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On October 05 2011 02:25 turamn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 02:24 Buff345 wrote:On October 04 2011 21:27 tnud wrote:
Well, I can't speak for others but, as what you might call an IdrA hater I can't stand him. He's complaining way to much, which eggs on his legion of fans to bring up non-issues. He's a poor loser (to say the least), a pretty bad winner and his fighting spirit is horrible.
He IS a very good zerg, I know that. But I will forever root for the opposing player until IdrA learns how to be a winner and not just a "solid macro zerg". Cheese once in a while god damn it, something different. :/ + Show Spoiler +He actually cheesed elfi the last game of the iem finals. He also 6 pooled Jinro in the GSL Everyone cheeses. It's part of the game.
u gotta skate
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Balance whiners, rabid Idra fanboys, and the Broodwar fans who incessantly make it known how much better they think BW is than SC2 every chance they get are the plague of the TL forums.
IdrA is a very good and entertaining player but his unnecessary BM towards certain players is uncalled for.
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On October 05 2011 02:22 Nimic wrote:
Tyler needs to take some PR lessons. I guess that's one less stream I'll be watching, or one less player I'll be supporting.
I am sure he will miss you. Personally, I respect him for saying what he thinks. I will still show up anytime he streams.
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On October 05 2011 02:24 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 02:22 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 05 2011 02:16 RajaF wrote:On October 05 2011 02:11 zdragon wrote:On October 05 2011 02:08 RajaF wrote:On October 05 2011 02:06 zdragon wrote:On October 05 2011 02:00 RajaF wrote:On October 05 2011 01:55 msjakofsky wrote:On October 05 2011 01:50 RajaF wrote:On October 05 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:[quote] lol clearly the joke went over your head. but to take you seriously anyway, don't flatter yourself. the community hardly plays an important role in anything. most fans and professionals and busy bodies don't take part in the community. 99% of the time, the community simply talks in circles around every issue. people like doing that because they like saying their opinion and they can't get enough of sc2 so they talk about it when they're not watching/playing it. no one is getting paid because Person A logs into a forum and says "apples" and Person B logs into a forum and says "oranges". it may be true that as spectators of esports, they contribute to the industry. but that has nothing to do with their participation in the community. you've got to separate their actions. basically, i like my fans and dislike the community. if a lot of my fans participate in the community, then that's something we've got to work on...  It's really funny that you trash the community that your team (you know, team liquid) is supported by. Maybe this so called shitty comunity should work on getting your fans to see what an arrogant person you are. Then maybe when no one watches you play anymore and your sponsors stop caring about you, you'll start appreciating this community more. it doesn't really work that way you know... anyone can register to these forums, i am a good example e, because i am not a fan of any TL player or any player at all, just like to sign in and argue about shit. why should he care more about your opinion than you care about a random guy's from a random place in the world? just because these people like starcraft 2 and registered at a forum? I don't care what he cares about or not. As far as I'm concerned, LiquidTyler is a bad player that I don't follow and I don't care about. And I also don't care about what he thinks about this community in private. However he is a representative of his team and this community by extension. And if this is the public image and message that Team Liquid wants to put out, that we're basically all just a pair of worthless eyeballs to them, then I'd rather take my 2 cents of advertising dollars and opinion to another site which at least puts the effort in not to insult me. If you make bad posts, hold ignorant ideas, and generally spout bullshit, why should anyone coddle you so you don't feel insulted? Wow, that effort bit was meant to be sarcastic. Is it that hard to hold back from insulting someone on the internet? I did not realize that some people need to put in extra effort to stfu. I have no problem with insulting people on the internet. We don't know each other, we never will, the only thing we can judge each other on is the merit of our argument. Here's what you don't get: you're nothing. No one gives a shit about you, your opinion, or anything about you. So stop being so butthurt and insulted when someone says it. Well, if Tyler used to be a nice guy before, I can see how people like you made him bitter twoards the rest of us. So what you are telling me is that you would be a complete asshole in real life also, but you are too chickenshit to do it so you go on to vent on the internet. used to? boo-hoo hes not nice to you therefore hes not a nice person at all,whether as to why hes bitter,I don't know,I'm not going to speculate,if he wants to explain why exactly,then he will. oh wait-hes right our argument will keep going in circles. Not nice to me? When did he ever address me specifically? He was not nice to a whole community of a few thousand people. That makes him not a nice guy in my book.
And why do you assume that I lumped myself in with people like you that make this forum the cesspool that it is sometime?
The way you post is a good tell.
