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Canada13379 Posts
I think people really need to chill out. Between all the idra hate and the conspiracy theorists out there saying the matches were fixed im getting really frustrated at a lot of the crap this community decides to latch onto.
Enjoy the damn game. Enjoy the fact sc2 is as popular as it is. Stop whining, stop complaining about player x or player y.
You can be disappointed in certain things like lack of high placing foreigners in tourney or results from protoss players as of late. But once that kind of thing starts to turn around and Idra wins the IEM finals why the hell do people need to find negatives in that? He won. He's good.
Shut up and be happy that someone outside Korea has worked as hard as Idra has to show that the foreign scene isnt so far behind korea that no foreigner will ever win again. With hard work anyone can be good at this game and people like Idra are proving it.
And stop worrying about what Tyler thinks. This thread isn't about him. He is entitled to his opinions and thats all there is to it. Sometimes the lack of maturity and constant bashing I see on these forums makes me think twice about taking part in the community.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49496 Posts
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Reading these comments is entertaining, especially the ones bringing more unnecessary drama. IdrA has been like this for years. It's only a big deal when anti-IdrA fans make it into a big deal. Yeah, IdrA's attitude isn't the best when it comes to the game, but outside he is a chill guy to talk to. His personality on the internet doesn't reflect how he acts in real life. You can ask people who met him in real life. If IdrA was such a douche, then you wouldn't see people hanging around him. That is false because pictures and videos of IdrA at MLG's, IEM's, etc shows him hanging out with other players.
I don't see how people can think PuMa threw away the games when he still played well. I love it when player X has been playing well and then Player Y comes in and beats player X. The internet explodes and people think it's BS that he lost. IdrA has been a strong player since the early days of SC2 and he has been in a slump, but he still displays impressive games.
Honestly, the people that hate IdrA for his attitude are the softies that can't deal with people like him. The real world isn't full of nice people and just because this is our community doesn't mean they'll be assholes in it. I am not pointing that statement to IdrA, entirely but just in general.
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I think this whole thing is hilarious his fans have such hubris after one win against puma condier idra on Nestea level etc and ye a person who hates then to get haters and as it has been said both his fans and haters är incredible annoying.
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well Idra is not Korean... so he isnt allowed 2 be BM 
MC is BM and everyone goes "OH WAT A BALLER"
Idra is BM "OLOLOOL RAGE BLABLABLA".
and yes their BM is different but still people like it when koreans are BM and when west guys are BM they go apeshit over it.
and not writing GG isnt even BM but yeah TT
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On October 05 2011 02:35 Drey wrote:
The community is the one which attracts sponsors. I guess dont bite the hand that feeds you doesnt apply to some players.
On October 05 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
it may be true that as spectators of esports, they contribute to the industry. but that has nothing to do with their participation in the community. you've got to separate their actions.
Viewers attract sponsors, not the community.
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Tyler and IdrA are REAL, they don't put on this silly front for 'PR' like everyone seems to claim they want. I have no idea why the fuck someone would want that, it is tired and boring. I often wondered why they bother doing interviews with professional athletes after the games 'we played a tough team, they deserve a lot of credit we were just better tonight.' or some other rehashed read your response off a piece of paper. I don't see the point so we can all say 'ohh he's so nice and humble' please, don't waste my time.
IdrA played amazingly in the playoff after a shaky group. He proved once again he has some of the nastiest macro on earth and is a top tier player. Anyone trying to discredit his wins are silly and shouldn't be given attention.
<3 IdrA
<3 tyler
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On October 05 2011 02:27 Apollo_Shards wrote:
Balance whiners, rabid Idra fanboys, and the Broodwar fans who incessantly make it known how much better they think BW is than SC2 every chance they get are the plague of the TL forums.
IdrA is a very good and entertaining player but his unnecessary BM towards certain players is uncalled for.
haha, include armchair game designers and I´ll agree with this. I sometimes read this forums and wonder if people actually like the game. They clearly spend a lot of time thinking and whinning and complaining about a game they hate.
