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On October 05 2011 01:03 ForlornHope wrote:
Mana have beaten Puma so many time (5) and people dont give a shit about it while idra who is a teamate of puma ( know his style insideout ) got hyped over 7 lair of heaven just by beating him.The next IEM which Mana gonna attend will show how Idra and EG team suck at SC2.
Wow... bitter much?
While Mana has shown very good results over Puma, he has also failed to win a tournament in which Puma participated. His win at IEM Cologne was nice but similar to Elfi's win over Idra in the group stages: great, but, in the overall picture, unimportant to the final results.
The other series win was in one of the Team leagues (either EGMC or the GCPL, can't remember), and I don't consider that huge either.
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On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say.
I'd say the same if I'd suck ass in every game and league i enter. The bad players are always the ones to talk the most trash.
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On October 05 2011 00:56 SKYFISH_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 00:50 Plansix wrote:On October 05 2011 00:42 Dawg_Snow wrote:On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say. Not sure if troll or just very bad PR/attention whoring Tyler is pointing out how dumb the community is. and you prove his point by actually defending what he said well done, lol (:
I agree with him on the point that the community is mostly drama-queens with little relevant to say. I woke up this morning excited to find out that Idra won the IEM. Although I don't agree with what he says a lot of the time, but he clearly works hard and cares when he loses. I was pumped to hear that he won and wanted to see the VODs.
And then I went on TL and saw the long list of dumb. Clearly everything was fixed and Idra could not have won if "real players" were there.
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On October 05 2011 01:03 PlaGuE_R wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 00:59 Djzapz wrote:On October 05 2011 00:46 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 05 2011 00:41 Djzapz wrote:On October 05 2011 00:36 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 05 2011 00:34 Djzapz wrote:On October 05 2011 00:29 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 05 2011 00:25 Djzapz wrote:On October 05 2011 00:22 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 05 2011 00:10 Djzapz wrote:
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Hey maybe if you defended your colony properly =P hey, the english had better navy and we were busy fighting elsewhere. We couldn't be everywhere at once  =( you don't value beaverskin hats, I see... Nooo! we miss you, our little northern colony </3 I visited Paris once. Liked the hot chicks with rifles under the Eiffel tower. <3 I live in Paris ^_^ if you ever visit again tell me  arent Parisian women frigging gorgeous? <3 :D Yes, yes indeed. Montreal women are beautiful as well, luckily! Your food is better though. =D are they? I may have to visit Montreal then :D Why of course =P Strangely my gf was imported from the US but you won't be disappointed with the locals importation is good sometimes :D I got to an American university and some of the US imported goods look very very good :D
We're drifting off topic but that's OK because hot imported goods is always a valid subject to explore.
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On October 05 2011 01:08 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 00:56 SKYFISH_ wrote:On October 05 2011 00:50 Plansix wrote:On October 05 2011 00:42 Dawg_Snow wrote:On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say. Not sure if troll or just very bad PR/attention whoring Tyler is pointing out how dumb the community is. and you prove his point by actually defending what he said well done, lol (: I agree with him on the point that the community is mostly drama-queens with little relevant to say. I woke up this morning excited to find out that Idra won the IEM. Although I don't agree with what he says a lot of the time, but he clearly works hard and cares when he loses. I was pumped to hear that he won and wanted to see the VODs. And then I went on TL and saw the long list of dumb. Clearly everything was fixed and Idra could not have won if "real players" were there.
And you also conveniently ignore the actual majority of posters who were saying that talking about a fix was just silly. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your righteousness.
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On October 05 2011 00:53 KillerSOS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say. Someone is a bit salty. Why would you think it's a good idea to post this on the Community forums?? .
Its just like any sport, if the professionals take seriously what their fans/the "community" thinks, they are wasting their time. Starcraft is a bit different because the fans to play the game regularly, but I think even most "good" amateurs need to realize they are closer to the fat guy sitting around watching football and bitching about the play calling than they are to the players. Because of forum settings like this people think their opinions count for more than they do, when in reality most of us have no business at all talking about what a pro should or shouldn't do.
