[IEM SPOILER] Oh the IdrA hate... - Page 8

On October 04 2011 22:29 PlaGuE_R wrote:


sorry to break it to you, but HuK was in TL when he won. Now he's EG and not winning.... also "most" means that 1 out all the Liquid players didnt get results?

Jinro got results, TLO got results, Ret got results, HerO got results, Sheth got results, HuK got results. Only Tyler has been struggling, and we all know that he's not in the best state of mind right now, trust that if Tyler starts hardcore practicing he'll be a beast, can't wait to see how he does after the Red Bull LAN.

On October 04 2011 22:41 hoby2000 wrote:
I think what a lot of people don't understand from IdrA's BM is that he's trying to play mind games at a level most do not comprehend. He makes himself or his opponent seem weaker by claiming that other players are either not as good as people perceive them to be, or only as good as their supposedly "imbalanced" race. What this does is create a mindset for players who face off against him because they think he will be too ever eager, or will not try hard enough to win since he believes that the odds are against him. With this mindset, IdrA will be able to conquer his opponents easily because they will misunderstand him as a player.

I believe that this has been months in the making. I'm not claiming that previous losses were apart of his plan, but I do think that he purposely talks so much shit because he knows that this is going to affect his opponents one way or another. His losses are indeed a lack-of-skill, but in time he will start doing a lot better because people will continue to think he's a weak player due to the fact that he talks so much crap.

This idea of playing mind games at this level though is not uncommon. Nestea seems to be a huge advocate of this kind of thing, because every final he has been in, he wasn't scared of losing. He is constantly saying in pre-finals interviews that he expects to win almost always either 4-0 or 4-1 - This creates a mindset for his opponent to be in, which Nestea can pick apart. When his opponents tailor builds to defeat him, Nestea is given the upper hand because he understands botht mindset of himself and his opponent which is critical in almost every strategy game.

TL;DR - IdrA's BM is a mind game, and other champions have used similar tactics that weren't so obvious. People who hate IdrA for his BM simply do not comprehend what he's trying to do.

On October 04 2011 23:15 zarepath wrote:
I love IdrA's play, and I actually also love IdrA's comments because he'll call out bad play from players that everyone else in the community would be too "respectful" to call out. IdrA more often than not has specific critiques of his opponent that lead to him calling them "bad," not just random knee-jerk rage fests. So I love it when he calls players bad, not because it's funny/rude/whatever, but because he'll more often than not explain why.

If we can't talk about why players aren't as good as they should be, why are we even watching the games? The pretty graphics?

On October 04 2011 21:16 HystericaLaughter wrote:
Am I the only person who is a little bit surprised by how negative the community is towards one player? I know IdrA is very outspoken on balance and how he feels Protoss is hugely overpowered versus Zerg, but is that really a good enough excuse for all the negative comments he receives?

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I want to hear from those who think he is a bad player exactly why they think so. Because I personally think he is a fantastic player, who has a matchup lagging significantly behind the other two. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if they think he is overrated that is fine of course, but denying the fact that he is a top foreigner is a bit silly imo.

On October 04 2011 23:12 Roggay wrote:

You completely forgot Haypro

On October 04 2011 21:24 andycz wrote:
IdrA hate? What are you talking about, 85% people here go "zomg idra teh best foreigner" 24/7.

On October 04 2011 21:30 Orome wrote:
Idra polarizes. His haters are annoying, but his mindless fanboys are equally so. I mean for heaven's sake, someone in the LR thread said he was the Michael Jordan of Sc2.

On October 04 2011 21:27 tnud wrote:
Well, I can't speak for others but, as what you might call an IdrA hater I can't stand him. He's complaining way to much, which eggs on his legion of fans to bring up non-issues. He's a poor loser (to say the least), a pretty bad winner and his fighting spirit is horrible.

He IS a very good zerg, I know that. But I will forever root for the opposing player until IdrA learns how to be a winner and not just a "solid macro zerg". Cheese once in a while god damn it, something different. :/

On October 04 2011 23:21 PlaGuE_R wrote:


OMFG HAYDER IM SO SORRY!!!!!!!! >< god thats so awful >< HayprO didnt get any big results however he consistently does well in TL's team leagues, even taking a game off of SlayerS :D I'm sorry Hayder, I <3 you!

On October 04 2011 23:15 zarepath wrote:
I love IdrA's play, and I actually also love IdrA's comments because he'll call out bad play from players that everyone else in the community would be too "respectful" to call out. IdrA more often than not has specific critiques of his opponent that lead to him calling them "bad," not just random knee-jerk rage fests. So I love it when he calls players bad, not because it's funny/rude/whatever, but because he'll more often than not explain why.

If we can't talk about why players aren't as good as they should be, why are we even watching the games? The pretty graphics?

On October 04 2011 23:19 Kreb wrote:

Heh, I was kinda thinking the opposite. Idra gets way too much legatimising no matter what he does. Theres way too many people who are like "Hahahaha IdrA behaved like a total ass there and completely trash talked this other dude, he's so awesome!!!!".

The fact that he gets a lot of unnecessary hate is just a reaction to the silly amount of support he gets normally even though you could say he doesnt deserve it. Im not saying the hate is good (it isnt), but in the end its the rediculous amount of support he gets for behaving bad which triggers the hate, not the other way around.

On October 04 2011 23:16 mordk wrote:
I'd consider myself an Idra hater, the reasons being:

1.- He's got a TERRIBLE attitude, absolutely horrible mindset. He doesn't have a champion's mind AND gets mindless praise for that.

2.- He's a balance whiner, and one with terrible arguments and extremely close-minded. Sometimes it's so ridiculous it reminds me of schizophrenic delusions.

3.- He believes there's only one way to play the game, and if it doesn't work he's incapable of realizing his own mistakes or his opppnent's good play and instead blames it on the game. Seriously dude?

4.- He's a sore loser, with pathetic frustration tolerance problems. AND he's a terrible winner, uncapable of even respecting his opponents.

5.- He BMs way too much and in really disgusting forms and context. The classic example is comparing him to MC at MLG. You could tell MC was being a showman while Idra was just being a jackass.

6.- Finally, and worst of all, he has the most annoying fans ever, who will make a huge deal and completely overhype anything decent he does while at the same time praise him for behaving like a spoiled child. Disgusting.

All that said, he's a good SC player, he understands the game at a truly high level, which makes his attitude problems even worse since he could be so much better without them. I also realize how full of hate this post is, but you asked, I'm giving my thoughts.