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Severus_
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
759 Posts
October 04 2011 15:28 GMT
#221
I like Idra when he plays well and doesn't die to simple rushes or his own mental blockage. If he keeps playing well I will start to like his BM also becuase most of the time he is honest about players and most of the time true. I think even his BM drives ppl foward to prove to him how they can beat him (atleast thats my opinion). The only thing i dislike is his balance whine but still thats his mental blockage so....nobody is perfect.
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
October 04 2011 15:29 GMT
#222
On October 05 2011 00:25 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 00:22 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:10 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:09 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:06 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:05 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:03 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:01 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 04 2011 23:59 MisterTea wrote:
he's a bad mannered cock who calls everyone bad even players that beat him legimately not because he played bad but because the game is broken or they do a timing attack (which is not the right way to paly the game)
hate the guy


There's no reason to hate him. I personally believe that IdrA plays it up because his fans are (these are his own words from SotG) morons who only like drama.

I really would like to meet IdrA in real life, it's my belief that Greg is a great guy despite IdrA being kind of an ass

He'd look down on you because he's an egomaniac. Perhaps he likes his fans from far away.. At least he looks down on me because I'm French Canadian.

IdrA says he has no problem with Canadians but there's "something wrong" with us French-speaking folks. (I guess you don't qualify though)


I'm French....how do I not qualify as a french speaking person!? O_O

Well you're not Canadian ... he doesn't like French-Canadians specifically because we're crazy or something.


well, to be fair, we think there's something wrong with you too what's up with your weird way of butchering our gorgeous language?! >: ( !! just kidding, big <3 to my brothers from across the pond! French Hwaiting! xD

Hey maybe if you defended your colony properly =P


hey, the english had better navy and we were busy fighting elsewhere. We couldn't be everywhere at once

=( you don't value beaverskin hats, I see...


Nooo! we miss you, our little northern colony </3
TLO FIGHTING | me all in, he drone drone drone, me win - SK.MC | JINROLLED! | KraToss for the win
Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
October 04 2011 15:29 GMT
#223
It wasn't as bad as before actually. A couple of months ago the hater-fan ratio would've been much much worse.
Artosis: "From horsssse....falcon"
polysciguy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States488 Posts
October 04 2011 15:30 GMT
#224
idra strikes me as a classic example of an entity learner, as discribed in josh waitzkin's "art of learning". he see's himself as better, and can't quite cope with someone he deems "worse" than him beating him.
personally i think he's entertaining, he just really really needs to work on his mental state during games.
glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever---napoleon
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
October 04 2011 15:34 GMT
#225
On October 05 2011 00:29 PlaGuE_R wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 00:25 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:22 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:10 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:09 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:06 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:05 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:03 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:01 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 04 2011 23:59 MisterTea wrote:
he's a bad mannered cock who calls everyone bad even players that beat him legimately not because he played bad but because the game is broken or they do a timing attack (which is not the right way to paly the game)
hate the guy


There's no reason to hate him. I personally believe that IdrA plays it up because his fans are (these are his own words from SotG) morons who only like drama.

I really would like to meet IdrA in real life, it's my belief that Greg is a great guy despite IdrA being kind of an ass

He'd look down on you because he's an egomaniac. Perhaps he likes his fans from far away.. At least he looks down on me because I'm French Canadian.

IdrA says he has no problem with Canadians but there's "something wrong" with us French-speaking folks. (I guess you don't qualify though)


I'm French....how do I not qualify as a french speaking person!? O_O

Well you're not Canadian ... he doesn't like French-Canadians specifically because we're crazy or something.


well, to be fair, we think there's something wrong with you too what's up with your weird way of butchering our gorgeous language?! >: ( !! just kidding, big <3 to my brothers from across the pond! French Hwaiting! xD

Hey maybe if you defended your colony properly =P


hey, the english had better navy and we were busy fighting elsewhere. We couldn't be everywhere at once

=( you don't value beaverskin hats, I see...


Nooo! we miss you, our little northern colony </3

I visited Paris once. Liked the hot chicks with rifles under the Eiffel tower.
<3
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Fleshcut
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany592 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 15:37:03
October 04 2011 15:34 GMT
#226
The IdrA haters who always thought he was overhyped were quite satisfied because he didn't play up to his best the last few tournaments and now he won vs Puma, his teammate and one of his trainingspartners (consider this an advantage for IdrA) and those haters are angry again because he made a "comeback" against a korean. People will never stop bitching and I think IdrA deals with them the right way: IGNORE THEM! He shouldn't take shit from random people on the net who think they know him or his trainingseffort or his style enough to judge him.

And of course he isn't the same in real life as ingame. I had the honor to meet with some pros this summer and it's surprising who nice they are in real life. Don't even talk about the real person if you never met him face to face and talked a word with him.

