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On October 04 2011 22:03 Benzzro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 21:55 Ruscour wrote:On October 04 2011 21:50 Benzzro wrote:On October 04 2011 21:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 21:41 Hetz wrote:
Idra is a great player. Protoss indeed is way to easy being way too strong. The effort put into vs the reward, thats what he is trying to say, and he is totally right.
Besides, since the last patch, I heard zerg win rates vs protoss are dropping at an amazing rate. Protoss is way too easy? seriously? SERIOUSLY? no. just....no, no, no, no and again no. if mediocre zergs like IdrA cant beat protosses that doesnt mean that Protoss is too easy. The fact that IdrA beat MC shows that zerg is too easy. Look at GSL, only ONE protoss got out of the group stages....and he just lost 0-2 to, what was it, CoCa....what race is he again? oh yes, a Zerg. so don't you bring balance whining to the table, cuz i could give a fucking carpet list that proves that protoss is underpowered if you wanted, and that STILL wouldn't do anything good for anyone! so don't about imbalance when you're clearly wrong, and IdrA is clearly wrong and has been wrong about ZvP for about 8 months now. Actually, he was right. Even though that guy said a dumb comment, please don't say equally retarded things making Protoss look bad. Protoss used to be easy vs Zergs, just mass Collosi with blink stalkers. It was never hard 5-6 months ago. Now it is ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Jvlvy.png) As a Terran player I'm sure you never followed it very closely, but it was never as bad as Zergs made it to be...they just love to complain. If a Zerg hits 70 drones uncontested they still win, the ones that refused to harass died to the deathball, mass Colossi with Blink Stalkers never worked...a smart Zerg would take the whole map and yes, Roach/Hydra/Corruptor was (and still is) viable if you have a far superior economy, which you can easily get against the 3base turtle style that Zerg claimed to be overpowerd. What an extraordinary post, a person showing me a graph of ladder games (Is it even Masters only?), that is trying to explain ZvP to me when he's a Terran player, and judging by your post probably in bronze league, oh lawd.
Learn your graphs, these are posted regularly from http://twitter.com/#!/sc2statistics. The author of these graphs gets his data from tournaments/cups and proleagues. Think whatever, but do some research before burning someone down in a reply.
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I dont think the hate is just about idra specificly, but EG aswell, there does seem a lot of hatred towards EG on these forums for some reason. I'm geussing a lot of the haters are supporters of team liquid too, the fanboyism on these forums does get a bit out of control but this is a TL website so cant really blame that.
What doesnt make sense is the same people constantly bashing certain players in EG for not performing well or calling them bad players, where as most of Teamliquid members have not really won a single meaningful game since SC2 was released. Not hating just cant stand hyprocrites.
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I used to like idra fanatically.
but honestly if you're an ass and can't back it up with good play (consistently) it's just not tolerable. Hopefully this marks a turnaround for idra considering his atrocious last couple of months.
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On October 04 2011 22:11 _Repo wrote:
I dont think the hate is just about idra specificly, but EG aswell, there does seem a lot of hatred towards EG on these forums for some reason. I'm geussing a lot of the haters are supporters of team liquid too, the fanboyism on these forums does get a bit out of control but this is a TL website so cant really blame that.
What doesnt make sense is the same people constantly bashing certain players in EG for not performing well or calling them bad players, where as most of Teamliquid members have not really won a single meaningful game since SC2 was released. Not hating just cant stand hyprocrites.
HuK won Dreamhack, Jinro won MLG and went back to back Semi finals in GSL, HuK won HSC3. Ret won Assembly. Ret won Blizz invitational, Sheth went 2nd at Blizz invitational US. not meaningful?
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No amount of skill can make me respect a player who behaves as badly as Idra does constantly. And I don't even think he is that skilled. Compared to how much BW and SC2 he has been practicing, his results are just very poor imo.
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It's quite funny how Idra generates like half of the clicks on TL.
I don't mind his BM or actually care, but this is the reason why he makes more money than any other sc2-player right now and I don't think this is a good development per se.
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The people I know 'hate' IdrA because they see him as mediocre player who whines/flames/cry about balance.
They don't 'hate' him per say, they just don't think he has the accomplishments in SC2 to act like he does. Now that he finally won something again maybe that will change..