Definitively the community sometimes feels like trash.(Its not everybody obviously but all the btiching about... everything gets tiring)
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I didn't know you had to like everyone in sports.
It certainly doesn't help that idra promotes the most psychotic zerg fanboys.
Still this match fixing deal is shit that is being thrown about too trivially. Good read up about savior and the shit even the suspicion of such activities did to some careers. (Oh upmagic why t.t)
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So much hate.... Seriously, I play Terran and I kinda was on Puma's side but I'm glad finally a foreigner won an event where there were koreans. On another note, TvZ lategame is really hard for Terran, and such a solid player like Idra can hold his own in that situation. Yes, Jinro beat him, but he won with a timing attack and a proxy rax bunker rush. So let's not take away the praise Idra deserves.
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On October 05 2011 02:38 RedDragon571 wrote:
Wow what a worthless thread, someone close this asap.
At first I though this could have brought out a good discussion but its just turned into a hatefest. Now I realize asking "Why do you hate somebody" is just a stupid question and of course it is going to cause nothing but pointless arguments. Please close.
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On October 05 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 01:27 StoRm_res wrote:On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say. Sure, badmouth the people who make it possible for you to get payed to play a freaking VIDEOGAME.. lol clearly the joke went over your head. but to take you seriously anyway, don't flatter yourself. the community hardly plays an important role in anything. most fans and professionals and busy bodies don't take part in the community. 99% of the time, the community simply talks in circles around every issue. people like doing that because they like saying their opinion and they can't get enough of sc2 so they talk about it when they're not watching/playing it. no one is getting paid because Person A logs into a forum and says "apples" and Person B logs into a forum and says "oranges". it may be true that as spectators of esports, they contribute to the industry. but that has nothing to do with their participation in the community. you've got to separate their actions. basically, i like my fans and dislike the community. if a lot of my fans participate in the community, then that's something we've got to work on... 
You say the joke went over his head but then you go justify what you said...
On the topic of IdrA I think he played quite well during this tournament and his wins were all legitimate (go watch the games). IdrA definitely has some attitude problems to work on but I think at least at this moment he deserves congratulations.
I feel like I go back and forth being an IdrA fan and really disliking IdrA and I've noticed that those trends coincide with whether he's winning or not. It bothers me that I only like him when he's winning... it just means his BM isn't getting a chance to come out.
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On October 05 2011 02:43 crms wrote:
Tyler and IdrA are REAL, they don't put on this silly front for 'PR' like everyone seems to claim they want. I have no idea why the fuck someone would want that, it is tired and boring. I often wondered why they bother doing interviews with professional athletes after the games 'we played a tough team, they deserve a lot of credit we were just better tonight.' or some other rehashed read your response off a piece of paper. I don't see the point so we can all say 'ohh he's so nice and humble' please, don't waste my time.
IdrA played amazingly in the playoff after a shaky group. He proved once again he has some of the nastiest macro on earth and is a top tier player. Anyone trying to discredit his wins are silly and shouldn't be given attention.
<3 IdrA
<3 tyler
Ever heard of "If you've got nothing good to say about something, then shut up!". Basically what Tyler (and the people he seems to consider worthless) needs to learn.
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Well, I am going to sit up in my chair and type in a thread that will undoubtedly get me flamed :D
*zips up flame suit*
With regards to IdrA:
I don't personally like IdrA's personality. Every time I see any media relating to him it is negative or displayed negatively. That is probably the reason I don't like his personality. Threads like this (yes, I am aware that I am perpetuating this thread just by posting lol) and media that people put out about him all display him as this badass, arrogant robot of a human being who rages like the world has never seen. However, through watching a lot of content related to SC2 and the pro scene, many people have said that IdrA is a very nice, homely guy. These are people that have actually interacted with him and spoken to him -- how many of you have done that? How many of you know him outside of his representation? Probably not so many. Even if he is a raging human robot devoid of a soul and his sole intent is to drain your soul -- he is still a great Starcraft 2 player. That is why he is paid to play. Even if he does poorly in a tournament, he is still on a different level than most of the people on this forum. If nothing else, you should at least be able to respect the fact that he understands this game and is good at it, even if at times he isn't as good as the other top players.