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He gets hate because he is a dick, always whines, and is never a good sport. The only way you can look past that is if you are a blind fanboy. He is a damn good player but anyone who says he doesn't pull some rude shit is just ignoring the fact.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
On October 05 2011 02:24 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 02:22 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 05 2011 02:16 RajaF wrote:On October 05 2011 02:11 zdragon wrote:On October 05 2011 02:08 RajaF wrote:On October 05 2011 02:06 zdragon wrote:On October 05 2011 02:00 RajaF wrote:On October 05 2011 01:55 msjakofsky wrote:On October 05 2011 01:50 RajaF wrote:On October 05 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:[quote] lol clearly the joke went over your head. but to take you seriously anyway, don't flatter yourself. the community hardly plays an important role in anything. most fans and professionals and busy bodies don't take part in the community. 99% of the time, the community simply talks in circles around every issue. people like doing that because they like saying their opinion and they can't get enough of sc2 so they talk about it when they're not watching/playing it. no one is getting paid because Person A logs into a forum and says "apples" and Person B logs into a forum and says "oranges". it may be true that as spectators of esports, they contribute to the industry. but that has nothing to do with their participation in the community. you've got to separate their actions. basically, i like my fans and dislike the community. if a lot of my fans participate in the community, then that's something we've got to work on... It's really funny that you trash the community that your team (you know, team liquid) is supported by. Maybe this so called shitty comunity should work on getting your fans to see what an arrogant person you are. Then maybe when no one watches you play anymore and your sponsors stop caring about you, you'll start appreciating this community more. it doesn't really work that way you know... anyone can register to these forums, i am a good example e, because i am not a fan of any TL player or any player at all, just like to sign in and argue about shit. why should he care more about your opinion than you care about a random guy's from a random place in the world? just because these people like starcraft 2 and registered at a forum? I don't care what he cares about or not. As far as I'm concerned, LiquidTyler is a bad player that I don't follow and I don't care about. And I also don't care about what he thinks about this community in private. However he is a representative of his team and this community by extension. And if this is the public image and message that Team Liquid wants to put out, that we're basically all just a pair of worthless eyeballs to them, then I'd rather take my 2 cents of advertising dollars and opinion to another site which at least puts the effort in not to insult me. If you make bad posts, hold ignorant ideas, and generally spout bullshit, why should anyone coddle you so you don't feel insulted? Wow, that effort bit was meant to be sarcastic. Is it that hard to hold back from insulting someone on the internet? I did not realize that some people need to put in extra effort to stfu. I have no problem with insulting people on the internet. We don't know each other, we never will, the only thing we can judge each other on is the merit of our argument. Here's what you don't get: you're nothing. No one gives a shit about you, your opinion, or anything about you. So stop being so butthurt and insulted when someone says it. Well, if Tyler used to be a nice guy before, I can see how people like you made him bitter twoards the rest of us. So what you are telling me is that you would be a complete asshole in real life also, but you are too chickenshit to do it so you go on to vent on the internet. used to? boo-hoo hes not nice to you therefore hes not a nice person at all,whether as to why hes bitter,I don't know,I'm not going to speculate,if he wants to explain why exactly,then he will. oh wait-hes right our argument will keep going in circles. Not nice to me? When did he ever address me specifically? He was not nice to a whole community of a few thousand people. That makes him not a nice guy in my book. And why do you assume that I lumped myself in with people like you that make this forum the cesspool that it is sometime?
I don't make this forum a cesspool,don't act as if you know my role in this community.
On October 05 2011 02:27 Apollo_Shards wrote:
Balance whiners, rabid Idra fanboys, and the Broodwar fans who incessantly make it known how much better they think BW is than SC2 every chance they get are the plague of the TL forums.
IdrA is a very good and entertaining player but his unnecessary BM towards certain players is uncalled for.
when was the last time that happened?
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This thread shows that Idra is one of the most popular (if not thee most popular) SC2 player in the world. Whether you like him or hate him the constant exposure that everybody gives him is the greatest thing he can ask for.
Idra fighting :D
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On October 05 2011 02:22 Nimic wrote:
Tyler needs to take some PR lessons. I guess that's one less stream I'll be watching, or one less player I'll be supporting.
IMO that is the last thing Tyler needs.
People whine that they want the "real" opinions and thoughts of the people they are interested in, but then get repelled when they get it and it is not what they wanted to hear.
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On October 05 2011 02:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 02:24 RajaF wrote:On October 05 2011 02:22 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 05 2011 02:16 RajaF wrote:On October 05 2011 02:11 zdragon wrote:On October 05 2011 02:08 RajaF wrote:On October 05 2011 02:06 zdragon wrote:On October 05 2011 02:00 RajaF wrote:On October 05 2011 01:55 msjakofsky wrote:On October 05 2011 01:50 RajaF wrote:
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It's really funny that you trash the community that your team (you know, team liquid) is supported by.