Personnally I just think of IdrA's attitude as an act, and while I do not agree with the way he acts, he still has my respect as a player.
(Edit: Except when he GGs out too soon, but that seems to have changed)
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Good or fantastic player doesn't mean anything for me if he has bad manner.
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The guy is a tool.... He is flat-out disrepectful most of the time and if his shirts get any tighter then he is going to suffocate. The OP is a bit off too... the guy is not the best foreigner. He is good, but nowhere near the best. This is is first win in a long time.... honestly he has been subpar recently so I'm a bit surprised by his win.
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wow some hard core puma fanboys. idra 3-0ed him pretty legitly. his muta play in game 1 was at its absolute highest like seriously. puma played so passivily because he honestly had no other choice. if puma moved out even a inch idra was was in his main with mutas killing everything insight. this means that puma really had 2 choices. stick close to his bases and defend against mutas, or move out and try to end the game with what he had which would have just been a all in on pumas part because the mutas would have devastated his main and his expos if he moved out.
idras nydus play in that game was also top notch. he did litteraly everything he could to spread puma out and to keep him turtled up which is what u should do against a terran. usually its terran/puma spreading out his opponent with multiple drop harass. idra just gave him a taste of his own medicine really.
ppl really take things too far with this fanboyism crap. i mean going so far as to yell "conspiracy" or "the series was rigged"? what grounds do you ppl base that on? do u not remember the entire reason they set up the EG training house? it was for ppl like puma and idra to refine there play, and the evidence of how much both players improved over the months were shown in that series.
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On October 04 2011 22:15 PlaGuE_R wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 22:11 _Repo wrote:
I dont think the hate is just about idra specificly, but EG aswell, there does seem a lot of hatred towards EG on these forums for some reason. I'm geussing a lot of the haters are supporters of team liquid too, the fanboyism on these forums does get a bit out of control but this is a TL website so cant really blame that.
What doesnt make sense is the same people constantly bashing certain players in EG for not performing well or calling them bad players, where as most of Teamliquid members have not really won a single meaningful game since SC2 was released. Not hating just cant stand hyprocrites. HuK won Dreamhack, Jinro won MLG and went back to back Semi finals in GSL, HuK won HSC3. Ret won Assembly. Ret won Blizz invitational, Sheth went 2nd at Blizz invitational US. not meaningful?
I said "most", and sorry to break it to ya but Huk is EG now.
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I don't know the guy personally or anything, but Idra seems really immature. He seems like one of those kids who nobody really wants to hang out with, but for some reason developed a really big ego based off some moderate accomplishment.
Or you know that kid who would turn off the Nintendo and pout when he lost at viedogames, so you were all like "why do we even play with this guy?"... he seems like that kind of guy who never grew out of it.
From a purely psychological point of view, I think he got too much praise for small accomplishments when he was young, and so has developed an accute aversion to failure as an adult that gets seen when he employs all those psychological defensive mechanisms in-game to protect his ego (the BM, the early GGs, the unsportansman-like conduct).
Personally, I don't care for Idra because he's a bit too much like me.
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On October 04 2011 22:20 _Repo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 22:15 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:11 _Repo wrote:
I dont think the hate is just about idra specificly, but EG aswell, there does seem a lot of hatred towards EG on these forums for some reason. I'm geussing a lot of the haters are supporters of team liquid too, the fanboyism on these forums does get a bit out of control but this is a TL website so cant really blame that.
What doesnt make sense is the same people constantly bashing certain players in EG for not performing well or calling them bad players, where as most of Teamliquid members have not really won a single meaningful game since SC2 was released. Not hating just cant stand hyprocrites. HuK won Dreamhack, Jinro won MLG and went back to back Semi finals in GSL, HuK won HSC3. Ret won Assembly. Ret won Blizz invitational, Sheth went 2nd at Blizz invitational US. not meaningful? I said "most", and sorry to break it to ya but Huk is EG now.
He won these events when he was in Liquid. If I was a troll I would say, now that he is in eg he does't get out of pool play. But I'm not.