With regards to the Tyler post:
Whoever said Tyler needs PR lessons and then went on to say how he would no longer watch his stream nor support him. How self-righteous can you get? If you would drop your support just because a player spoke his mind, then the community as a whole is better of without you. Are you supposed to agree with everything the professionals say? Nope. Are they supposed to bottle up their true thoughts and not speak their mind? Nope. It is just the way things are. Having an open forum where you can freely speak your mind and defend your viewpoints is something that makes this community unique and strong. Where else can you find this level of interaction between community and players? The fact that you can come to this thread and read the true opinions of a professional player in the context of a discussion spawned by the community is a wonderful, wonderful thing. Also, the impression I got from Tyler's post is that a lot of the community is mindless and they speak without thought, thus their opinions hold less merit and are not worth bothering yourself with.
I am a person who loves a good debate and I am sure there are many like me; however, if you are to debate there is an inherent level of respect between all parties involved that usually ends up violated in the end. If you don't agree with someone feel free to tell them why you don't agree, but be respectful of the fact that, ultimately, they are entitled to believe whatever the hell they want to.
My two cents.
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On October 04 2011 21:26 svefnleysi wrote:
He's a bad mannered egomaniac and you're surprised people don't like him?
Now that he has some results (I'm not counting IPL season 1 as "results") maybe he can afford a bit more to act the way he does.
However, a win is a win, and people shouldn't be taking away from that. Congrats to Idra.
wtf? egomaniac???? are you fucking serious?
first i hardly think hes an egomaniac and 2nd you cant diagnose it from watching what little of his life you have seen.
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Idra played really really well in the 2nd two days.
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On October 05 2011 02:28 Scrandom wrote:
He gets hate because he is a dick, always whines, and is never a good sport. The only way you can look past that is if you are a blind fanboy. He is a damn good player but anyone who says he doesn't pull some rude shit is just ignoring the fact.
Yeah, I have to agree with this. He antagonizes ppl way too much. I can understand frustration being one of the reasons but considering he has done so well up till now, placing high in most tournaments and earning allot of money, all his hate is uncalled for. I mean look at Jinro, he's fallen from probably the best foreign Terran and top 5 Terrans in the world to obscurity. I can see when he streams he is bitter most of the time and I understand him very well. But he's still not an asshole about it and mostly keeps it to himself.
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On October 05 2011 02:48 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 02:43 crms wrote:
Tyler and IdrA are REAL, they don't put on this silly front for 'PR' like everyone seems to claim they want. I have no idea why the fuck someone would want that, it is tired and boring. I often wondered why they bother doing interviews with professional athletes after the games 'we played a tough team, they deserve a lot of credit we were just better tonight.' or some other rehashed read your response off a piece of paper. I don't see the point so we can all say 'ohh he's so nice and humble' please, don't waste my time.
IdrA played amazingly in the playoff after a shaky group. He proved once again he has some of the nastiest macro on earth and is a top tier player. Anyone trying to discredit his wins are silly and shouldn't be given attention.
<3 IdrA
<3 tyler Ever heard of "If you've got nothing good to say about something, then shut up!". Basically what Tyler (and the people he seems to consider worthless) needs to learn.
I'd rather it be real and 'mean' then fake and 'nice,' to each their own I suppose. There is a difference between going out of your way to hurt someone by being mean and giving your honest opinion towards a discussion.
