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On October 04 2011 23:24 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 23:21 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 23:12 Roggay wrote:On October 04 2011 22:29 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:20 _Repo wrote:On October 04 2011 22:15 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:11 _Repo wrote:
I dont think the hate is just about idra specificly, but EG aswell, there does seem a lot of hatred towards EG on these forums for some reason. I'm geussing a lot of the haters are supporters of team liquid too, the fanboyism on these forums does get a bit out of control but this is a TL website so cant really blame that.
What doesnt make sense is the same people constantly bashing certain players in EG for not performing well or calling them bad players, where as most of Teamliquid members have not really won a single meaningful game since SC2 was released. Not hating just cant stand hyprocrites. HuK won Dreamhack, Jinro won MLG and went back to back Semi finals in GSL, HuK won HSC3. Ret won Assembly. Ret won Blizz invitational, Sheth went 2nd at Blizz invitational US. not meaningful? I said "most", and sorry to break it to ya but Huk is EG now. sorry to break it to you, but HuK was in TL when he won. Now he's EG and not winning.... also "most" means that 1 out all the Liquid players didnt get results? Jinro got results, TLO got results, Ret got results, HerO got results, Sheth got results, HuK got results. Only Tyler has been struggling, and we all know that he's not in the best state of mind right now, trust that if Tyler starts hardcore practicing he'll be a beast, can't wait to see how he does after the Red Bull LAN. You completely forgot Haypro  OMFG HAYDER IM SO SORRY!!!!!!!! >< god thats so awful >< HayprO didnt get any big results however he consistently does well in TL's team leagues, even taking a game off of SlayerS :D I'm sorry Hayder, I <3 you! To be fair Jinro/TLO's results are not recent, they've been slumping hard for longer than Idra. Sure the TL roster is playing better than Strifecro/Axslav/Incontrol/Lz but you can't fault EG for at least being loyal to their team (or waiting for contracts to expire, lol).
woah woah woah woah! I'm not faulting EG ANYTHING! they have an awesome team house, a really strong line up of star players (DeMusliM, IdrA, HuK and PuMa), they provide great content to the community (EGMasters Cup), and one of their players is one of our community's pillars (Hi Geoff)
EG is a great team, TL is a great team. I like EG but I love TL 
also: Jinro is coming out of his slump. He's been stomping people in IPL quals, only falling to really tough koreans, also Artosis says he's starting to beast it up. GOGO JINRO HWAITING! <3
and TLO didnt really "slump," if i remember correctly he went for surgery after(?) his best MLG run and couldnt practice at all for like 2 months. So i dont count it as a slump but more as an injury that set him back and he just needs to get back on form, kinda like DeMusliM with his arm. He was slumping too with his broken arm...look at him now :D go Ben! I love Ben
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I missed the finals but Idra's games vs. Puma were amazing. I saw 6 or 7 moments where the Idra I know would have a-moved into Puma's army and then gg'd promptly after. I honestly kept waiting for it to happen, but it didn't. Not this series, not this time. He played well, kept his head on straight, and completely outplayed one of the best Koreans in the world.
Often times Idra makes himself hard to root for what with the constant balance whine, premature gg's, BM, etc. but I can't help myself. And it's not for my secret love of zerg (I play Terran) or my desire to root for the foreigner, it's his unbelievable skill and talent and KNOWING that when he takes that next small step in his mental game he will be the force we all know he is capable of. His series vs. Puma was a small window into that Idra and I hope he continues on.
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On October 04 2011 23:24 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 23:21 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 23:12 Roggay wrote:On October 04 2011 22:29 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:20 _Repo wrote:On October 04 2011 22:15 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:11 _Repo wrote:
I dont think the hate is just about idra specificly, but EG aswell, there does seem a lot of hatred towards EG on these forums for some reason. I'm geussing a lot of the haters are supporters of team liquid too, the fanboyism on these forums does get a bit out of control but this is a TL website so cant really blame that.
