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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50119 Posts
October 04 2011 16:27 GMT
#301
why the fuck does every idra thread go so damn far,actually a more important question would be why is there always a thread about anything that idra or his fans say or do?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
October 04 2011 16:28 GMT
#302
On October 05 2011 01:21 SeaSwift wrote:
ThorZain is no longer in mouz, PlaGuE_R.

Since when ?
NATO
Profile Joined April 2010
United States459 Posts
October 04 2011 16:29 GMT
#303
He's not a bad player, he's just extremely overrated. Mainly people hate him because he's so arrogant and thinks he's way better than he actually is. Just because he's not bad, doesn't mean he's good.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
October 04 2011 16:31 GMT
#304
On October 05 2011 01:23 haffy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:10 windsupernova wrote:
On October 04 2011 21:36 Mordiford wrote:
On October 04 2011 21:30 ePdeLay wrote:
lets face it...everybody gets pissed off when they lose to players that are clearly worse. Idra is a very talented player, mechanics ftw


Yeah, but a lot of people have the class to not out and insult the player and rag on their skills for beating them. It's not about, "being honest and straight forward" or whatever else people like to use when referring to IdrA, it's about not being a complete asshole.

In a recent vlog, Grubby lost to someone who he said he should have been able to beat and said he was quite upset about it, not once did it seem like he was delegitimizing the other player's effort or saying he was bad. I'm not saying everyone needs to be that ultra-mannered, but if he's going to delegitimize other player's wins and call them bad, are people really wondering why others do the same to him?

Why don't I go and make another thread regarding IdrA's hatred of just about every other person that beats him and how he delegitimizes their wins. It's fucking stupid that anyone can be surprised that he gets a ton of shit, he dishes a massive amount out.


This pretty much sums up my views on this. I mean I don´t ¨hate¨ idra, but seriously this thread reeks of ¨I can´t handle different opinions¨. I can tell you why people dislike idra:

-He disrespects fellow competitors and the competition itself.
- He is one of the pros who whines about balance the most
-He acts as if he was the top foreigner when he is losing to them(or was) on a frequent basis.
-He disrespects the fans of the fucking games(and let me say this, without them idra would not be living the life he has now)
-His fans are annoying as fuck(well not idras fault but oh well lol antifanboys)

That being said, I like how the guy plays. I don´t hate him or anything, I respect his skill and yeah the antifanboys are as retarded as the fanboys but that doesn´t mean there are no legit reasons to not like idra.

One thing I hope is that the same idra fans who retardedly jumped into the Cruncher bandwagon hate(delegitimizing all his play blah blah blah) are not the same people complaining about the unnecessary hate for idra.


So who do you hate? I get kind of confused with posts like this.

You hate Idra fan boys right? You hate anti Idra fans?

So really what your saying is you hate people talking about Idra.

But your post was about Idra, so you hate your self?

To be honest I don't really like people who can generalise a persons entire personality, or likes/dislikes from knowing very little information about someone. Hey you like basketball?! You racist! It makes as much sense to me as that.

So what I'm trying to say is I don't like people with a over simplified opinion. Or you in this case.



He hates people being idiots mostly. Or perhapes the world is divided between fanboys and anitfanboys of idra's?
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 16:32:02
October 04 2011 16:31 GMT
#305
On October 05 2011 01:21 KanoCoke wrote:
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On October 05 2011 01:05 msjakofsky wrote:
On October 05 2011 01:02 KanoCoke wrote:
It's funny how so many people talking crap about IdrA in this thread are mentioning a lot of the things IdrA has done in the past, and aren't even looking at his games in IEM.

IdrA finally mixed things up, taking down Elfi in the last game with a speedling roach all-in after he noticed Elfi commiting to a forge fast expand in Xel'Naga Caverns. You guys got what you wanted with him actually varying his strategies (even with his late game tech switches), and IdrA actually never left a game too early, always played out the games until he either won or lost really badly (especially the games against PuMa), and also was fairly respectful to everyone besides Protoss players that use strategies he personally didn't like (which just so happened to be Elfi).