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On October 05 2011 02:38 KanoCoke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 02:11 msjakofsky wrote:On October 05 2011 01:57 KanoCoke wrote:On October 05 2011 01:31 msjakofsky wrote:On October 05 2011 01:21 KanoCoke wrote:On October 05 2011 01:05 msjakofsky wrote:On October 05 2011 01:02 KanoCoke wrote:
It's funny how so many people talking crap about IdrA in this thread are mentioning a lot of the things IdrA has done in the past, and aren't even looking at his games in IEM.
IdrA finally mixed things up, taking down Elfi in the last game with a speedling roach all-in after he noticed Elfi commiting to a forge fast expand in Xel'Naga Caverns. You guys got what you wanted with him actually varying his strategies (even with his late game tech switches), and IdrA actually never left a game too early, always played out the games until he either won or lost really badly (especially the games against PuMa), and also was fairly respectful to everyone besides Protoss players that use strategies he personally didn't like (which just so happened to be Elfi).
Instead of just repeating what everyone else is raging about blindly, these people should actually just shut up and watch first. maybe you should notice first that most of the people have a problem with his personality, not his play. noone thinks he is a bad player. and not thinking he is the best in the world is still not "talking crap about him", even if his fans think so Go back and read through the early several pages again, and tell me they aren't just blindly hating on him. Read through their reasons on why they hate him. His personality is just hit or miss, but both sides of the spectrum love spewing shit. I'm here to correct that, and make sure both sides actually know what they're talking about instead of spewing what they heard 6 or so months ago. Yes, IdrA regularly talks shit, and often gets flamed for it, but at least he isn't a liar about what he thinks, and says exactly what is on his mind. This is why I don't mind his personality, as I know a lot of people that are just blunt about their intentions or thoughts. He's a good ZvT player that focuses on mid-game muta harass and late-game tech, which is why he always used to get taken out in the early game. People keep saying that he never learns and just keeps doing the same things over and over, but he clearly has adjusted his build orders to protect himself against early rushes and hellion harass, and has adapted different tactics to suit different maps (like his double evo on 2 base quick upgrades on big maps). People kept on saying that he just sticks to roach hydra against Protoss and just whines after he loses, but IdrA actually used a variety of builds to win himself a major title. You guys talk about how he has a shit personality, but you see him in recent interviews being amiable, even humorous, and interacting more often with the community via stream and posting on the SC2 tourneys threads. When raging about IdrA, you guys should use better or newer excuses. i don't remember anyone saying he is a bad player. saying that he is overrated or that he's inconsistent or saying that his results vs his teammate don't show that he is the sc2 god is nothing like that, it's just his fans that don't know the difference. he is a good player, everyone knows that. not being a liar is not a thing to admire, not to mention that if he in fact is a nice person than he is fake. noone rages about idra. you're just angry that not everyone thinks he is as awesome as you do, which is a behavior that's difficult to take seriously and he's been an asshole so many countless times, maybe that's the reason you love him, but you know, rational people generally don't love assholes, so that shouldn't be too hard to understand And here's the generic personal attack reply attempting to put words into other people's mouths. I never said in any of my posts that I think IdrA is a god. In fact, I just said he's a good ZvT player. Note the difference. Posting while angry often makes people spout bullshit, and even more bullshit when they realize that their argument doesn't have much legs to stand on, and much moreso when they find people that don't agree 100% to what they're saying. As a matter of fact, I'm not even angry. I just got into the SC2 scene during the Super Tournament and only managed to know about IdrA after checking for more info about BoxeR's transition into SC2. I found out how IdrA just used to live in Korea as a pro-gamer and went back to the US and started flopping due to lack of practice (which he admits to). I also got to know how PuMa is a great TvPer judging from how he managed to defeat MC in two tournament finals, but wasn't sure about his TvZ (which I found out later was actually pretty good, due to his effective ghost usage in late-game). Then here you guys go trying to de-legitimise IdrA's win over PuMa by saying PuMa lost on purpose. When hating on a particular person, you narrow your vision and just focus on everything you can possibly hate about them and all responses that aren't exactly siding with you all look like they're on the opposite