What doesnt make sense is the same people constantly bashing certain players in EG for not performing well or calling them bad players, where as most of Teamliquid members have not really won a single meaningful game since SC2 was released. Not hating just cant stand hyprocrites. HuK won Dreamhack, Jinro won MLG and went back to back Semi finals in GSL, HuK won HSC3. Ret won Assembly. Ret won Blizz invitational, Sheth went 2nd at Blizz invitational US. not meaningful? I said "most", and sorry to break it to ya but Huk is EG now. sorry to break it to you, but HuK was in TL when he won. Now he's EG and not winning.... also "most" means that 1 out all the Liquid players didnt get results? Jinro got results, TLO got results, Ret got results, HerO got results, Sheth got results, HuK got results. Only Tyler has been struggling, and we all know that he's not in the best state of mind right now, trust that if Tyler starts hardcore practicing he'll be a beast, can't wait to see how he does after the Red Bull LAN. You completely forgot Haypro OMFG HAYDER IM SO SORRY!!!!!!!! >< god thats so awful >< HayprO didnt get any big results however he consistently does well in TL's team leagues, even taking a game off of SlayerS :D I'm sorry Hayder, I <3 you! To be fair Jinro/TLO's results are not recent, they've been slumping hard for longer than Idra. Sure the TL roster is playing better than Strifecro/Axslav/Incontrol/Lz but you can't fault EG for at least being loyal to their team (or waiting for contracts to expire, lol).
What are you implying about TL's loyalty? LOL
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On October 04 2011 23:16 mordk wrote:
I'd consider myself an Idra hater, the reasons being:
1.- He's got a TERRIBLE attitude, absolutely horrible mindset. He doesn't have a champion's mind AND gets mindless praise for that.
2.- He's a balance whiner, and one with terrible arguments and extremely close-minded. Sometimes it's so ridiculous it reminds me of schizophrenic delusions.
3.- He believes there's only one way to play the game, and if it doesn't work he's incapable of realizing his own mistakes or his opppnent's good play and instead blames it on the game. Seriously dude?
4.- He's a sore loser, with pathetic frustration tolerance problems. AND he's a terrible winner, uncapable of even respecting his opponents.
5.- He BMs way too much and in really disgusting forms and context. The classic example is comparing him to MC at MLG. You could tell MC was being a showman while Idra was just being a jackass.
6.- Finally, and worst of all, he has the most annoying fans ever, who will make a huge deal and completely overhype anything decent he does while at the same time praise him for behaving like a spoiled child. Disgusting.
All that said, he's a good SC player, he understands the game at a truly high level, which makes his attitude problems even worse since he could be so much better without them. I also realize how full of hate this post is, but you asked, I'm giving my thoughts.
I can't agree more. I would not say I am an IdrA hater, but I don't like the points about him you just said. It is mostly his way out of the game why I dislike him. Also the fans... I can't stand them.
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idra is no bad player
his views on zerg balance sometimes are just very whiny
he has the same problem as ronaldo or messi: retarded fanboys that make other people want him to lose for them to shut up
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On October 04 2011 22:29 PlaGuE_R wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 22:20 _Repo wrote:On October 04 2011 22:15 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:11 _Repo wrote:
I dont think the hate is just about idra specificly, but EG aswell, there does seem a lot of hatred towards EG on these forums for some reason. I'm geussing a lot of the haters are supporters of team liquid too, the fanboyism on these forums does get a bit out of control but this is a TL website so cant really blame that.
What doesnt make sense is the same people constantly bashing certain players in EG for not performing well or calling them bad players, where as most of Teamliquid members have not really won a single meaningful game since SC2 was released. Not hating just cant stand hyprocrites. HuK won Dreamhack, Jinro won MLG and went back to back Semi finals in GSL, HuK won HSC3. Ret won Assembly. Ret won Blizz invitational, Sheth went 2nd at Blizz invitational US. not meaningful? I said "most", and sorry to break it to ya but Huk is EG now. sorry to break it to you, but HuK was in TL when he won. Now he's EG and not winning.... also "most" means that 1 out all the Liquid players didnt get results? Jinro got results, TLO got results, Ret got results, HerO got results, Sheth got results, HuK got results. Only Tyler has been struggling, and we all know that he's not in the best state of mind right now, trust that if Tyler starts hardcore practicing he'll be a beast, can't wait to see how he does after the Red Bull LAN.
