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On October 04 2011 23:42 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 21:28 darkscream wrote:
haters gonna hate
when you are as good as idra you can be very outspoken, caustic and blunt. most people dont like that, they want total douchebag mannerbear sponsor suckups. i personally do not like anyone who puts on a fake 'tv friendly' personality.
Theres a big difference between faking it and Idra. He is an egotistical maniac who BM's everything because HE cant deal with the fact the he lost. He takes his issues out on others because he cant bear to deal with his inner issues. He is BM, disgustingly rude, crude and the rest and you wonder why people dont like him? I wonder why people DO like him. Not to say that idra vs puma was fixed or he isnt a "good" (not fing brilliant by a long shot) player. and i believe idra fans have childish dispositions where they find his attitude funny. Much like my former high school friends (anyone remember "happy slapping"? or more commonly "your mum x x x"?) where its extremely hillarious to insult and cause others grief.
To me, you are the one coming out as childish.
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Idra won MLG Dallas. Dallas being the event that made Huk so populer with the "dont wrry thats halo" comment. Might wanna update your list Plague.
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On October 04 2011 23:54 chip789 wrote:
Idra won MLG Dallas. Dallas being the event that made Huk so populer with the "dont wrry thats halo" comment. Might wanna update your list Plague.
Jinro won MLG Dallas, Idra won MLG DC, but you're correct, I updated it, i also added that HuK and Ben did really well at Raleigh
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Well, whether it's intentional or not, his bm is genius. He stirs up controversy, thus putting the spotlight on him, thus increasing his viewership and ultimately, his money flow. I say who cares that people hate him, we don't need everyone to love him, what we need is E-Sports to get the attention it deserves, and a good controversy is always the way.
If Idra's bm is not so intentional, and he truly just is an "egomaniac" (whatever that means, and why is this a bad thing, if so?), I say so what. He's a good player, and he is one of the few players who embraces his humanity and refuses to pretend he's a Vulcan. Emotions and learning are tied, by all cognitive theories, and if something pisses you off, acknowledge it, seek a solution, have an outlet for it. Don't just bottle it up, and console yourself that at least you're a good person and didn't bm.
One thing I will say is this: Think Dungeons & Dragons alignment system for a moment (2 dimensions: good vs evil, lawful vs chaotic). There are two types of BM players (perhaps more, but bare with me for my analogy):
The Chaotic Evil BM SC2 player: These are the assholes you see on ladder, never played against before, and you say, "glhf", to which they reply, "Fuck you, fuck everything you hold dear, I'm gonna anally rape you in this game, and then afterwards find where you live and come do it in RL."
The Lawful Evil BM SC2 player: These guys are BM, but only if they have a reason, i.e. you seemed to win by luck, or you did something exploitative (in their eyes) but on first encounter, they're likely to wish you glhf as well, and afterwards as well, if they consider you an honorable opponent.
To me, Idra falls in the Lawful category, and so he has my respect.
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he's a bad mannered cock who calls everyone bad even players that beat him legimately not because he played bad but because the game is broken or they do a timing attack (which is not the right way to paly the game)
hate the guy
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On October 04 2011 23:53 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 23:42 Capped wrote:On October 04 2011 21:28 darkscream wrote:
haters gonna hate
when you are as good as idra you can be very outspoken, caustic and blunt. most people dont like that, they want total douchebag mannerbear sponsor suckups. i personally do not like anyone who puts on a fake 'tv friendly' personality.
Theres a big difference between faking it and Idra. He is an egotistical maniac who BM's everything because HE cant deal with the fact the he lost. He takes his issues out on others because he cant bear to deal with his inner issues. He is BM, disgustingly rude, crude and the rest and you wonder why people dont like him? I wonder why people DO like him. Not to say that idra vs puma was fixed or he isnt a "good" (not fing brilliant by a long shot) player. and i believe idra fans have childish dispositions where they find his attitude funny. Much like my former high school friends (anyone remember "happy slapping"? or more commonly "your mum x x x"?) where its extremely hillarious to insult and cause others grief. To me, you are the one coming out as childish.
probably because your ability to comprehend is clouded by your love for idra?
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IdrA is fun, I don't cheer for or against him but he is a fun and maybe needed figure in the scene. But I do cheer for PuMa and now I'm sad ): .
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On October 04 2011 23:59 MisterTea wrote:
he's a bad mannered cock who calls everyone bad even players that beat him legimately not because he played bad but because the game is broken or they do a timing attack (which is not the right way to paly the game)
hate the guy
There's no reason to hate him. I personally believe that IdrA plays it up because his fans are (these are his own words from SotG) morons who only like drama.
