered, professional and interesting, who the fuck cares about the actual game? Let's all hate on Naniwa who practices a ton every day and after getting knocked out of a tournament didn't want to play a 4th meaningless game, I mean he must have felt like absolute shit at that point but that is nothing to what we as fans felt when we didn't get to see that last game, POOR US and GOMTV for not getting that last very exciting game.
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
December 14 2011 02:58 GMT
#1536
On December 14 2011 11:56 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 11:53 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:51 bibbaly wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:49 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:46 Govou wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:40 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:38 Govou wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:35 Klondikebar wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:32 EnSky wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:27 Klondikebar wrote:
[quote]

Taking his job seriously? The tournament didn't take his job seriously!

"Here, play this game for funsies and make sure you put your heart into it. There's no reward for it but do it anyway."

GOM gave Naniwa busy work and people are complaining that he didn't enjoy it?!


Did you forget that GOM pays the players?


Not to do busy work. Really, people are claiming that Naniwa isn't taking his job seriously. Well GOM gave him busy work. Made him play games just for the sake of playing games. The only people here who are allowed to be upset are the people who gladly walk into their office every day and thank their boss for any busy work they get.


wtf.. if you are getting paid, you do whatever they ask you to do. your entire thought process is just so wrong i dont even know where to start


No job pays you to do busy work. Also, as the poster above pointed out, GOM wasn't paying Naniwa for that game.


man I"m not even gonna touch this. I hope you find the work like that. Because to most people, doing the job is doing things whatever is asked to do.


Tell me about a job where you do busy work...I'm an IT analyst so I do all ad-hoc reports with an express purpose. And in fact the CPO of our firm has made it very clear that we are NOT to fulfill requests that don't have an express purpose.

I'm actually legitimately curious about these jobs that require you to do busy work.


How about a teacher who has to do extra busy work to pay for the gomtv subscription?


No no...what is the busy work. Busy work is by definition labor that doesn't produce anything useful. What are these tasks your job (or any job that you can think of) is requiring of you.

And mind you, they have to be tasks that don't immediately make everyone say "well that's stupid." Give me a case of justified busy work.

And Naniwa's game is busy work in that it produces no good game. It gives Naniwa no good practice and no good results and SEVERAL pro players have said that no pro players will play a game worth watching when there is nothing on the line (that's not something they do on purpose, it's just the way it is).



You've obviously never worked a day in your life. There are very few jobs that do not involve "busy work."


...I've held a job since sophomore year of highschool. I've never been unemployed except when I was a full time student in college and even then I took summer jobs.
#2throwed
EnSky
Profile Joined June 2011
Philippines1003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 03:03:24
December 14 2011 03:00 GMT
#1537
A lot of people here are missing the fact that GOM pays the players to play.

This gave me an idea. What if GOM just pays the player (who drop out) by the number of games he played. That would've been a good incentive for Naniwa to play his last game.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 03:01:29
December 14 2011 03:00 GMT
#1538
On December 14 2011 11:57 pezit wrote:
God I hate e-sports, this is what commentators have created with their constant raving about making e-sport mainstream - A sect of raving fanatics that cares nothing about the game only about everything surrounding it, the players has to be mannered, professional and interesting, who the fuck cares about the actual game? Let's all hate on Naniwa who practices a ton every day and after getting knocked out of a tournament didn't want to play a 4th meaningless game, I mean he must have felt like absolute shit at that point but that is nothing to what we as fans felt when we didn't get to see that last game, POOR US and GOMTV for not getting that last very exciting game.

Yea what is this?! People except professionalism from a professional gamer? how dare they?

Dude, this is not just gaming in your basement where no1 gives a shit wtf you do. This is a professional tournament with lots of money and viewers.
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
December 14 2011 03:04 GMT
#1539
mountain out of a mole hill.

dont let me stop you tho.
*burp*
Arkless
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1547 Posts
December 14 2011 03:07 GMT
#1540
It makes me sick how spoiled someone can be. You can't play one showmatch for your fans? Obviously this was a match everyone wanted to see regardless of tournament standing. MLB, NHL, NFL, all have pointless matches near the end of a season for some teams, knowing they won't make it to the playoffs. But those games are still played to there best knowing it won't matter. Why? Because they are professionals, Naniwa obviously is not a professional. All I hear about him is some form of drama, or how he has problems with other teams for being an ass hole. I don't know why people keep supporting someone who constantly spits in your face.

There is no room, for people as weak minded as he showed in professional esports, or pro anything period.
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