Jinro hasnt had results since the early days of sc2, thats one. Cant remember when tlo did anything? its been so long, thats two. ret is good yea, hero is good even tho he hasnt had results but he is very new to the team. sheth isnt bad, u forgot haypro thats three. then like u said tyler, thats four.
Thats almost half the team, and the other half aint on idra's or puma's level anyway.
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The guy is incredibly entertaining. I don't see any problem having this kind of figure in the community. It can make match ups interesting. Rivalries and such.
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R0YAL you re right he didn't give up after his two loses in the Poolplay and he ggs agains Jinrow except Jinrow went for an timing push. He is getting better
( When did he thated sb last time?)
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On October 04 2011 23:31 Madder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 23:24 FairForever wrote:On October 04 2011 23:21 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 23:12 Roggay wrote:On October 04 2011 22:29 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:20 _Repo wrote:On October 04 2011 22:15 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:11 _Repo wrote:
I dont think the hate is just about idra specificly, but EG aswell, there does seem a lot of hatred towards EG on these forums for some reason. I'm geussing a lot of the haters are supporters of team liquid too, the fanboyism on these forums does get a bit out of control but this is a TL website so cant really blame that.
What doesnt make sense is the same people constantly bashing certain players in EG for not performing well or calling them bad players, where as most of Teamliquid members have not really won a single meaningful game since SC2 was released. Not hating just cant stand hyprocrites. HuK won Dreamhack, Jinro won MLG and went back to back Semi finals in GSL, HuK won HSC3. Ret won Assembly. Ret won Blizz invitational, Sheth went 2nd at Blizz invitational US. not meaningful? I said "most", and sorry to break it to ya but Huk is EG now. agreed. Jinro : "I would quit SC before I joined EG" TLO: "I would cut my throat before joining EG" "I will get better then HuK for TL" talk about loyalty? HuK didnt want to leave Liquid, but the fact that the offer EG made him was out of this world good convinced him. After all, even progamers need to think about their futures. sorry to break it to you, but HuK was in TL when he won. Now he's EG and not winning.... also "most" means that 1 out all the Liquid players didnt get results? Jinro got results, TLO got results, Ret got results, HerO got results, Sheth got results, HuK got results. Only Tyler has been struggling, and we all know that he's not in the best state of mind right now, trust that if Tyler starts hardcore practicing he'll be a beast, can't wait to see how he does after the Red Bull LAN. You completely forgot Haypro OMFG HAYDER IM SO SORRY!!!!!!!! >< god thats so awful >< HayprO didnt get any big results however he consistently does well in TL's team leagues, even taking a game off of SlayerS :D I'm sorry Hayder, I <3 you! To be fair Jinro/TLO's results are not recent, they've been slumping hard for longer than Idra. Sure the TL roster is playing better than Strifecro/Axslav/Incontrol/Lz but you can't fault EG for at least being loyal to their team (or waiting for contracts to expire, lol). What are you implying about TL's loyalty? LOL
agreed
Jinro: I would quit SC before joining EG
TLO: I would slice my throat before joining EG/I will get better then HuK for TL
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IMO, this topic serves no purpose. Everybody knows/love/hate Idra for who he is, and there is no point discussing about it.
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The reason I like IdrA as a fan is because of how entertaining I find him, and I'm a zerg and there isn't any other zerg I would rather root for.
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Do we really need another one of these threads...
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On October 04 2011 21:28 darkscream wrote:
haters gonna hate
when you are as good as idra you can be very outspoken, caustic and blunt. most people dont like that, they want total douchebag mannerbear sponsor suckups. i personally do not like anyone who puts on a fake 'tv friendly' personality.
Theres a big difference between faking it and Idra.
He is an egotistical maniac who BM's everything because HE cant deal with the fact the he lost. He takes his issues out on others because he cant bear to deal with his inner issues.
He is BM, disgustingly rude, crude and the rest and you wonder why people dont like him? I wonder why people DO like him.