I really would like to meet IdrA in real life, it's my belief that Greg is a great guy despite IdrA being kind of an ass 
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On October 05 2011 00:01 PlaGuE_R wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 23:59 MisterTea wrote:
he's a bad mannered cock who calls everyone bad even players that beat him legimately not because he played bad but because the game is broken or they do a timing attack (which is not the right way to paly the game)
hate the guy There's no reason to hate him. I personally believe that IdrA plays it up because his fans are (these are his own words from SotG) morons who only like drama. I really would like to meet IdrA in real life, it's my belief that Greg is a great guy despite IdrA being kind of an ass
He'd look down on you because he's an egomaniac. Perhaps he likes his fans from far away.. At least he looks down on me because I'm French Canadian.
IdrA says he has no problem with Canadians but there's "something wrong" with us French-speaking folks. (I guess you don't qualify though)
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i dont have negative feelings towards idra at all. IdrA is a character and a personality. the fact that he is one of the most outspoken bad mannered people is fucking awesome. if everyone had the same manner as someone like Sheth(who is like, the exact opposite of IdrA) then aspects from outside the game would be boring and stale. i think the game needs that asshole to stir shit up every once in a while.
he isnt a bad player, he has a really long history of success in BW and SC2. everyone slumps now and then. if im correct, Boxer isnt doing so hot right now either, does that make him a bad player too? if he beat PUMA at IEM, who the fuck are you to say that he doesnt deserve it? EG has been practicing pretty damn hard in their new house for several weeks now, maybe IdrA just finally got out of his slump and metagamed his teammate. imo, when other people can say they beat PUMA 'fairly' then they cna bitch about IdrA doing it. until then, no one cares about their opinion.
yeah his fans can be dumb. ill quote earlier. "most of my fans are pretty retarded"-Idra
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On October 05 2011 00:03 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 00:01 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 23:59 MisterTea wrote:
he's a bad mannered cock who calls everyone bad even players that beat him legimately not because he played bad but because the game is broken or they do a timing attack (which is not the right way to paly the game)
hate the guy There's no reason to hate him. I personally believe that IdrA plays it up because his fans are (these are his own words from SotG) morons who only like drama. I really would like to meet IdrA in real life, it's my belief that Greg is a great guy despite IdrA being kind of an ass He'd look down on you because he's an egomaniac. Perhaps he likes his fans from far away.. At least he looks down on me because I'm French Canadian. IdrA says he has no problem with Canadians but there's "something wrong" with us French-speaking folks. (I guess you don't qualify though)
I'm French....how do I not qualify as a french speaking person!? O_O
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On October 05 2011 00:05 PlaGuE_R wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 00:03 Djzapz wrote:On October 05 2011 00:01 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 23:59 MisterTea wrote:
he's a bad mannered cock who calls everyone bad even players that beat him legimately not because he played bad but because the game is broken or they do a timing attack (which is not the right way to paly the game)
hate the guy There's no reason to hate him. I personally believe that IdrA plays it up because his fans are (these are his own words from SotG) morons who only like drama. I really would like to meet IdrA in real life, it's my belief that Greg is a great guy despite IdrA being kind of an ass He'd look down on you because he's an egomaniac. Perhaps he likes his fans from far away.. At least he looks down on me because I'm French Canadian. IdrA says he has no problem with Canadians but there's "something wrong" with us French-speaking folks. (I guess you don't qualify though) I'm French....how do I not qualify as a french speaking person!? O_O
Well you're not Canadian ... he doesn't like French-Canadians specifically because we're crazy or something.
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Idra's match-up problem is not ZvP, it's Idra v Idra's mind! The guy tilts WAY too easily to be a serious contenter at the top level, and it hurts him even more that he thinks there's only one legitimate way to play the game (macro up to 200/200 army w/ at least 4 bases each and then fight). If he could get over his stupid mental issues and just use his super solid mechanics to his best ability and practice his ass off then I think he could be on the level of some top Koreans. But he never has shown any signs that this will happen. He just constantly QQs and never analyzes how he may have messed up and can improve his game. He hurts his own practice by not analyzing but rather blaming everything on balance, and subsequently practices less because he's in a bad mental state. It just comes down to the fact that it's all in Idra's head. I rooted for him every time he played back in GSL because he was a foreigner and I love to see foreigners win. But then he left when he was finally looking like he could make a push to a finals and he's just gotten worse and worse since leaving Korea. Hopefully him going back to train helps, but until he fixes his mental problems it's not going to happen in my opinion...
