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On October 04 2011 21:50 Benzzro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 21:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 21:41 Hetz wrote:
Idra is a great player. Protoss indeed is way to easy being way too strong. The effort put into vs the reward, thats what he is trying to say, and he is totally right.
Besides, since the last patch, I heard zerg win rates vs protoss are dropping at an amazing rate. Protoss is way too easy? seriously? SERIOUSLY? no. just....no, no, no, no and again no. if mediocre zergs like IdrA cant beat protosses that doesnt mean that Protoss is too easy. The fact that IdrA beat MC shows that zerg is too easy. Look at GSL, only ONE protoss got out of the group stages....and he just lost 0-2 to, what was it, CoCa....what race is he again? oh yes, a Zerg. so don't you bring balance whining to the table, cuz i could give a fucking carpet list that proves that protoss is underpowered if you wanted, and that STILL wouldn't do anything good for anyone! so don't about imbalance when you're clearly wrong, and IdrA is clearly wrong and has been wrong about ZvP for about 8 months now. Actually, he was right. Even though that guy said a dumb comment, please don't say equally retarded things making Protoss look bad. Protoss used to be easy vs Zergs, just mass Collosi with blink stalkers. It was never hard 5-6 months ago. Now it is
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As a Terran player I'm sure you never followed it very closely, but it was never as bad as Zergs made it to be...they just love to complain. If a Zerg hits 70 drones uncontested they still win, the ones that refused to harass died to the deathball, mass Colossi with Blink Stalkers never worked...a smart Zerg would take the whole map and yes, Roach/Hydra/Corruptor was (and still is) viable if you have a far superior economy, which you can easily get against the 3base turtle style that Zerg claimed to be overpowerd.
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On October 04 2011 21:53 The Black wrote:This thread is not going to end nice. 
I like IdrA, I like him when he plays well, I like him when he's on State of the Game, I even dont mind his ridiculous BM, its funny sometimes. The balance whining in a match up thats clearly not P favored is what makes me rage about him though :/
plus, IdrA said he hates his fans and that they're all a bunch of morons, which made me LOL so hard that people were looking at me funny (SotG on iPhone on the train xD)
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On October 04 2011 21:44 Jayson X wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 21:30 Orome wrote:
Idra polarizes. His haters are annoying, but his mindless fanboys are equally so. I mean for heaven's sake, someone in the LR thread said he was the Michael Jordan of Sc2.
Do you really need to hear reasons as to why people might dislike Idra? Anyone who rages and insults opponents as much as he does is going to have people who dislike him. Whether this stuff bothers you is for you to decide, but it's not all that difficult to fathomwhere the hate comes from. Yeah, but it's all talk. Remember how sAviOr in his prime used to split the community? The guy didn't have a single shred of bad mannerism at that time, still people would hate on him for...well...winning. He was too invincible, too solid and the community pushed him into this "endboss" suit making him almost more fearsome than he already was. People hate on Idra for not showing emotions. Hell there was an entire proteam in BW that showed no emotions. Let him say and do whatever the fuck he wants. In the end, actions speaks louder than words. Every programer knows that.
Well Savior did have his ma hitler picture. :p
Anyway, it's definitely not all talk, Idra IS bad mannered, but eh, I'm not going either way on this. I'm not the biggest fan of Idra's tantrums, but I don't think they're that big a deal either.
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I think zergs are going to loose if they always whine about balance even when it is balanced and not. If you are gonna whine about balance do it when it really is unbalanced then maybe more people will listen.
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I don't cheer for him, but I don't think he's a bad player. I do think he's gotten worse since he left Korea but even he acknowledges that and that's why he's going back. I don't cheer for IdrA because his fanboys are so fucking annoying it turns me off from enjoying his games. If he wins he's suddenly a God and the best player in the world, if he loses then the other race is broken and overpowered. His attitude towards the game and balance leaks into his fans who then spill it all out in these threads. It's annoying.
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Win against Puma is his only notable tournament result for a long time. He was really good when he was in Korea, but then he moved to usa and his skill decreased.
For example i am jinro fan but i cant contradict fact that he is in slump. Same for Idra he is no longer best (or one of the best) foreigner(s).
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It's extremly annoying how almost every tournament thread digresses into a flamewar between idra fans/haters :/ I don't get why he gets so much attention compared to his bad sportmanship und underwhelming results/play in the last months.
He made me an anti fan with his behavior towards Cruncher on stage @MLG and his various outbursts online but there's no point in spamming LR Threads with it -_-
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On October 04 2011 21:53 PlaGuE_R wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 21:50 Benzzro wrote:On October 04 2011 21:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 21:41 Hetz wrote:
Idra is a great player. Protoss indeed is way to easy being way too strong. The effort put into vs the reward, thats what he is trying to say, and he is totally right.