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i laughed my ass off at that thread. especially when he made a post agreeing with himself cuz he forgot to switch accounts. hilarious
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On October 04 2011 22:20 _Repo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 22:15 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:11 _Repo wrote:
I dont think the hate is just about idra specificly, but EG aswell, there does seem a lot of hatred towards EG on these forums for some reason. I'm geussing a lot of the haters are supporters of team liquid too, the fanboyism on these forums does get a bit out of control but this is a TL website so cant really blame that.
What doesnt make sense is the same people constantly bashing certain players in EG for not performing well or calling them bad players, where as most of Teamliquid members have not really won a single meaningful game since SC2 was released. Not hating just cant stand hyprocrites. HuK won Dreamhack, Jinro won MLG and went back to back Semi finals in GSL, HuK won HSC3. Ret won Assembly. Ret won Blizz invitational, Sheth went 2nd at Blizz invitational US. not meaningful? I said "most", and sorry to break it to ya but Huk is EG now.
sorry to break it to you, but HuK was in TL when he won. Now he's EG and not winning.... also "most" means that 1 out all the Liquid players didnt get results?
Jinro got results, TLO got results, Ret got results, HerO got results, Sheth got results, HuK got results. Only Tyler has been struggling, and we all know that he's not in the best state of mind right now, trust that if Tyler starts hardcore practicing he'll be a beast, can't wait to see how he does after the Red Bull LAN.
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Idra is a very controversial character. There are legions of fanboys and anti-fanboys ready to defend and attack him at the sign of the smallest provocation. This makes him very valuable to his sponsors and as long as he keeps posting results, they would rather have it no other way.
I would note, though, that his isn't the only rabid fanbase here (I still don't get all the love TL has for Stephano, for example), even if it is the loudest.
Also, his games with PuMa were awsome, but they weren't magnificient or anything. Idra missed a lot of clear opportunities to be agressive (imho) and PuMa made a few critical mistakes. Frankly, I think they were both too passive and this worked in Idra's favor (even though PuMa revels in the Terran late-game).
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Most people hate Idra because he is a badmannered noob who swears to players after he loses like wtf. He swore to Mana after he got owned like 3-0 or something and mana is like the nicest guy there is man and also he complains balance 24/7 so yeah thats why they hate him and they should because hes a immature noob.
Now you know he doesn't just complain balance but swears to players for no reason but because of losing to them like a noob then blames balance for it.
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On October 04 2011 21:55 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 21:50 Benzzro wrote:On October 04 2011 21:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 21:41 Hetz wrote:
Idra is a great player. Protoss indeed is way to easy being way too strong. The effort put into vs the reward, thats what he is trying to say, and he is totally right.
Besides, since the last patch, I heard zerg win rates vs protoss are dropping at an amazing rate. Protoss is way too easy? seriously? SERIOUSLY? no. just....no, no, no, no and again no. if mediocre zergs like IdrA cant beat protosses that doesnt mean that Protoss is too easy. The fact that IdrA beat MC shows that zerg is too easy. Look at GSL, only ONE protoss got out of the group stages....and he just lost 0-2 to, what was it, CoCa....what race is he again? oh yes, a Zerg. so don't you bring balance whining to the table, cuz i could give a fucking carpet list that proves that protoss is underpowered if you wanted, and that STILL wouldn't do anything good for anyone! so don't about imbalance when you're clearly wrong, and IdrA is clearly wrong and has been wrong about ZvP for about 8 months now. Actually, he was right. Even though that guy said a dumb comment, please don't say equally retarded things making Protoss look bad. Protoss used to be easy vs Zergs, just mass Collosi with blink stalkers. It was never hard 5-6 months ago. Now it is As a Terran player I'm sure you never followed it very closely, but it was never as bad as Zergs made it to be...they just love to complain. If a Zerg hits 70 drones uncontested they still win, the ones that refused to harass died to the deathball, mass Colossi with Blink Stalkers never worked...a smart Zerg would take the whole map and yes, Roach/Hydra/Corruptor was (and still is) viable if you have a far superior economy, which you can easily get against the 3base turtle style that Zerg claimed to be overpowerd.
Seeing as you preface the most with "As a Terran player" I will forgive you for your ignorance, but nothing in this post holds any truth.
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Do we really need thread for this ...
Maybe the poeople dont "hate" idra but rather his fans ?
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