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On October 04 2011 21:36 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 21:30 ePdeLay wrote:
lets face it...everybody gets pissed off when they lose to players that are clearly worse. Idra is a very talented player, mechanics ftw Yeah, but a lot of people have the class to not out and insult the player and rag on their skills for beating them. It's not about, "being honest and straight forward" or whatever else people like to use when referring to IdrA, it's about not being a complete asshole. In a recent vlog, Grubby lost to someone who he said he should have been able to beat and said he was quite upset about it, not once did it seem like he was delegitimizing the other player's effort or saying he was bad. I'm not saying everyone needs to be that ultra-mannered, but if he's going to delegitimize other player's wins and call them bad, are people really wondering why others do the same to him? Why don't I go and make another thread regarding IdrA's hatred of just about every other person that beats him and how he delegitimizes their wins. It's fucking stupid that anyone can be surprised that he gets a ton of shit, he dishes a massive amount out.
This pretty much sums up my views on this. I mean I don´t ¨hate¨ idra, but seriously this thread reeks of ¨I can´t handle different opinions¨. I can tell you why people dislike idra:
-He disrespects fellow competitors and the competition itself.
- He is one of the pros who whines about balance the most
-He acts as if he was the top foreigner when he is losing to them(or was) on a frequent basis.
-He disrespects the fans of the fucking games(and let me say this, without them idra would not be living the life he has now)
-His fans are annoying as fuck(well not idras fault but oh well lol antifanboys)
That being said, I like how the guy plays. I don´t hate him or anything, I respect his skill and yeah the antifanboys are as retarded as the fanboys but that doesn´t mean there are no legit reasons to not like idra.
One thing I hope is that the same idra fans who retardedly jumped into the Cruncher bandwagon hate(delegitimizing all his play blah blah blah) are not the same people complaining about the unnecessary hate for idra.
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On October 05 2011 01:07 Carny wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say. I'd say the same if I'd suck ass in every game and league i enter. The bad players are always the ones to talk the most trash.
You realize Tyler's statement refers exactly to people like you right?
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On October 05 2011 01:10 SnuggleZhenya wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 00:53 KillerSOS wrote:On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say. Someone is a bit salty. Why would you think it's a good idea to post this on the Community forums?? . Its just like any sport, if the professionals take seriously what their fans/the "community" thinks, they are wasting their time. Starcraft is a bit different because the fans to play the game regularly, but I think even most "good" amateurs need to realize they are closer to the fat guy sitting around watching football and bitching about the play calling than they are to the players. Because of forum settings like this people think their opinions count for more than they do, when in reality most of us have no business at all talking about what a pro should or shouldn't do.
The point is that pro players from other sports are smart enough not to alienate their fanbase by calling them worthless.
Especially when you are a mediocre (or in Tyler's case just bad) player with no results.
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On October 05 2011 01:11 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 01:07 Carny wrote:On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say. I'd say the same if I'd suck ass in every game and league i enter. The bad players are always the ones to talk the most trash. You realize Tyler's statement refers exactly to people like you right?
He has a point though... Tyler has had no results as of late, he's not really one to talk.
I'm not saying I'm any good at this game... I just love watching it.
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On October 05 2011 00:18 _Repo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 00:15 msjakofsky wrote:On October 05 2011 00:12 _Repo wrote:On October 04 2011 23:50 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 23:33 _Repo wrote:On October 04 2011 22:29 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:20 _Repo wrote:On October 04 2011 22:15 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:11 _Repo wrote:
I dont think the hate is just about idra specificly, but EG aswell, there does seem a lot of hatred towards EG on these forums for some reason. I'm geussing a lot of the haters are supporters of team liquid too, the fanboyism on these forums does get a bit out of control but this is a TL website so cant really blame that.