Besides, since the last patch, I heard zerg win rates vs protoss are dropping at an amazing rate. Protoss is way too easy? seriously? SERIOUSLY? no. just....no, no, no, no and again no. if mediocre zergs like IdrA cant beat protosses that doesnt mean that Protoss is too easy. The fact that IdrA beat MC shows that zerg is too easy. Look at GSL, + Show Spoiler +only ONE protoss got out of the group stages....and he just lost 0-2 to, what was it, CoCa....what race is he again? oh yes, a Zerg. so don't you bring balance whining to the table, cuz i could give a fucking carpet list that proves that protoss is underpowered if you wanted, and that STILL wouldn't do anything good for anyone! so don't about imbalance when you're clearly wrong, and IdrA is clearly wrong and has been wrong about ZvP for about 8 months now. Actually, he was right. Even though that guy said a dumb comment, please don't say equally retarded things making Protoss look bad. Protoss used to be easy vs Zergs, just mass Collosi with blink stalkers. It was never hard 5-6 months ago. Now it is sorry, IdrA has been wrong about ZvP for the last 6 months, because he STILL claims the same bullshit that he did back when zerg didnt understand how to deal with the death ball. "oh, he just won cause hes a protoss" no, he won cuz you suck at this match up and instead of actively improving you blame it on imbalance. equally retarded? did + Show Spoiler +SangHo not JUST get raped by CoCa?
Everyone makes little comments like that when they lose, if Idra was Protoss/Terran he'd do the exact same thing, it's just his nature. He was not wrong about it 6 months ago. I had something like a 90% w/l ratio against Zerg cause you could just mass stalkers with Collosi, it wasn't hard.
Instead of activevly improving? Did he not just win IEM? I'll agree with you on that though, he probably could've gotten a lot better if he didn't whine, but saying he isn't improving is stupid, which you are apparently.
You're really going to bring 1 match in the GSL to prove your point? Not only that, I didn't even mention the current balance in my previous post so what does that Sango statement have to anything with what I said.
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Oh, a thread for people to post how much they hate IdrA, what's new?
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either way, it is good to have players like idra in the scene.
he has a strong personality, which gives people a reason to care about his games.
i personally think that is something most of the players are lacking. most of the players i really don't know much about. i don't know about their background, their attitude, etc. so most of the games i don't really have a reason to care about the result, which makes it a little bit less exciting to watch.
gom tv sometimes does small specials about individual players like yellow or mkp which really gives the viewers a chance to get to know the players better. esports really needs more of that, imho
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It's funny, people dislike him because he's real, most people like to hide behind a fake personality when it comes to being well-known in an industry (for reputation reasons)
IdrA just doesn't give a shit even though he's sponsored, which is what I truly admire in a person.
KEEPIN IT REAL.
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I can't help but read spoilers and I did not watch IEM but....
FUCKING GO IDRA!!!!! HHWAIITING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111one
It is a common misconception that a lot of people hate Idra but in reality it is like 10 people with 30 accounts on reddit and TL who bash him. The majority of people know Idra is gosu.
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On October 04 2011 21:55 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 21:50 Benzzro wrote:On October 04 2011 21:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 21:41 Hetz wrote:
Idra is a great player. Protoss indeed is way to easy being way too strong. The effort put into vs the reward, thats what he is trying to say, and he is totally right.
Besides, since the last patch, I heard zerg win rates vs protoss are dropping at an amazing rate. Protoss is way too easy? seriously? SERIOUSLY? no. just....no, no, no, no and again no. if mediocre zergs like IdrA cant beat protosses that doesnt mean that Protoss is too easy. The fact that IdrA beat MC shows that zerg is too easy. Look at GSL, only ONE protoss got out of the group stages....and he just lost 0-2 to, what was it, CoCa....what race is he again? oh yes, a Zerg. so don't you bring balance whining to the table, cuz i could give a fucking carpet list that proves that protoss is underpowered if you wanted, and that STILL wouldn't do anything good for anyone! so don't about imbalance when you're clearly wrong, and IdrA is clearly wrong and has been wrong about ZvP for about 8 months now. Actually, he was right. Even though that guy said a dumb comment, please don't say equally retarded things making Protoss look bad. Protoss used to be easy vs Zergs, just mass Collosi with blink stalkers. It was never hard 5-6 months ago. Now it is As a Terran player I'm sure you never followed it very closely, but it was never as bad as Zergs made it to be...they just love to complain. If a Zerg hits 70 drones uncontested they still win, the ones that refused to harass died to the deathball, mass Colossi with Blink Stalkers never worked...a smart Zerg would take the whole map and yes, Roach/Hydra/Corruptor was (and still is) viable if you have a far superior economy, which you can easily get against the 3base turtle style that Zerg claimed to be overpowerd.