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On October 05 2011 00:06 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 00:05 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 05 2011 00:03 Djzapz wrote:On October 05 2011 00:01 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 23:59 MisterTea wrote:
he's a bad mannered cock who calls everyone bad even players that beat him legimately not because he played bad but because the game is broken or they do a timing attack (which is not the right way to paly the game)
hate the guy There's no reason to hate him. I personally believe that IdrA plays it up because his fans are (these are his own words from SotG) morons who only like drama. I really would like to meet IdrA in real life, it's my belief that Greg is a great guy despite IdrA being kind of an ass He'd look down on you because he's an egomaniac. Perhaps he likes his fans from far away.. At least he looks down on me because I'm French Canadian. IdrA says he has no problem with Canadians but there's "something wrong" with us French-speaking folks. (I guess you don't qualify though) I'm French....how do I not qualify as a french speaking person!? O_O Well you're not Canadian ... he doesn't like French-Canadians specifically because we're crazy or something.
I'd guess that KiWi cannon rushed him once.
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On October 05 2011 00:06 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 00:05 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 05 2011 00:03 Djzapz wrote:On October 05 2011 00:01 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 23:59 MisterTea wrote:
he's a bad mannered cock who calls everyone bad even players that beat him legimately not because he played bad but because the game is broken or they do a timing attack (which is not the right way to paly the game)
hate the guy There's no reason to hate him. I personally believe that IdrA plays it up because his fans are (these are his own words from SotG) morons who only like drama. I really would like to meet IdrA in real life, it's my belief that Greg is a great guy despite IdrA being kind of an ass He'd look down on you because he's an egomaniac. Perhaps he likes his fans from far away.. At least he looks down on me because I'm French Canadian. IdrA says he has no problem with Canadians but there's "something wrong" with us French-speaking folks. (I guess you don't qualify though) I'm French....how do I not qualify as a french speaking person!? O_O Well you're not Canadian ... he doesn't like French-Canadians specifically because we're crazy or something.
well, to be fair, we think there's something wrong with you too what's up with your weird way of butchering our gorgeous language?! >: ( !! just kidding, big <3 to my brothers from across the pond! French Hwaiting! xD
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On October 05 2011 00:09 PlaGuE_R wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 00:06 Djzapz wrote:On October 05 2011 00:05 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 05 2011 00:03 Djzapz wrote:On October 05 2011 00:01 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 23:59 MisterTea wrote:
he's a bad mannered cock who calls everyone bad even players that beat him legimately not because he played bad but because the game is broken or they do a timing attack (which is not the right way to paly the game)
hate the guy There's no reason to hate him. I personally believe that IdrA plays it up because his fans are (these are his own words from SotG) morons who only like drama. I really would like to meet IdrA in real life, it's my belief that Greg is a great guy despite IdrA being kind of an ass He'd look down on you because he's an egomaniac. Perhaps he likes his fans from far away.. At least he looks down on me because I'm French Canadian. IdrA says he has no problem with Canadians but there's "something wrong" with us French-speaking folks. (I guess you don't qualify though) I'm French....how do I not qualify as a french speaking person!? O_O Well you're not Canadian ... he doesn't like French-Canadians specifically because we're crazy or something. well, to be fair, we think there's something wrong with you too what's up with your weird way of butchering our gorgeous language?! >: ( !! just kidding, big <3 to my brothers from across the pond! French Hwaiting! xD
Hey maybe if you defended your colony properly =P
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On October 04 2011 23:50 PlaGuE_R wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 23:33 _Repo wrote:On October 04 2011 22:29 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:20 _Repo wrote:On October 04 2011 22:15 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:11 _Repo wrote:
I dont think the hate is just about idra specificly, but EG aswell, there does seem a lot of hatred towards EG on these forums for some reason. I'm geussing a lot of the haters are supporters of team liquid too, the fanboyism on these forums does get a bit out of control but this is a TL website so cant really blame that.