What doesnt make sense is the same people constantly bashing certain players in EG for not performing well or calling them bad players, where as most of Teamliquid members have not really won a single meaningful game since SC2 was released. Not hating just cant stand hyprocrites. HuK won Dreamhack, Jinro won MLG and went back to back Semi finals in GSL, HuK won HSC3. Ret won Assembly. Ret won Blizz invitational, Sheth went 2nd at Blizz invitational US. not meaningful? I said "most", and sorry to break it to ya but Huk is EG now. sorry to break it to you, but HuK was in TL when he won. Now he's EG and not winning.... also "most" means that 1 out all the Liquid players didnt get results? Jinro got results, TLO got results, Ret got results, HerO got results, Sheth got results, HuK got results. Only Tyler has been struggling, and we all know that he's not in the best state of mind right now, trust that if Tyler starts hardcore practicing he'll be a beast, can't wait to see how he does after the Red Bull LAN. Jinro hasnt had results since the early days of sc2, thats one. Cant remember when tlo did anything? its been so long, thats two. ret is good yea, hero is good even tho he hasnt had results but he is very new to the team. sheth isnt bad, u forgot haypro thats three. then like u said tyler, thats four. Thats almost half the team, and the other half aint on idra's or puma's level anyway. back at you then, iNcontroL -> no results. Axslav, LzGamer, StrifeCro, and whoever else on EG thats not DeMusliM -> no results. PuMa won one tourney as EG, HuK -> no results as EG. TLO has been injured for the longest time in case you're blind and can't read. Jinro has been practicing and beat FD in the All Star matches, just because hes not participating in every online event doesnt mean you can simply write him off, after all he did beat IdrA in IEM group plays. Tyler is a consistent player that always makes it out of the open bracket at every MLG. HerO is in code A. Ret and Sheth are both better zergs then IdrA. Sheth demolishing IdrA at Blizz invitational, Ret almost always steam rolling through his MLG groups. this is a team that has 7 players who consistently place well. Tyler's best run in MLG is 4th, Jinro won an MLG, Jinro went further in GSL then any foreigner (huk included), TLO has had two 5th places in MLG, HayprO's gotten a 10th place finish at MLG Ret's finished 1st at Assembly and Blizz inv and got top 8 in MLG and also wins online tourneys agaisnt the likes of nAni and qxc. HerO is in Code A and got 6th at the first MLG he attended Sheth got 2nd at Blizz invitational and consistently does well at MLG inversely, let's look at EG Axslav got 4th at IPL DeMusliM got 3rd at IEM and placed in the top 16 at Raleigh(i believe) iNcontroL got 4th at MLG IdrA won IEM and IPL(2?) and MLG DC HuK has won nothing but placed well in Raleigh, DH, MLG and HSC3 were when he was in Millenium(MLG) and Liquid(DH HSC) PuMa got 1st at IEM (He won NASL as a TSL player) and 3rd at this IEM Machine got 15th at MLG StrifeCro got 41-48th at MLG. see? both teams perform really well. So why are you trying to hate on TL so much even though they're so consistent and perform so well in team leagues? Do you really belive what you just wrote? Didnt bother reading all of it, but ret and sheth is NOT better then idra, if u think that then your deluded. Idra beat sheth much more times then sheht beating idra, same with ret And puma won 2 tournments, 2 out of 3 tournments that hes ever attended, oh yeah then there is IEM that just finished but he got 3rd place so not bad at all. his main pont was that results wise eg is not really better than tl I would have to disagree, and besides, the arguement is about who has better players, and i think its pretty safe to say idra/puma/huk/demuslim are all better then anyone on tl, apart from maybe hero, but we havent seen much of him yet.
Show me what results Demuslim has to consider him better than Ret or Sheth, unlike him they both actually posted results. Same with Idra lately. The only players for which what you wrote is true are Puma and HuK, and I would say Ret is better than HuK. And we saw reasonably much from Hero (MLG, Code A, demolishing his WCG Korea group), especially compared to Demuslim.
If you would want to somehow decide which team is better TL and EG are so close result wise and skill wise it is impossible to decide. And best foreigner team right now is quite easily mouz.
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On October 05 2011 01:11 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 01:07 Carny wrote:On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say. I'd say the same if I'd suck ass in every game and league i enter. The bad players are always the ones to talk the most trash. You realize Tyler's statement refers exactly to people like you right?
I was under the impression that it referred exactly to people like everyone who posts on these forums?
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I don't dislike Idra, but I don't really like him either. I do think he is an incredible player.
I just think he has some sort of ego reflex where he thinks he can't possibly lose. So if he does, it can't possibly be the way he played, it must be that the game is broken. I think if he played Protoss he would say similar things about Protoss being the weakest race. It is just some mental game he plays.
That coupled with the way he talks about the game (e.g. opponents are always abusing or playing abusively, instead of playing well and utilizing their advantages) just makes him come across as somewhat annoying. Basically he sounds like someone making a balance thread on the Battle.net forums. You can see how that would rub a lot of people the wrong way. It doesn't help that he also shows little respect for other players. And of course this:
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I still think he is a very talented player and I enjoyed his casts during NASL S1. As long as he isn't discussing balance/other players he also seems like a really nice guy. Congrats to him on the win.
