EPT[IEM SPOILER] Oh the IdrA hate... - Page 7
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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Suc
Australia1569 Posts
Did you not see all the "GRACK IS BACK" stuff on reddit and the pages in his fan club congratulating him on his win? Sure there's some hate mixed in there, but who cares, do we really need to discuss it? If you like him - root for him. If you don't - just don't... No real need to have a thread about it imo. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10696 Posts
Which is A stupid and B plain annoying. | ||
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Johnzee
United States216 Posts
Can't remember the exact episode but iNcontroL was talking about IdrA playing 20 games in a row versus Puma in training on SOTG. Maybe he's finally got that "eye of the tiger" thing going on now, and if so his "controversy" will stabilize around the fun aspects of his character (like his BM) instead of the disappointing aspects (blame-shifting, inconsistency, tendency to give up). | ||
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Valmar
Finland8 Posts
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hoby2000
United States918 Posts
I believe that this has been months in the making. I'm not claiming that previous losses were apart of his plan, but I do think that he purposely talks so much shit because he knows that this is going to affect his opponents one way or another. His losses are indeed a lack-of-skill, but in time he will start doing a lot better because people will continue to think he's a weak player due to the fact that he talks so much crap. This idea of playing mind games at this level though is not uncommon. Nestea seems to be a huge advocate of this kind of thing, because every final he has been in, he wasn't scared of losing. He is constantly saying in pre-finals interviews that he expects to win almost always either 4-0 or 4-1 - This creates a mindset for his opponent to be in, which Nestea can pick apart. When his opponents tailor builds to defeat him, Nestea is given the upper hand because he understands botht mindset of himself and his opponent which is critical in almost every strategy game. TL;DR - IdrA's BM is a mind game, and other champions have used similar tactics that weren't so obvious. People who hate IdrA for his BM simply do not comprehend what he's trying to do. | ||
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Mizzit
United States9 Posts
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Skeet11
United States15 Posts
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CajunMan
United States823 Posts
 even though he was in a slump but seems to have worked hard to get this win the step up in practicing has obviously helped gj Idra!! Anyone know where the vods are? | ||
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alan25
United States379 Posts
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
I just don't like when people try and take credit from others. For instance Foreigners vs Koreans in TSL, idra vs puma etc.. it was a great day for idra, EG and NA's SC2! | ||
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CroDeadman
Croatia76 Posts
I played broodwar with idra and we played a lot friendly 1v1's the kid always came across as a ego-centric douche and that still hasn't changed, I do not like him as a person but as a player he is very good but NOT as good as his fanboys make him out to be, there are at least 5 better "foreigner" zergs then him. His personality-wise I think Rekrul summed it up best in his posts that were posted quite a long time ago, but are still applicable. In short, good player not a likeable person. And I really really dislike these kinds of threads because they just fuel the e-wars between "fanboys" and "haters" and the only thing those things result in is him having more publicity which he imho, does not deserve. Spotlight should be on people like Stephano, Ret, Dimaga and Nerchio (you know the guy who Idra refused to show up against cuz he knew he'd most likely lose) and I probably forgot a few more. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Now i just dislike his fans more than him, like the guy above trying to claim his BM is 'mindgames'. How fucking naive are you? He used to bm in random ladder games all the time that no one else would ever see, he's just a typical sort of player that can't help losing it and making comments. Calling people faggots on the ladder and acting like a stereotypical USEast kid is not being some master of mindgames for fuck sake, get a grip. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=271676 case and point | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On October 04 2011 21:16 HystericaLaughter wrote: Am I the only person who is a little bit surprised by how negative the community is towards one player? I know IdrA is very outspoken on balance and how he feels Protoss is hugely overpowered versus Zerg, but is that really a good enough excuse for all the negative comments he receives? IEM spoiler: + Show Spoiler + Only a few hours ago IdrA won IEM, and in that time there has been so much de-legitimising of his series against Puma. People don't seem to recognise just how phenomenaly he played and think that Puma cannot be outplayed and every mistake he made was part of his plan to throw the series. Noticeably on the 'best foreigner poll' thread and that hilarious conspiracy theory thread that the now banned Spasticated made. I want to hear from those who think he is a bad player exactly why they think so. Because I personally think he is a fantastic player, who has a matchup lagging significantly behind the other two. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if they think he is overrated that is fine of course, but denying the fact that he is a top foreigner is a bit silly imo. Do you mean he is top foreigner in the sense top 5 or in the sense one of the best foreigners meaning like top 20-30. Because the second is pretty clearly true, but the first is on the other hand pretty clearly false ( if you use some reasonable metric of "being top" ). As for hate towards Idra, I would say you reap what you sow, and I do not mean his ridiculous statements about balance, I mean his constant bashing of other players, some actually better than him. And as for delegitimizing his win, some people are just like that, he won with very good play and deserved the win. Although people are overrating his win against Puma as I do not think Puma is that good of a player in TvZ (compared to the best code S Korean terrans, in general he is of course extremely good), I was much more impressed with his win against Revival. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On October 04 2011 22:41 hoby2000 wrote: I think what a lot of people don't understand from IdrA's BM is that he's trying to play mind games at a level most do not comprehend. He makes himself or his opponent seem weaker by claiming that other players are either not as good as people perceive them to be, or only as good as their supposedly "imbalanced" race. What this does is create a mindset for players who face off against him because they think he will be too ever eager, or will not try hard enough to win since he believes that the odds are against him. With this mindset, IdrA will be able to conquer his opponents easily because they will misunderstand him as a player. I believe that this has been months in the making. I'm not claiming that previous losses were apart of his plan, but I do think that he purposely talks so much shit because he knows that this is going to affect his opponents one way or another. His losses are indeed a lack-of-skill, but in time he will start doing a lot better because people will continue to think he's a weak player due to the fact that he talks so much crap. This idea of playing mind games at this level though is not uncommon. Nestea seems to be a huge advocate of this kind of thing, because every final he has been in, he wasn't scared of losing. He is constantly saying in pre-finals interviews that he expects to win almost always either 4-0 or 4-1 - This creates a mindset for his opponent to be in, which Nestea can pick apart. When his opponents tailor builds to defeat him, Nestea is given the upper hand because he understands botht mindset of himself and his opponent which is critical in almost every strategy game. TL;DR - IdrA's BM is a mind game, and other champions have used similar tactics that weren't so obvious. People who hate IdrA for his BM simply do not comprehend what he's trying to do. That is the most ridiculous theory ever (or his mind games are terribly ineffective) as the only one who seems to be affected by them is Idra. Did you not see his games in recent months, MC, HuK and countless others totally mindfucked Idra to the point that he defeats himself more often than not. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On October 04 2011 21:16 HystericaLaughter wrote: Am I the only person who is a little bit surprised by how negative the community is towards one player? I know IdrA is very outspoken on balance and how he feels Protoss is hugely overpowered versus Zerg, but is that really a good enough excuse for all the negative comments he receives? Absolutely yes. What goes around, comes around. Show respect to others if you want to be universally liked/respected. That said, I had no idea about the [spoiler]. ;o | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On October 04 2011 21:16 HystericaLaughter wrote: Am I the only person who is a little bit surprised by how negative the community is towards one player? I know IdrA is very outspoken on balance and how he feels Protoss is hugely overpowered versus Zerg, but is that really a good enough excuse for all the negative comments he receives? You know that after Chill banned him ( for 1 day or 2) he asked to his fans on twitter to harass him on teamliquid right? | ||
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Rokevo
Finland1033 Posts
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msjakofsky
1169 Posts
On October 04 2011 21:16 HystericaLaughter wrote: Am I the only person who is a little bit surprised by how negative the community is towards one player? I know IdrA is very outspoken on balance and how he feels Protoss is hugely overpowered versus Zerg, but is that really a good enough excuse for all the negative comments he receives? IEM spoiler: + Show Spoiler + Only a few hours ago IdrA won IEM, and in that time there has been so much de-legitimising of his series against Puma. People don't seem to recognise just how phenomenaly he played and think that Puma cannot be outplayed and every mistake he made was part of his plan to throw the series. Noticeably on the 'best foreigner poll' thread and that hilarious conspiracy theory thread that the now banned Spasticated made. I want to hear from those who think he is a bad player exactly why they think so. Because I personally think he is a fantastic player, who has a matchup lagging significantly behind the other two. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if they think he is overrated that is fine of course, but denying the fact that he is a top foreigner is a bit silly imo. so you're admittedly a mindless idra fanboy and can't see how anybody on earth might think he is not God walking amongst people in human form. how strange | ||
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