What an extraordinary post, a person showing me a graph of ladder games (Is it even Masters only?), that is trying to explain ZvP to me when he's a Terran player, and judging by your post probably in bronze league, oh lawd.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On October 04 2011 21:55 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 21:50 Benzzro wrote:On October 04 2011 21:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 21:41 Hetz wrote:
Idra is a great player. Protoss indeed is way to easy being way too strong. The effort put into vs the reward, thats what he is trying to say, and he is totally right.
Besides, since the last patch, I heard zerg win rates vs protoss are dropping at an amazing rate. Protoss is way too easy? seriously? SERIOUSLY? no. just....no, no, no, no and again no. if mediocre zergs like IdrA cant beat protosses that doesnt mean that Protoss is too easy. The fact that IdrA beat MC shows that zerg is too easy. Look at GSL, only ONE protoss got out of the group stages....and he just lost 0-2 to, what was it, CoCa....what race is he again? oh yes, a Zerg. so don't you bring balance whining to the table, cuz i could give a fucking carpet list that proves that protoss is underpowered if you wanted, and that STILL wouldn't do anything good for anyone! so don't about imbalance when you're clearly wrong, and IdrA is clearly wrong and has been wrong about ZvP for about 8 months now. Actually, he was right. Even though that guy said a dumb comment, please don't say equally retarded things making Protoss look bad. Protoss used to be easy vs Zergs, just mass Collosi with blink stalkers. It was never hard 5-6 months ago. Now it is As a Terran player I'm sure you never followed it very closely, but it was never as bad as Zergs made it to be...they just love to complain. If a Zerg hits 70 drones uncontested they still win, the ones that refused to harass died to the deathball, mass Colossi with Blink Stalkers never worked...a smart Zerg would take the whole map and yes, Roach/Hydra/Corruptor was (and still is) viable if you have a far superior economy, which you can easily get against the 3base turtle style that Zerg claimed to be overpowerd.
I'm not one to get into balance arguments a whole lot but if you look at that graph when zerg was doing very poorly, their win rates were lower vs both T and P than the P win rates right now. The only difference was we have nestea.....and P has who? Anyways good luck with the protoss complaining...maybe they will buff your harassment or something so you can be the 55% win rate race again.
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I know that IdrA can be very badmannered most of the time, but I think he deserves the acknowledgement of winning this tournament. He hasn't had a great run recently with MLG and DreamHack, mostly because of the PvZ matchup which he perceives as imbalanced. Therefore I congratulate IdrA on beating a seemingly unmatched Korean player, and kudos to him for that. I am no particular hater of IdrA, and to the contrary not a supporter of his rage either.
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On October 04 2011 21:59 Benzzro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 21:53 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 21:50 Benzzro wrote:On October 04 2011 21:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 21:41 Hetz wrote:
Idra is a great player. Protoss indeed is way to easy being way too strong. The effort put into vs the reward, thats what he is trying to say, and he is totally right.
Besides, since the last patch, I heard zerg win rates vs protoss are dropping at an amazing rate. Protoss is way too easy? seriously? SERIOUSLY? no. just....no, no, no, no and again no. if mediocre zergs like IdrA cant beat protosses that doesnt mean that Protoss is too easy. The fact that IdrA beat MC shows that zerg is too easy. Look at GSL, + Show Spoiler +only ONE protoss got out of the group stages....and he just lost 0-2 to, what was it, CoCa....what race is he again? oh yes, a Zerg. so don't you bring balance whining to the table, cuz i could give a fucking carpet list that proves that protoss is underpowered if you wanted, and that STILL wouldn't do anything good for anyone! so don't about imbalance when you're clearly wrong, and IdrA is clearly wrong and has been wrong about ZvP for about 8 months now. Actually, he was right. Even though that guy said a dumb comment, please don't say equally retarded things making Protoss look bad. Protoss used to be easy vs Zergs, just mass Collosi with blink stalkers. It was never hard 5-6 months ago. Now it is sorry, IdrA has been wrong about ZvP for the last 6 months, because he STILL claims the same bullshit that he did back when zerg didnt understand how to deal with the death ball. "oh, he just won cause hes a protoss" no, he won cuz you suck at this match up and instead of actively improving you blame it on imbalance. equally retarded? did + Show Spoiler +SangHo not JUST get raped by CoCa? Everyone makes little comments like that when they lose, if Idra was Protoss/Terran he'd do the exact same thing, it's just his nature. He was not wrong about it 6 months ago. I had something like a 90% w/l ratio against Zerg cause you could just mass stalkers with Collosi, it wasn't hard. Instead of activevly improving? Did he not just win IEM? I'll agree with you on that though, he probably could've gotten a lot better if he didn't whine, but saying he isn't improving is stupid, which you are apparently. You're really going to bring 1 match in the GSL to prove your point? Not only that, I didn't even mention the current balance in my previous post so what does that Sango statement have to anything with what I said.