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On October 05 2011 01:06 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 01:03 ForlornHope wrote:
Mana have beaten Puma so many time (5) and people dont give a shit about it while idra who is a teamate of puma ( know his style insideout ) got hyped over 7 lair of heaven just by beating him.The next IEM which Mana gonna attend will show how Idra and EG team suck at SC2. Wow... bitter much? While Mana has shown very good results over Puma, he has also failed to win a tournament in which Puma participated. His win at IEM Cologne was nice but similar to Elfi's win over Idra in the group stages: great, but, in the overall picture, unimportant to the final results. The other series win was in one of the Team leagues (either EGMC or the GCPL, can't remember), and I don't consider that huge either.
so your point is, that the final matches are the most important in a tournament? that's some captain obvious material there
you're also implying that matches that don't directly make you win a tournament don't show skill or what? because if you don't then your argument has nothing to do with skill. people play up to their skill level even if it's not the most important match in their lives. if it wasn't so you could construct yourself an argument everytime your favorite player loses and it's not a final match of something, that "it didn't matter" which would be delusional
also what kind of odd statement is that "mana failed to win a tournament in which Puma participated?"  you want a list about every player who failed to win tournaments in which xy player participated in? idra's list would be quite long
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doesnt idra have the biggest fanbase of all ?? ofc theres gonna be some negativity but cmon
lol at pepole freaking when a pro(tyler) said what they think about the community for real..i bet most pros think the same they just don't say it. anything positive is for show and "good image"-
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On October 05 2011 01:08 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 01:03 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 05 2011 00:59 Djzapz wrote:On October 05 2011 00:46 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 05 2011 00:41 Djzapz wrote:On October 05 2011 00:36 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 05 2011 00:34 Djzapz wrote:On October 05 2011 00:29 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 05 2011 00:25 Djzapz wrote:On October 05 2011 00:22 PlaGuE_R wrote:[quote] hey, the english had better navy and we were busy fighting elsewhere. We couldn't be everywhere at once =( you don't value beaverskin hats, I see... Nooo! we miss you, our little northern colony </3 I visited Paris once. Liked the hot chicks with rifles under the Eiffel tower. <3 I live in Paris ^_^ if you ever visit again tell me arent Parisian women frigging gorgeous? <3 :D Yes, yes indeed. Montreal women are beautiful as well, luckily! Your food is better though. =D are they? I may have to visit Montreal then :D Why of course =P Strangely my gf was imported from the US but you won't be disappointed with the locals importation is good sometimes :D I got to an American university and some of the US imported goods look very very good :D We're drifting off topic but that's OK because hot imported goods is always a valid subject to explore.
Hell yeah! especially when its hot goods imported from the US or Russia...yummy XD
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On October 05 2011 01:10 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 01:08 Plansix wrote:On October 05 2011 00:56 SKYFISH_ wrote:On October 05 2011 00:50 Plansix wrote:On October 05 2011 00:42 Dawg_Snow wrote:On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say. Not sure if troll or just very bad PR/attention whoring Tyler is pointing out how dumb the community is. and you prove his point by actually defending what he said well done, lol (: I agree with him on the point that the community is mostly drama-queens with little relevant to say. I woke up this morning excited to find out that Idra won the IEM. Although I don't agree with what he says a lot of the time, but he clearly works hard and cares when he loses. I was pumped to hear that he won and wanted to see the VODs. And then I went on TL and saw the long list of dumb. Clearly everything was fixed and Idra could not have won if "real players" were there. And you also conveniently ignore the actual majority of posters who were saying that talking about a fix was just silly. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your righteousness.
Hey, those posters are champs, because its hard to shout down morons and you get a lot of hate for it. But that doesn't change the fact that Tyler is right and most pros should simply ignore the community. It's hard to find the gems in all the trash.
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On October 05 2011 01:14 KillerSOS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 01:11 mordk wrote:On October 05 2011 01:07 Carny wrote:On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say. I'd say the same if I'd suck ass in every game and league i enter. The bad players are always the ones to talk the most trash. You realize Tyler's statement refers exactly to people like you right? He has a point though... Tyler has had no results as of late, he's not really one to talk. I'm not saying I'm any good at this game... I just love watching it.
Tyler also has a point. There's so much bullshit and retarded crap going around...just look at the cruncher thread.
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His fanclub has over 1000 pages.
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On October 05 2011 01:14 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 00:18 _Repo wrote:On October 05 2011 00:15 msjakofsky wrote:On October 05 2011 00:12 _Repo wrote:On October 04 2011 23:50 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 23:33 _Repo wrote:On October 04 2011 22:29 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:20 _Repo wrote:On October 04 2011 22:15 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 22:11 _Repo wrote:
I dont think the hate is just about idra specificly, but EG aswell, there does seem a lot of hatred towards EG on these forums for some reason. I'm geussing a lot of the haters are supporters of team liquid too, the fanboyism on these forums does get a bit out of control but this is a TL website so cant really blame that.