Not to say that idra vs puma was fixed or he isnt a "good" (not fing brilliant by a long shot) player.
and i believe idra fans have childish dispositions where they find his attitude funny. Much like my former high school friends (anyone remember "happy slapping"? or more commonly "your mum x x x"?) where its extremely hillarious to insult and cause others grief.
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do we "really" need another IdrA thread? how can you people not get bored by this?
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How is this thread still open?
StarCraft 2 is now popular enough where people and teams are polarizing. Examples of which are the anti-EG sentiment post HuK's recruitment, or random IdrA bashing- all of these are generally speaking without a legitimate reason behind them. This is popular in professional sports too, think about how New Yorker's hate the Boston Red Sox and their fans, or Da Bears and the Green Bay Packers. In popular athletic or now eCompetition you will get blind hatred.
If you don't like IdrA, fine. Lots of people don't- almost none of which actually know him.
These threads only really exist because the OP either
a) Couldn't handle the IdrA bashing in another thread- where his retorts weren't listened to or given credence- so he made his own "you're wrong IdrA is awesome" thread.
OR
b) He couldn't handle the blind IdrA support- nobody would listen to why he thinks IdrA's a shithead- so he made his own "IdrA blows" thread.
Think back on EVERY single IdrA related thread, their cause can be attributed to one of these two things. For the love of god close this stupid thread, and keep discussion like this to his fanclub (that way the idiots who go on bashing him can just get banned and save us all some time and brain cells)
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I've got mixed feelings about Idra, on the one hand I think that compared to other top Zerg players, his game mechanics are right up there, definitely one of the top Zerg in the world right now (but not the best). However, on the other hand, he's rude, arrogant, BM, whatever you want to call him (granted, he's got a lot more mannered, less argumentative, etc. recently, so good for him!). Another reason I think that he isn't quite the best is because he rarely tries out different builds, which, to me, doesn't make sense, since when he DOES try a different build, he usually pulls a win out of it. His standard of play is EASILY high enough to effectively create and test different builds, he just doesn't, and I can't understand why.
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On October 04 2011 23:42 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 21:28 darkscream wrote:
haters gonna hate
when you are as good as idra you can be very outspoken, caustic and blunt. most people dont like that, they want total douchebag mannerbear sponsor suckups. i personally do not like anyone who puts on a fake 'tv friendly' personality.
Theres a big difference between faking it and Idra. He is an egotistical maniac who BM's everything because HE cant deal with the fact the he lost. He takes his issues out on others because he cant bear to deal with his inner issues. He is BM, disgustingly rude, crude and the rest and you wonder why people dont like him? I wonder why people DO like him. Not to say that idra vs puma was fixed or he isnt a "good" (not fing brilliant by a long shot) player. and i believe idra fans have childish dispositions where they find his attitude funny. Much like my former high school friends (anyone remember "happy slapping"? or more commonly "your mum x x x"?) where its extremely hillarious to insult and cause others grief.
agreed, people make everything always so black and white. You can be very outspoken and blunt without being as much as an ass he is sometimes. ( note: he also has his good moments like on sotg when he's not talking about balance )
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On October 04 2011 23:33 _Repo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 22:29 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:20 _Repo wrote:On October 04 2011 22:15 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:11 _Repo wrote:
I dont think the hate is just about idra specificly, but EG aswell, there does seem a lot of hatred towards EG on these forums for some reason. I'm geussing a lot of the haters are supporters of team liquid too, the fanboyism on these forums does get a bit out of control but this is a TL website so cant really blame that.
What doesnt make sense is the same people constantly bashing certain players in EG for not performing well or calling them bad players, where as most of Teamliquid members have not really won a single meaningful game since SC2 was released. Not hating just cant stand hyprocrites. HuK won Dreamhack, Jinro won MLG and went back to back Semi finals in GSL, HuK won HSC3. Ret won Assembly. Ret won Blizz invitational, Sheth went 2nd at Blizz invitational US. not meaningful? I said "most", and sorry to break it to ya but Huk is EG now. sorry to break it to you, but HuK was in TL when he won. Now he's EG and not winning.... also "most" means that 1 out all the Liquid players didnt get results? Jinro got results, TLO got results, Ret got results, HerO got results, Sheth got results, HuK got results. Only Tyler has been struggling, and we all know that he's not in the best state of mind right now, trust that if Tyler starts hardcore practicing he'll be a beast, can't wait to see how he does after the Red Bull LAN. Jinro hasnt had results since the early days of sc2, thats one. Cant remember when tlo did anything? its been so long, thats two. ret is good yea, hero is good even tho he hasnt had results but he is very new to the team. sheth isnt bad, u forgot haypro thats three. then like u said tyler, thats four. Thats almost half the team, and the other half aint on idra's or puma's level anyway.