I for example think that mTwNaruto is a whiny bitch judging from his stream QQ when losing and his "cocky GM behaviour" etc. but I'm always open-minded when it comes to the real person (who organized some sc2 events in germany and seems to care about the community a lot <3 ). He might be a nice guy who invites you to a drink when you meet him in a bar. Who knows? ^^ So what did we learn? Never judge someone just by watching his play and some on camera moments.
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
October 04 2011 15:35 GMT
#227
On October 05 2011 00:21 Apolo wrote:
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On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say.


Careful there. The only reason you can live off gamming is because of the community, and the fans that pay to watch you.


His point is that when it comes to subject likes these its retarded to even try to must a proper response to anything because everyone has an opinion on everybody and everything.
Plays against every MU with nexus first.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
October 04 2011 15:35 GMT
#228
On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say.

that's bad PR man, really bad PR.

Btw IdrA haters are annoying, but those especially who dismiss his skill and achievments. hate on his manners all they long, i couldnt care less, but when you bash on his sc-skills you're just making a joke out of yourself
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
October 04 2011 15:36 GMT
#229
If someone is a douche, he could be the greatest player ever. But people would still think of him as a douche. People see negativity and tend to highlight that rather than the positive traits about someone.

I personally think he is a great player, and I'm glad to see his hard work payoff.
Write your own song!
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
October 04 2011 15:36 GMT
#230
On October 05 2011 00:34 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 00:29 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:25 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:22 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:10 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:09 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:06 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:05 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:03 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:01 PlaGuE_R wrote:
[quote]

There's no reason to hate him. I personally believe that IdrA plays it up because his fans are (these are his own words from SotG) morons who only like drama.

I really would like to meet IdrA in real life, it's my belief that Greg is a great guy despite IdrA being kind of an ass

He'd look down on you because he's an egomaniac. Perhaps he likes his fans from far away.. At least he looks down on me because I'm French Canadian.

IdrA says he has no problem with Canadians but there's "something wrong" with us French-speaking folks. (I guess you don't qualify though)


I'm French....how do I not qualify as a french speaking person!? O_O

Well you're not Canadian ... he doesn't like French-Canadians specifically because we're crazy or something.


well, to be fair, we think there's something wrong with you too what's up with your weird way of butchering our gorgeous language?! >: ( !! just kidding, big <3 to my brothers from across the pond! French Hwaiting! xD

Hey maybe if you defended your colony properly =P


hey, the english had better navy and we were busy fighting elsewhere. We couldn't be everywhere at once

=( you don't value beaverskin hats, I see...


Nooo! we miss you, our little northern colony </3

I visited Paris once. Liked the hot chicks with rifles under the Eiffel tower.
<3


I live in Paris ^_^ if you ever visit again tell me arent Parisian women frigging gorgeous? <3 :D
TLO FIGHTING | me all in, he drone drone drone, me win - SK.MC | JINROLLED! | KraToss for the win
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
October 04 2011 15:37 GMT
#231
On October 05 2011 00:24 kurrysauce wrote:
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On October 05 2011 00:18 msjakofsky wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:15 kurrysauce wrote:
So much hate on idra's attitude.

IIRC majority of pros agree that idra in game and idra IRL are completely different people in terms of attitude.




and what does that prove about the countless fans who say he is honest and not fake?

yup, that they're dumb and misguided


Honest about what?

All I know is , I'm gonna enjoy my sc2 with or without idra's drama. If people are really gonna make such a big deal about what he said 10 months ago which has 0 relevancy right now , I feel really sad for them.


well reading around in TL threads for a time, a very frequent compliment on idra is that he is "honest" and when he acts like an ass, a lot of his fans think "wow sheth is fake! being nice sucks! idra is the real deal!". read idiocy like this in countless posts

maybe a good example is to compare to the effect of the show house m. d. many people like that character because he is sarcastic/rude/ etc all the time. the difference is, he is a genius, he is funny, saves hundreds of lives, and basicly everyone finds him insufferable.

the whole idra phenomenon is basicly just acting like an asshole for no reason. not shaking your opponents' hand because you don't like his playstyle, etc... no real justification, but it works on people for drawing attention. and what kind of people are these? for majority of humans being nice/kind is a good attribute. what does it tell about a person when he thinks that being a jackass is a nice attribute? and they don't just find idra funny or something. they praise and adore him for it. that's what really really odd


and if he is in truth a nice person than he the whole thing is an act, it's fake and fans are just misguided.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
October 04 2011 15:37 GMT
#232
On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say.



This is what you must do in order to be successfull in a highly competitive "sport" like starcraft 2 or any other sport.

They are "public figures" since they have fans and haters, if you are a player and you open TL and read the comments everyday you will go insane with all the hate..

So yeah tyler you are right, you can love your fans and do videos, iviews, promotions, signings, etc.. but in the end of the day you can't care about what people you don't know think about you and your game. For criticism you have family, friends, teammates, coaches and managers..
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
ForeverSleep
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada920 Posts
October 04 2011 15:38 GMT
#233
On October 04 2011 23:16 mordk wrote:
I'd consider myself an Idra hater, the reasons being:

1.- He's got a TERRIBLE attitude, absolutely horrible mindset. He doesn't have a champion's mind AND gets mindless praise for that.