wow, so you dont agree with me and because of that I'm stupid? Glad to see that the IdrA fanbase is still as mannered and mature as ever.
anyways, one GSL match? how about there are no protoss in GSL Code S? that the only protoss wins in Code A were agaisnt bad zergs (ie SuperStar) or terrible play (ie Check)
how about the most innovative and the staple of Protoss has been knocked out of Code A by a mediocre Zerg.
If protoss was easy, please, kindly explain why Protoss has only two GSL championships? go on, I'm sure your arguments will be enlightening.
mass stalker colossus was easy to use, true enough, its also really easy to kill, so your argument is invalid. In fact, all that a zerg needs to do to beat that composition is A) spam R, B) click a drone , then go V + I C) wait for the building to finish and click H on your lair. D) click G on your spire. and boom, voila, you just raped a colossi stalker death ball because stalker colossus loses agaisnt roach Brood Lord (unless of course you're an idiot and you fly your Broods all one over a pack of stalkers and watch them die powerlessly *cough Idra vs MC Dreamhack 2010 cough*)
zergs that lose vs mass stalker colossus lose because they're terrible. When you know that a simple infestor, Brood Lord, Roach destroys that composition so thoroughly. Or infestor Ultra ling. Hell, even muta infestor ling or muta ling bling does well agaisnt that composition.
and honestly, I don't give a shit about your win rate with mass stalker colossi, you know why? because its not Nestea, or Losira, or CoCa, or Min, or July etc that you beat.
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On October 04 2011 22:02 Versioned wrote:
It's funny, people dislike him because he's real, most people like to hide behind a fake personality when it comes to being well-known in an industry for reputation reasons
IdrA just doesn't give a shit, which is what I truly admire in a person.
Thats why hes blaming looses on balance when the reality its the direct opposite? i call that ignorance not admireble
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On October 04 2011 21:39 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 21:27 tnud wrote:
Well, I can't speak for others but, as what you might call an IdrA hater I can't stand him. He's complaining way to much, which eggs on his legion of fans to bring up non-issues. He's a poor loser (to say the least), a pretty bad winner and his fighting spirit is horrible.
He IS a very good zerg, I know that. But I will forever root for the opposing player until IdrA learns how to be a winner and not just a "solid macro zerg". Cheese once in a while god damn it, something different. :/ So you dont like people who prefers to try to win becasue they have better mechanics, instead of relying on coinflips? Stupid opinion imo.
I have to agree macro isn't all. All-Ins or Cheese are important, too. MvP does it Nestea does it etc.
But the worst thing about Idra is he is telling a lot of shit and there are actually people out there who believe him. But at least I think he is better then players which got all theirs success from some trendy all-in strats ( you know those guys, which are only good at one specific build). So I wasn't that unhappy when he defeated one of these guys at IEM. :D
So overall in my opinion the haters hate him for his whining and the way he is telling us how to play the game.
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People tend to like people who are similar to themselves, and we have plenty of angry bad mannered 12 year olds on the internet.
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Here's the deal.
People that know Starcraft and have followed the scene to some extent know that Idra is a good player, he was good in BW and he's good in SC2, i wouldn't say he's the best foreigner but definitely up there in the absolute top tier. He's also known for his "BM" and while i agree that he might be a bit BM here and there some of you have taken it waaaaay too far, making him out to be some kind of devil. The first 5000 husky videos, "LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL IDRA RAGEQUIT! 1-5000" certainly helped in the making of the BM-idra image, but i swear if any of you were to meet him on the street/LAN/subway/wherever you'd soon realize that he's probably as nice as the next guy, i've read hundreds of blogposts/tweets about how people went up to Idra and asked for a picture or something and explained that he was nothing but nice about it.
9 times out of 10, the haters are always the ones that are brand spanking new to the scene and are desperately trying to fit in by calling him BM based on what Reddit says.
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