back at you then, iNcontroL -> no results. Axslav, LzGamer, StrifeCro, and whoever else on EG thats not DeMusliM -> no results. PuMa won one tourney as EG, HuK -> no results as EG.
TLO has been injured for the longest time in case you're blind and can't read. Jinro has been practicing and beat FD in the All Star matches, just because hes not participating in every online event doesnt mean you can simply write him off, after all he did beat IdrA in IEM group plays. Tyler is a consistent player that always makes it out of the open bracket at every MLG. HerO is in code A. Ret and Sheth are both better zergs then IdrA. Sheth demolishing IdrA at Blizz invitational, Ret almost always steam rolling through his MLG groups.
this is a team that has 7 players who consistently place well.
Tyler's best run in MLG is 4th,
Jinro won an MLG, Jinro went further in GSL then any foreigner (huk included),
TLO has had two 5th places in MLG,
HayprO's gotten a 10th place finish at MLG
Ret's finished 1st at Assembly and Blizz inv and got top 8 in MLG and also wins online tourneys agaisnt the likes of nAni and qxc.
HerO is in Code A and got 6th at the first MLG he attended
Sheth got 2nd at Blizz invitational and consistently does well at MLG
inversely, let's look at EG
Axslav got 4th at IPL
DeMusliM got 3rd at IEM and placed in the top 16 at Raleigh(i believe)
iNcontroL got 4th at MLG
IdrA won IEM and IPL(2?) and MLG DC
HuK has won nothing but placed well in Raleigh, DH, MLG and HSC3 were when he was in Millenium(MLG) and Liquid(DH HSC)
PuMa got 1st at IEM (He won NASL as a TSL player) and 3rd at this IEM
Machine got 15th at MLG
StrifeCro got 41-48th at MLG.
see? both teams perform really well. So why are you trying to hate on TL so much even though they're so consistent and perform so well in team leagues?
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I am not an Idra hater, but I did hate it when people wouldn't agree that lately he has been in a slump. His results up till now have been very low for a player of his standard. A true fan should be able to accept he was in a slump but his day will come again and not rage there face off and argue that he is still a top zerg, which a few weeks ago he wasn't.
I'm glad he took it, even as a protoss fan and wanting elfi to go all the way it is always good to see a player come out of a slump to get a win. That is what this game and community is about, and its great. Like I hope iNcontrol will soon get his chance soon.
Also from all this rage talk, yes people like him and destiny do rage and BM to much. But every sport has bad guys, even in the most highly paid sports. It adds character to the scene, the only problem is the followers becoming like them, instead of just liking there style and ignoring the BM. I will have to say though Destiny has changed lately and I have actually started watching his stream again due to this. He seems more professional, maybe due to these interviews and Red Bull lan invite, and missing his col team mates that he has changed...still someone who will rage and BM, but no where near as much as normal and hopefully will become the "naughty player" for some top team.
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Congrats IdrA.
I'm so happy to see Americans do well at events. We need heroes to cheer for, go team Evil Geniuses!
+ Show Spoiler +the whole thing was setup once they were both guaranteed top 4. They knew if IdrA beat PuMa it would be a foreigner final only. SirScoots purposely asked PuMa to drop the games versus IdrA. There was no way they could have gotten 1st & 2nd place anyways, so they took the slight risk that IdrA could have lost to elfi just so they could see Slasher get his hair cut. Thanks SirScoots! We all wanted to see it. Everything worked out perfectly for EG and the fans <3 /rant ^_^
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