Maybe this so called shitty comunity should work on getting your fans to see what an arrogant person you are. Then maybe when no one watches you play anymore and your sponsors stop caring about you, you'll start appreciating this community more. it doesn't really work that way you know... anyone can register to these forums, i am a good example e, because i am not a fan of any TL player or any player at all, just like to sign in and argue about shit. why should he care more about your opinion than you care about a random guy's from a random place in the world? just because these people like starcraft 2 and registered at a forum? I don't care what he cares about or not. As far as I'm concerned, LiquidTyler is a bad player that I don't follow and I don't care about. And I also don't care about what he thinks about this community in private. However he is a representative of his team and this community by extension. And if this is the public image and message that Team Liquid wants to put out, that we're basically all just a pair of worthless eyeballs to them, then I'd rather take my 2 cents of advertising dollars and opinion to another site which at least puts the effort in not to insult me. If you make bad posts, hold ignorant ideas, and generally spout bullshit, why should anyone coddle you so you don't feel insulted? Wow, that effort bit was meant to be sarcastic. Is it that hard to hold back from insulting someone on the internet? I did not realize that some people need to put in extra effort to stfu. I have no problem with insulting people on the internet. We don't know each other, we never will, the only thing we can judge each other on is the merit of our argument. Here's what you don't get: you're nothing. No one gives a shit about you, your opinion, or anything about you. So stop being so butthurt and insulted when someone says it. Well, if Tyler used to be a nice guy before, I can see how people like you made him bitter twoards the rest of us. So what you are telling me is that you would be a complete asshole in real life also, but you are too chickenshit to do it so you go on to vent on the internet. used to? boo-hoo hes not nice to you therefore hes not a nice person at all,whether as to why hes bitter,I don't know,I'm not going to speculate,if he wants to explain why exactly,then he will. oh wait-hes right our argument will keep going in circles. Not nice to me? When did he ever address me specifically? He was not nice to a whole community of a few thousand people. That makes him not a nice guy in my book. And why do you assume that I lumped myself in with people like you that make this forum the cesspool that it is sometime? I don't make this forum a cesspool,don't act as if you know my role in this community.
Hey man, I'm new here. Never said anything bad about you, I don't know you. Yet somehow you decided to tell me to log off and go someplace else because I had the outrageous idea to post an opinion about a guy that (like it or not) represents Team Liquid. Is that how you treat all new people?
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On October 05 2011 02:30 Junichi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 02:22 Nimic wrote:
Tyler needs to take some PR lessons. I guess that's one less stream I'll be watching, or one less player I'll be supporting. IMO that is the last thing Tyler needs. People whine that they want the "real" opinions and thoughts of the people they are interested in, but then get repelled when they get it and it is not what they wanted to hear.
I'm gonna +1 your post. This is exactly it, everyone craves for honest figures in the community but then cry if he doesn't sugar coat everything. Chill toss = Best toss
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The community is the one which attracts sponsors. I guess dont bite the hand that feeds you doesnt apply to some players.
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On October 05 2011 02:27 Apollo_Shards wrote:
Balance whiners, rabid Idra fanboys, and the Broodwar fans who incessantly make it known how much better they think BW is than SC2 every chance they get are the plague of the TL forums.
IdrA is a very good and entertaining player but his unnecessary BM towards certain players is uncalled for.
Broodwar and its track record of near perfect balance speak volumes and do not need discussion.
Broodwar and the mechanics it takes to be a professional speak volumes and do not need discussion.
"Better" is a dumb word anyways.
Furthermore, I would venture to guess that more sc2 kids play in the bw forums than vice versa. those who are locked into bw are locked in.
IdrA must have played well; I will definitely be watching the Puma vods tonight. Elfi is a flash in the pan - it is a shame there were not more big namers at the tournament.
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IdrA drinks the tears of all the haters and it makes him even stronger. This rage is foolish, let's just be happy that a foreigner dominated two excellent Korean players and took the tourney. Or you could sit in your rooms with your "I Hate Idra" posters and bitch for the next thirty pages. Your choice...
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On October 04 2011 21:53 PlaGuE_R wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 21:50 Benzzro wrote:On October 04 2011 21:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 21:41 Hetz wrote:
Idra is a great player. Protoss indeed is way to easy being way too strong. The effort put into vs the reward, thats what he is trying to say, and he is totally right.