Instead of just repeating what everyone else is raging about blindly, these people should actually just shut up and watch first.


maybe you should notice first that most of the people have a problem with his personality, not his play. noone thinks he is a bad player. and not thinking he is the best in the world is still not "talking crap about him", even if his fans think so

Go back and read through the early several pages again, and tell me they aren't just blindly hating on him. Read through their reasons on why they hate him.

His personality is just hit or miss, but both sides of the spectrum love spewing shit. I'm here to correct that, and make sure both sides actually know what they're talking about instead of spewing what they heard 6 or so months ago.

Yes, IdrA regularly talks shit, and often gets flamed for it, but at least he isn't a liar about what he thinks, and says exactly what is on his mind. This is why I don't mind his personality, as I know a lot of people that are just blunt about their intentions or thoughts. He's a good ZvT player that focuses on mid-game muta harass and late-game tech, which is why he always used to get taken out in the early game. People keep saying that he never learns and just keeps doing the same things over and over, but he clearly has adjusted his build orders to protect himself against early rushes and hellion harass, and has adapted different tactics to suit different maps (like his double evo on 2 base quick upgrades on big maps). People kept on saying that he just sticks to roach hydra against Protoss and just whines after he loses, but IdrA actually used a variety of builds to win himself a major title. You guys talk about how he has a shit personality, but you see him in recent interviews being amiable, even humorous, and interacting more often with the community via stream and posting on the SC2 tourneys threads.

When raging about IdrA, you guys should use better or newer excuses.


i don't remember anyone saying he is a bad player. saying that he is overrated or that he's inconsistent or saying that his results vs his teammate don't show that he is the sc2 god is nothing like that, it's just his fans that don't know the difference.

he is a good player, everyone knows that. not being a liar is not a thing to admire, not to mention that if he in fact is a nice person than he is fake. noone rages about idra. you're just angry that not everyone thinks he is as awesome as you do, which is a behavior that's difficult to take seriously

and he's been an asshole so many countless times, maybe that's the reason you love him, but you know, rational people generally don't love assholes, so that shouldn't be too hard to understand
Hazuc
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada471 Posts
October 04 2011 16:31 GMT
#306
On October 05 2011 01:29 NATO wrote:
He's not a bad player, he's just extremely overrated. Mainly people hate him because he's so arrogant and thinks he's way better than he actually is. Just because he's not bad, doesn't mean he's good.


Lol?

He's without a doubt a top 5 foreigner, so saying he's not good is pretty much the same as saying all the foreigners are bad, right?
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
October 04 2011 16:31 GMT
#307
On October 05 2011 01:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:
why the fuck does every idra thread go so damn far,actually a more important question would be why is there always a thread about anything that idra or his fans say or do?

Cuz his fans love to spread IdrA's sperm every where like a fucking virus.
SpiffD
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1264 Posts
October 04 2011 16:31 GMT
#308
On October 05 2011 01:10 windsupernova wrote:
...
-He disrespects fellow competitors and the competition itself.
-He is one of the pros who whines about balance the most
-He acts as if he was the top foreigner when he is losing to them(or was) on a frequent basis.
-He disrespects the fans of the fucking games(and let me say this, without them idra would not be living the life he has now)
-His fans are annoying as fuck(well not idras fault but oh well lol antifanboys)
...


For these reasons precicely, I don't like Idra.
Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
October 04 2011 16:33 GMT
#309
On October 05 2011 01:29 NATO wrote:
He's not a bad player, he's just extremely overrated. Mainly people hate him because he's so arrogant and thinks he's way better than he actually is. Just because he's not bad, doesn't mean he's good.


If you said this after the pool play, I'd agree with you. But I'd hardly say he's overrated now when everyone but his fans (until yesterday) felt he wasn't a top performer. Sure he got quite lucky avoiding JYP/Dimaga, but he also beat Puma (One of the top players by International ELO) and Revival, a past Code A player.