2.- He's a balance whiner, and one with terrible arguments and extremely close-minded. Sometimes it's so ridiculous it reminds me of schizophrenic delusions.

3.- He believes there's only one way to play the game, and if it doesn't work he's incapable of realizing his own mistakes or his opppnent's good play and instead blames it on the game. Seriously dude?

4.- He's a sore loser, with pathetic frustration tolerance problems. AND he's a terrible winner, uncapable of even respecting his opponents.

5.- He BMs way too much and in really disgusting forms and context. The classic example is comparing him to MC at MLG. You could tell MC was being a showman while Idra was just being a jackass.

6.- Finally, and worst of all, he has the most annoying fans ever, who will make a huge deal and completely overhype anything decent he does while at the same time praise him for behaving like a spoiled child. Disgusting.

All that said, he's a good SC player, he understands the game at a truly high level, which makes his attitude problems even worse since he could be so much better without them. I also realize how full of hate this post is, but you asked, I'm giving my thoughts.


dead on what I think about him. It sums it up very well.
"Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans" - John Lennon
DoLookMoreLike
Profile Joined January 2011
155 Posts
October 04 2011 15:38 GMT
#234
On October 05 2011 00:22 TigerKarl wrote:
I think there's exactly 1 person in the world that neither hates nor adores IdrA. That's me,

I wonder why it's so hard for people to see this guy, his strengths and weaknesses from a neutral perspective.
The only solution is just to not care about anybody elses opinion of him, because that always makes me angry when i read that


I fully agree with you here.

IdrA showed us a few fantastic games in IEM and I think that as long as IdrA is active in SC2 he'll be one of our strongest foreigners. It is what it is.

Rndm
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
October 04 2011 15:38 GMT
#235
Yeah I dunno about idra hate. I think that like him, most of his fanboys are just a little too thin-skinned.
pezit
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden302 Posts
October 04 2011 15:39 GMT
#236
"You're such a hater" Is such a silly american thing to say, especially after said person has acted like a fucking asshole for his entire career. And people who think it's an act are just incredibly naive.
CabelD
Profile Joined November 2010
United States131 Posts
October 04 2011 15:41 GMT
#237
IdrA is a good player.
He could be an awesome guy outside this game; we could be best friends, hell if I know. But you guys must not get it, IdrA "haters" don't hate him because he is good, they "hate" him because he cannot take losses / wins and his attitude in game is not the best. IdrA is not a very charismatic player and his balance rants really are just there because he doesn't want to accept that the Brood War, 10 years playing this game, won so many tournaments, champion, foreign hero zerg is losing to people who are "new" to the game, such as HuK or Minigun. Either way he is a great player, he def shows results, but he doesn't have the best attitude.

Just stating my opinion, thanks. HF Gaming.
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
October 04 2011 15:41 GMT
#238
idra played incredibly well vs puma

i haven't seen his elfi series yet

Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
October 04 2011 15:41 GMT
#239
On October 05 2011 00:36 PlaGuE_R wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 00:34 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:29 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:25 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:22 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:10 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:09 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:06 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:05 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:03 Djzapz wrote:
[quote]
He'd look down on you because he's an egomaniac. Perhaps he likes his fans from far away.. At least he looks down on me because I'm French Canadian.

IdrA says he has no problem with Canadians but there's "something wrong" with us French-speaking folks. (I guess you don't qualify though)


I'm French....how do I not qualify as a french speaking person!? O_O

Well you're not Canadian ... he doesn't like French-Canadians specifically because we're crazy or something.


well, to be fair, we think there's something wrong with you too what's up with your weird way of butchering our gorgeous language?! >: ( !! just kidding, big <3 to my brothers from across the pond! French Hwaiting! xD

Hey maybe if you defended your colony properly =P


hey, the english had better navy and we were busy fighting elsewhere. We couldn't be everywhere at once

=( you don't value beaverskin hats, I see...


Nooo! we miss you, our little northern colony </3

I visited Paris once. Liked the hot chicks with rifles under the Eiffel tower.
<3


I live in Paris ^_^ if you ever visit again tell me arent Parisian women frigging gorgeous? <3 :D

Yes, yes indeed. Montreal women are beautiful as well, luckily! Your food is better though. =D
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
October 04 2011 15:42 GMT
#240
On October 05 2011 00:35 DreamChaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 00:21 Apolo wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say.


Careful there. The only reason you can live off gamming is because of the community, and the fans that pay to watch you.


His point is that when it comes to subject likes these its retarded to even try to must a proper response to anything because everyone has an opinion on everybody and everything.


I agree with you but "we know the community is worthless" and "ignore everything you say" makes it sound much more general then that. Maybe poor word choice, but who cares.
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