Besides, since the last patch, I heard zerg win rates vs protoss are dropping at an amazing rate. Protoss is way too easy? seriously? SERIOUSLY? no. just....no, no, no, no and again no. if mediocre zergs like IdrA cant beat protosses that doesnt mean that Protoss is too easy. The fact that IdrA beat MC shows that zerg is too easy. Look at GSL, + Show Spoiler +only ONE protoss got out of the group stages....and he just lost 0-2 to, what was it, CoCa....what race is he again? oh yes, a Zerg. so don't you bring balance whining to the table, cuz i could give a fucking carpet list that proves that protoss is underpowered if you wanted, and that STILL wouldn't do anything good for anyone! so don't about imbalance when you're clearly wrong, and IdrA is clearly wrong and has been wrong about ZvP for about 8 months now. Actually, he was right. Even though that guy said a dumb comment, please don't say equally retarded things making Protoss look bad. Protoss used to be easy vs Zergs, just mass Collosi with blink stalkers. It was never hard 5-6 months ago. Now it is sorry, IdrA has been wrong about ZvP for the last 6 months, because he STILL claims the same bullshit that he did back when zerg didnt understand how to deal with the death ball. "oh, he just won cause hes a protoss" no, he won cuz you suck at this match up and instead of actively improving you blame it on imbalance. equally retarded? did + Show Spoiler +SangHo not JUST get raped by CoCa?
you're right, you are more retarded. using singular games without even any explanation or description as the entire basis of your argumentation is quite idiotic.
User was warned for this post
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
On October 05 2011 02:33 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 02:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I don't make this forum a cesspool,don't act as if you know my role in this community.
Hey man, I'm new here. Never said anything bad about you, I don't know you. Yet somehow you decided to tell me to log off and go someplace else because I had the outrageous idea to post an opinion about a guy that (like it or not) represents Team Liquid. Is that how you treat all new people?
just you bro,just you.to make things clear I didn't tell you to get lost,I said if you want to leave then leave.
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On October 05 2011 02:11 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 01:57 KanoCoke wrote:On October 05 2011 01:31 msjakofsky wrote:On October 05 2011 01:21 KanoCoke wrote:On October 05 2011 01:05 msjakofsky wrote:On October 05 2011 01:02 KanoCoke wrote:
It's funny how so many people talking crap about IdrA in this thread are mentioning a lot of the things IdrA has done in the past, and aren't even looking at his games in IEM.
IdrA finally mixed things up, taking down Elfi in the last game with a speedling roach all-in after he noticed Elfi commiting to a forge fast expand in Xel'Naga Caverns. You guys got what you wanted with him actually varying his strategies (even with his late game tech switches), and IdrA actually never left a game too early, always played out the games until he either won or lost really badly (especially the games against PuMa), and also was fairly respectful to everyone besides Protoss players that use strategies he personally didn't like (which just so happened to be Elfi).
Instead of just repeating what everyone else is raging about blindly, these people should actually just shut up and watch first. maybe you should notice first that most of the people have a problem with his personality, not his play. noone thinks he is a bad player. and not thinking he is the best in the world is still not "talking crap about him", even if his fans think so Go back and read through the early several pages again, and tell me they aren't just blindly hating on him. Read through their reasons on why they hate him. His personality is just hit or miss, but both sides of the spectrum love spewing shit. I'm here to correct that, and make sure both sides actually know what they're talking about instead of spewing what they heard 6 or so months ago. Yes, IdrA regularly talks shit, and often gets flamed for it, but at least he isn't a liar about what he thinks, and says exactly what is on his mind. This is why I don't mind his personality, as I know a lot of people that are just blunt about their intentions or thoughts. He's a good ZvT player that focuses on mid-game muta harass and late-game tech, which is why he always used to get taken out in the early game. People keep saying that he never learns and just keeps doing the same things over and over, but he clearly has adjusted his build orders to protect himself against early rushes and hellion harass, and has adapted different tactics to suit different maps (like his double evo on 2 base quick upgrades on big maps). People kept on saying that he just sticks to roach hydra against Protoss and just whines after he loses, but IdrA actually used a variety of builds to win himself a major title. You guys talk about how he has a shit personality, but you see him in recent interviews being amiable, even humorous, and interacting more often with the community via stream and posting on the SC2 tourneys threads. When raging about IdrA, you guys should use better or newer excuses. i don't remember anyone saying he is a bad player. saying that he is overrated or that he's inconsistent or saying that his results vs his teammate don't show that he is the sc2 god is nothing like that, it's just his fans that don't know the difference. he is a good player, everyone knows that. not being a liar is not a thing to admire, not to mention that if he in fact is a nice person than he is fake. noone rages about idra. you're just angry that not everyone thinks he is as awesome as you do, which is a behavior that's difficult to take seriously and he's been an asshole so many countless times, maybe that's the reason you love him, but you