What doesnt make sense is the same people constantly bashing certain players in EG for not performing well or calling them bad players, where as most of Teamliquid members have not really won a single meaningful game since SC2 was released. Not hating just cant stand hyprocrites. HuK won Dreamhack, Jinro won MLG and went back to back Semi finals in GSL, HuK won HSC3. Ret won Assembly. Ret won Blizz invitational, Sheth went 2nd at Blizz invitational US. not meaningful? I said "most", and sorry to break it to ya but Huk is EG now. sorry to break it to you, but HuK was in TL when he won. Now he's EG and not winning.... also "most" means that 1 out all the Liquid players didnt get results? Jinro got results, TLO got results, Ret got results, HerO got results, Sheth got results, HuK got results. Only Tyler has been struggling, and we all know that he's not in the best state of mind right now, trust that if Tyler starts hardcore practicing he'll be a beast, can't wait to see how he does after the Red Bull LAN. Jinro hasnt had results since the early days of sc2, thats one. Cant remember when tlo did anything? its been so long, thats two. ret is good yea, hero is good even tho he hasnt had results but he is very new to the team. sheth isnt bad, u forgot haypro thats three. then like u said tyler, thats four. Thats almost half the team, and the other half aint on idra's or puma's level anyway. back at you then, iNcontroL -> no results. Axslav, LzGamer, StrifeCro, and whoever else on EG thats not DeMusliM -> no results. PuMa won one tourney as EG, HuK -> no results as EG. TLO has been injured for the longest time in case you're blind and can't read. Jinro has been practicing and beat FD in the All Star matches, just because hes not participating in every online event doesnt mean you can simply write him off, after all he did beat IdrA in IEM group plays. Tyler is a consistent player that always makes it out of the open bracket at every MLG. HerO is in code A. Ret and Sheth are both better zergs then IdrA. Sheth demolishing IdrA at Blizz invitational, Ret almost always steam rolling through his MLG groups. this is a team that has 7 players who consistently place well. Tyler's best run in MLG is 4th, Jinro won an MLG, Jinro went further in GSL then any foreigner (huk included), TLO has had two 5th places in MLG, HayprO's gotten a 10th place finish at MLG Ret's finished 1st at Assembly and Blizz inv and got top 8 in MLG and also wins online tourneys agaisnt the likes of nAni and qxc. HerO is in Code A and got 6th at the first MLG he attended Sheth got 2nd at Blizz invitational and consistently does well at MLG inversely, let's look at EG Axslav got 4th at IPL DeMusliM got 3rd at IEM and placed in the top 16 at Raleigh(i believe) iNcontroL got 4th at MLG IdrA won IEM and IPL(2?) and MLG DC HuK has won nothing but placed well in Raleigh, DH, MLG and HSC3 were when he was in Millenium(MLG) and Liquid(DH HSC) PuMa got 1st at IEM (He won NASL as a TSL player) and 3rd at this IEM Machine got 15th at MLG StrifeCro got 41-48th at MLG. see? both teams perform really well. So why are you trying to hate on TL so much even though they're so consistent and perform so well in team leagues? Do you really belive what you just wrote? Didnt bother reading all of it, but ret and sheth is NOT better then idra, if u think that then your deluded. Idra beat sheth much more times then sheht beating idra, same with ret And puma won 2 tournments, 2 out of 3 tournments that hes ever attended, oh yeah then there is IEM that just finished but he got 3rd place so not bad at all. his main pont was that results wise eg is not really better than tl I would have to disagree, and besides, the arguement is about who has better players, and i think its pretty safe to say idra/puma/huk/demuslim are all better then anyone on tl, apart from maybe hero, but we havent seen much of him yet. Show me what results Demuslim has to consider him better than Ret or Sheth, unlike him they both actually posted results. Same with Idra lately. The only players for which what you wrote is true are Puma and HuK, and I would say Ret is better than HuK. And we saw reasonably much from Hero (MLG, Code A, demolishing his WCG Korea group), especially compared to Demuslim. If you would want to somehow decide which team is better TL and EG are so close result wise and skill wise it is impossible to decide. And best foreigner team right now is quite easily mouz.
Very well said, mouz is indeed tearing it up with MaNa, MorroW and ThorZain. TL and EG are very equal in results and, with EG acquiring HuK and PuMa, are now very equal in skill.
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