What doesnt make sense is the same people constantly bashing certain players in EG for not performing well or calling them bad players, where as most of Teamliquid members have not really won a single meaningful game since SC2 was released. Not hating just cant stand hyprocrites. HuK won Dreamhack, Jinro won MLG and went back to back Semi finals in GSL, HuK won HSC3. Ret won Assembly. Ret won Blizz invitational, Sheth went 2nd at Blizz invitational US. not meaningful? I said "most", and sorry to break it to ya but Huk is EG now. sorry to break it to you, but HuK was in TL when he won. Now he's EG and not winning.... also "most" means that 1 out all the Liquid players didnt get results? Jinro got results, TLO got results, Ret got results, HerO got results, Sheth got results, HuK got results. Only Tyler has been struggling, and we all know that he's not in the best state of mind right now, trust that if Tyler starts hardcore practicing he'll be a beast, can't wait to see how he does after the Red Bull LAN. Jinro hasnt had results since the early days of sc2, thats one. Cant remember when tlo did anything? its been so long, thats two. ret is good yea, hero is good even tho he hasnt had results but he is very new to the team. sheth isnt bad, u forgot haypro thats three. then like u said tyler, thats four. Thats almost half the team, and the other half aint on idra's or puma's level anyway. back at you then, iNcontroL -> no results. Axslav, LzGamer, StrifeCro, and whoever else on EG thats not DeMusliM -> no results. PuMa won one tourney as EG, HuK -> no results as EG. TLO has been injured for the longest time in case you're blind and can't read. Jinro has been practicing and beat FD in the All Star matches, just because hes not participating in every online event doesnt mean you can simply write him off, after all he did beat IdrA in IEM group plays. Tyler is a consistent player that always makes it out of the open bracket at every MLG. HerO is in code A. Ret and Sheth are both better zergs then IdrA. Sheth demolishing IdrA at Blizz invitational, Ret almost always steam rolling through his MLG groups. this is a team that has 7 players who consistently place well. Tyler's best run in MLG is 4th, Jinro won an MLG, Jinro went further in GSL then any foreigner (huk included), TLO has had two 5th places in MLG, HayprO's gotten a 10th place finish at MLG Ret's finished 1st at Assembly and Blizz inv and got top 8 in MLG and also wins online tourneys agaisnt the likes of nAni and qxc. HerO is in Code A and got 6th at the first MLG he attended Sheth got 2nd at Blizz invitational and consistently does well at MLG inversely, let's look at EG Axslav got 4th at IPL DeMusliM got 3rd at IEM and placed in the top 16 at Raleigh(i believe) iNcontroL got 4th at MLG IdrA won IEM and IPL(2?) and MLG DC HuK has won nothing but placed well in Raleigh, DH, MLG and HSC3 were when he was in Millenium(MLG) and Liquid(DH HSC) PuMa got 1st at IEM (He won NASL as a TSL player) and 3rd at this IEM Machine got 15th at MLG StrifeCro got 41-48th at MLG. see? both teams perform really well. So why are you trying to hate on TL so much even though they're so consistent and perform so well in team leagues?
Do you really belive what you just wrote?
Didnt bother reading all of it, but ret and sheth is NOT better then idra, if u think that then your deluded. Idra beat sheth much more times then sheht beating idra, same with ret
And puma won 2 tournments, 2 out of 3 tournments that hes ever attended, oh yeah then there is IEM that just finished but he got 3rd place so not bad at all.
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On October 04 2011 23:16 mordk wrote:
I'd consider myself an Idra hater, the reasons being:
1.- He's got a TERRIBLE attitude, absolutely horrible mindset. He doesn't have a champion's mind AND gets mindless praise for that.
2.- He's a balance whiner, and one with terrible arguments and extremely close-minded. Sometimes it's so ridiculous it reminds me of schizophrenic delusions.
3.- He believes there's only one way to play the game, and if it doesn't work he's incapable of realizing his own mistakes or his opppnent's good play and instead blames it on the game. Seriously dude?
4.- He's a sore loser, with pathetic frustration tolerance problems. AND he's a terrible winner, uncapable of even respecting his opponents.
5.- He BMs way too much and in really disgusting forms and context. The classic example is comparing him to MC at MLG. You could tell MC was being a showman while Idra was just being a jackass.
6.- Finally, and worst of all, he has the most annoying fans ever, who will make a huge deal and completely overhype anything decent he does while at the same time praise him for behaving like a spoiled child. Disgusting.
All that said, he's a good SC player, he understands the game at a truly high level, which makes his attitude problems even worse since he could be so much better without them. I also realize how full of hate this post is, but you asked, I'm giving my thoughts.
1. He is not praised for his mindset, and he is aware of it being a bad asset for his career.
2. He's honest about his opinions, and I wonder if you have heard the discussion between him and day9? Day9 couldn't come up with anything against what Greg had to say. Perhaps you just do not hear what you do not want to hear.
3. He knows there are other ways but does not think they requirre as much skill, he wants a game that reflects skill, he does not think a 7 pool requirres skill - so it's the games fault (or the opponent of course)
4. Much of his disrespect is very different IRL. It's a game, there's a difference, though he is a sore loser and though he does not show his respect, it would not suit his personality very well now would it.