know, rational people generally don't love assholes, so that shouldn't be too hard to understand And here's the generic personal attack reply attempting to put words into other people's mouths. I never said in any of my posts that I think IdrA is a god. In fact, I just said he's a good ZvT player. Note the difference. Posting while angry often makes people spout bullshit, and even more bullshit when they realize that their argument doesn't have much legs to stand on, and much moreso when they find people that don't agree 100% to what they're saying. As a matter of fact, I'm not even angry. I just got into the SC2 scene during the Super Tournament and only managed to know about IdrA after checking for more info about BoxeR's transition into SC2. I found out how IdrA just used to live in Korea as a pro-gamer and went back to the US and started flopping due to lack of practice (which he admits to). I also got to know how PuMa is a great TvPer judging from how he managed to defeat MC in two tournament finals, but wasn't sure about his TvZ (which I found out later was actually pretty good, due to his effective ghost usage in late-game). Then here you guys go trying to de-legitimise IdrA's win over PuMa by saying PuMa lost on purpose. When hating on a particular person, you narrow your vision and just focus on everything you can possibly hate about them and all responses that aren't exactly siding with you all look like they're on the opposite side of your view. It happens to a lot of people, and it's clearly happening to you, as now you are clearly convinced that I'm this huge IdrA fanboy that thinks that he is the God of Starcraft II. You are also clearly convinced that I like assholes simply because it adds to your convenience so you can hate on both IdrA and me more, without trying to even confirm if I do like assholes or not (and I don't like assholes, I just think IdrA's a blunt, slightly egotistic, yet funny dude, but no, think what you want to think because you obviously have no intent to actually find out what I think in the first place. You just want someone to target your hate on IdrA onto.) just wanna clarify that i didn't attack you personally and didn't put words in your mouth.. what i said stands on very strong legs, just browse around any thread about idra, wasn't specifically talking about you, i was talking about a group of people that i felt you belong to additionally i don't really get this whole hate thing. you were the one generalizing first that people are raging blindly at him, etc which is simply not true. you proceeded to defend him with stuff like he is respectful to everyone besidess protoss players and he doesn't gg too soon. omg that's something to admire;). so i am the one blindly hating, when you try to defend him that he is sometimes able to show obviously standard behavior sorry to burst your bubble, but you're the one being too subjective. i don't like him, but i don't try to belittle his achievements, you on the other hand are trying to make him seem better than he really is. and i don't like dozens of other people either, who are mannered or anything. i am able to have a bad opinion about someone without screaming with a red face.
Good, you're starting to sound more rational.
First off, thanks for clarifying what you thought. Now on to the main point:
I read through 8 pages of irrational IdrA hate and was wondering what was going on, with most of their posts containing outdated information that they spew out just to get a reaction from fans and regular readers alike. I felt compelled to correct them, seeing as these people aren't actually giving legitimate reasons nowadays, and that I did try (writing down what IdrA has been doing recently to address their points), and my post caught your attention in a negative way, with you thinking that I'm one of the IdrA fanboys that you don't personally like trying to make him into some sort of angel. Then, whether intentional or not, you started attacking me. My response to attacks is to automatically assume that the person is either simply lashing at me due to their anger, which I usually ignore, or just address all their points and give out more of my opinions.
If you inspect my posts, you'll realize that I was just responding to each post that quoted me to clearly state my points and clear any confusion. But what do I get?
> you're just angry that not everyone thinks he is as awesome as you do, which is a behavior that's difficult to take seriously
>or saying that his results vs his teammate don't show that he is the sc2 god is nothing like that
>and he's been an asshole so many countless times, maybe that's the reason you love him, but you know, rational people generally don't love assholes, so that shouldn't be too hard to understand
Then suddenly:
>just wanna clarify that i didn't attack you personally and didn't put words in your mouth
>you on the other hand are trying to make him seem better than he really is
At this point, I was facepalming. The 2nd point over there is particularly funny, because I never intended to do any of the sort. I was just informing people what IdrA has been doing lately besides his laddering (which was compiled into a 10 minute video for your amusement, or rage, depending on what type of humor you prefer) and what he has been trying to do recently both inside and outside of the game. If you took all that info as blind fanboyism, then be my guest.
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Wow what a worthless thread, someone close this asap.
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On October 05 2011 02:22 BLinD-RawR wrote:
used to?
boo-hoo hes not nice to you therefore hes not a nice person at all,whether as to why hes bitter,I don't know,I'm not going to speculate,if he wants to explain why exactly,then he will.
oh wait-hes right our argument will keep going in circles.
could be because he visited TL strategy forums? that can break any man
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