side of your view. It happens to a lot of people, and it's clearly happening to you, as now you are clearly convinced that I'm this huge IdrA fanboy that thinks that he is the God of Starcraft II. You are also clearly convinced that I like assholes simply because it adds to your convenience so you can hate on both IdrA and me more, without trying to even confirm if I do like assholes or not (and I don't like assholes, I just think IdrA's a blunt, slightly egotistic, yet funny dude, but no, think what you want to think because you obviously have no intent to actually find out what I think in the first place. You just want someone to target your hate on IdrA onto.) just wanna clarify that i didn't attack you personally and didn't put words in your mouth.. what i said stands on very strong legs, just browse around any thread about idra, wasn't specifically talking about you, i was talking about a group of people that i felt you belong to additionally i don't really get this whole hate thing. you were the one generalizing first that people are raging blindly at him, etc which is simply not true. you proceeded to defend him with stuff like he is respectful to everyone besidess protoss players and he doesn't gg too soon. omg that's something to admire;). so i am the one blindly hating, when you try to defend him that he is sometimes able to show obviously standard behavior sorry to burst your bubble, but you're the one being too subjective. i don't like him, but i don't try to belittle his achievements, you on the other hand are trying to make him seem better than he really is. and i don't like dozens of other people either, who are mannered or anything. i am able to have a bad opinion about someone without screaming with a red face. Good, you're starting to sound more rational. First off, thanks for clarifying what you thought. Now on to the main point: I read through 8 pages of irrational IdrA hate and was wondering what was going on, with most of their posts containing outdated information that they spew out just to get a reaction from fans and regular readers alike. I felt compelled to correct them, seeing as these people aren't actually giving legitimate reasons nowadays, and that I did try (writing down what IdrA has been doing recently to address their points), and my post caught your attention in a negative way, with you thinking that I'm one of the IdrA fanboys that you don't personally like trying to make him into some sort of angel. Then, whether intentional or not, you started attacking me. My response to attacks is to automatically assume that the person is either simply lashing at me due to their anger, which I usually ignore, or just address all their points and give out more of my opinions. If you inspect my posts, you'll realize that I was just responding to each post that quoted me to clearly state my points and clear any confusion. But what do I get? > you're just angry that not everyone thinks he is as awesome as you do, which is a behavior that's difficult to take seriously >or saying that his results vs his teammate don't show that he is the sc2 god is nothing like that >and he's been an asshole so many countless times, maybe that's the reason you love him, but you know, rational people generally don't love assholes, so that shouldn't be too hard to understand Then suddenly: >just wanna clarify that i didn't attack you personally and didn't put words in your mouth >you on the other hand are trying to make him seem better than he really is At this point, I was facepalming. The 2nd point over there is particularly funny, because I never intended to do any of the sort. I was just informing people what IdrA has been doing lately besides his laddering (which was compiled into a 10 minute video for your amusement, or rage, depending on what type of humor you prefer) and what he has been trying to do recently both inside and outside of the game. If you took all that info as blind fanboyism, then be my guest.
when was i being irrational? maybe it wasn't clear what i meant but i wasn't irrational.
btw saying that i felt like you think idra is more awesome than he really is, and i can't take it seriously, or saying that liking an asshole is irrational is hardly a personal attack or putting words in your mouth. by that logic you saying "you're starting to sound more rational" is a personal attack too. you know, we can communicate how we disagree with such ways, without licking each other and even without the danger to insult each other to death. stop misinterpreting me
about your facepalm moment, i told you already i was generalizing, talking about this whole group of people which i felt you belong to, which maybe wasn't the best thing. later on i clarified that i meant you're trying to make idra seem better than he really does, which i still think, but you're clearly not as blind of a fanboy than many others (which i btw never really said you are).
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People are just retarded. You can't really put much weight into most of the crap you read on tl. Just let the haters hate and spread the love in idra fanclub
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