5. He's very honest. If you want to know what being BM is like, go watch IdrA vs CombatEX. You'll see who's BM.
6. And he also has haters like you, because of it 
Everyone are popular for different reasons, and fans of all players overhype.
Would you expect me as an IdrA fan, not to defend him or hype about what he does? If I didn't, I would be a bad fan in my humble opinion.
Thanks for giving him at least a little credit, but your post is filled to the brim with hate. Of course, the OP asked, but here goes my humble defence :-)
I hope you were not offended in any way.
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On October 05 2011 00:12 _Repo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 23:50 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 23:33 _Repo wrote:On October 04 2011 22:29 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:20 _Repo wrote:On October 04 2011 22:15 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:11 _Repo wrote:
I dont think the hate is just about idra specificly, but EG aswell, there does seem a lot of hatred towards EG on these forums for some reason. I'm geussing a lot of the haters are supporters of team liquid too, the fanboyism on these forums does get a bit out of control but this is a TL website so cant really blame that.
What doesnt make sense is the same people constantly bashing certain players in EG for not performing well or calling them bad players, where as most of Teamliquid members have not really won a single meaningful game since SC2 was released. Not hating just cant stand hyprocrites. HuK won Dreamhack, Jinro won MLG and went back to back Semi finals in GSL, HuK won HSC3. Ret won Assembly. Ret won Blizz invitational, Sheth went 2nd at Blizz invitational US. not meaningful? I said "most", and sorry to break it to ya but Huk is EG now. sorry to break it to you, but HuK was in TL when he won. Now he's EG and not winning.... also "most" means that 1 out all the Liquid players didnt get results? Jinro got results, TLO got results, Ret got results, HerO got results, Sheth got results, HuK got results. Only Tyler has been struggling, and we all know that he's not in the best state of mind right now, trust that if Tyler starts hardcore practicing he'll be a beast, can't wait to see how he does after the Red Bull LAN. Jinro hasnt had results since the early days of sc2, thats one. Cant remember when tlo did anything? its been so long, thats two. ret is good yea, hero is good even tho he hasnt had results but he is very new to the team. sheth isnt bad, u forgot haypro thats three. then like u said tyler, thats four. Thats almost half the team, and the other half aint on idra's or puma's level anyway. back at you then, iNcontroL -> no results. Axslav, LzGamer, StrifeCro, and whoever else on EG thats not DeMusliM -> no results. PuMa won one tourney as EG, HuK -> no results as EG. TLO has been injured for the longest time in case you're blind and can't read. Jinro has been practicing and beat FD in the All Star matches, just because hes not participating in every online event doesnt mean you can simply write him off, after all he did beat IdrA in IEM group plays. Tyler is a consistent player that always makes it out of the open bracket at every MLG. HerO is in code A. Ret and Sheth are both better zergs then IdrA. Sheth demolishing IdrA at Blizz invitational, Ret almost always steam rolling through his MLG groups. this is a team that has 7 players who consistently place well. Tyler's best run in MLG is 4th, Jinro won an MLG, Jinro went further in GSL then any foreigner (huk included), TLO has had two 5th places in MLG, HayprO's gotten a 10th place finish at MLG Ret's finished 1st at Assembly and Blizz inv and got top 8 in MLG and also wins online tourneys agaisnt the likes of nAni and qxc. HerO is in Code A and got 6th at the first MLG he attended Sheth got 2nd at Blizz invitational and consistently does well at MLG inversely, let's look at EG Axslav got 4th at IPL DeMusliM got 3rd at IEM and placed in the top 16 at Raleigh(i believe) iNcontroL got 4th at MLG IdrA won IEM and IPL(2?) and MLG DC HuK has won nothing but placed well in Raleigh, DH, MLG and HSC3 were when he was in Millenium(MLG) and Liquid(DH HSC) PuMa got 1st at IEM (He won NASL as a TSL player) and 3rd at this IEM Machine got 15th at MLG StrifeCro got 41-48th at MLG. see? both teams perform really well. So why are you trying to hate on TL so much even though they're so consistent and perform so well in team leagues? Do you really belive what you just wrote? Didnt bother reading all of it, but ret and sheth is NOT better then idra, if u think that then your deluded. Idra beat sheth much more times then sheht beating idra, same with ret And puma won 2 tournments, 2 out of 3 tournments that hes ever attended, oh yeah then there is IEM that just finished but he got 3rd place so not bad at all.
his main pont was that results wise eg is not really better than tl
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