I think you'd be hard pressed to name 10 foreigners who are better than Idra right now, maybe even 5. I'd say being Top 10 outside Korea (I'm not a blind fan who thinks he's #1 or #2 or whatever) is pretty darn good.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50119 Posts
October 04 2011 16:33 GMT
#310
On October 05 2011 01:31 tuho12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:
why the fuck does every idra thread go so damn far,actually a more important question would be why is there always a thread about anything that idra or his fans say or do?

Cuz his fans love to spread IdrA's sperm every where like a fucking virus.


sometimes such threads are also made by his anti fans,the point is IdrA isn't that controversial and you don't need to give him unnecessary attention.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
October 04 2011 16:34 GMT
#311
idra is a good zerg, I like his games.. but he's ridiculously bad mannered, which I think is just plain silly.

I didn't watch IEM, matter of fact haven't seen most of his games lately.. but those 2 games with richman, the first one were he gets 2 rax rushed, he says "fuck you" and leaves the game.. sure he's a cheesy player, but get a grip on yourself.. go practice more and try being gm for once.
~ The Ultimate Weapon
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
October 04 2011 16:38 GMT
#312
IdrA complained about terran being UP in BW. Basically he just likes to complain about whatever race he's playing, and is usually wrong. I suppose that's why he gets a lot of hate, because he deserves it for a lot of what he says, especially when it's blatantly not the case.
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ak1knight
Profile Joined April 2010
United States313 Posts
October 04 2011 16:39 GMT
#313
On October 05 2011 01:31 Hazuc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:29 NATO wrote:
He's not a bad player, he's just extremely overrated. Mainly people hate him because he's so arrogant and thinks he's way better than he actually is. Just because he's not bad, doesn't mean he's good.


Lol?

He's without a doubt a top 5 foreigner, so saying he's not good is pretty much the same as saying all the foreigners are bad, right?

99% of foreigners ARE bad lol, at least compared to Code A level Koreans.
w00t
beamingrobot
Profile Joined October 2010
United States685 Posts
October 04 2011 16:40 GMT
#314
Why is this thread still alive?
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
October 04 2011 16:41 GMT
#315
IdrA is freakin amazing and plays pretty incredible games, whoever says he isn't good obviously hasn't seen him play recently or is a hater for no good reason.
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 16:45:29
October 04 2011 16:42 GMT
#316
On October 05 2011 01:27 StoRm_res wrote:

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On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say.


Sure, badmouth the people who make it possible for you to get payed to play a freaking VIDEOGAME..

lol clearly the joke went over your head. but to take you seriously anyway, don't flatter yourself. the community hardly plays an important role in anything. most fans and professionals and busy bodies don't take part in the community. 99% of the time, the community simply talks in circles around every issue. people like doing that because they like saying their opinion and they can't get enough of sc2 so they talk about it when they're not watching/playing it. no one is getting paid because Person A logs into a forum and says "apples" and Person B logs into a forum and says "oranges". it may be true that as spectators of esports, they contribute to the industry. but that has nothing to do with their participation in the community. you've got to separate their actions.

basically, i like my fans and dislike the community. if a lot of my fans participate in the community, then that's something we've got to work on...
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Hazuc
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada471 Posts
October 04 2011 16:43 GMT
#317
On October 05 2011 01:39 ak1knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:31 Hazuc wrote:
On October 05 2011 01:29 NATO wrote:
He's not a bad player, he's just extremely overrated. Mainly people hate him because he's so arrogant and thinks he's way better than he actually is. Just because he's not bad, doesn't mean he's good.


Lol?

He's without a doubt a top 5 foreigner, so saying he's not good is pretty much the same as saying all the foreigners are bad, right?

99% of foreigners ARE bad lol, at least compared to Code A level Koreans.


I was talking about the pros.
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
October 04 2011 16:43 GMT
#318
Wow he won? o.o He got out of his group by a single game I didn't expect him to win
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
October 04 2011 16:45 GMT
#319
He gets so much attention because he's american. You know what I'm talking about.
o choro é livre
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
October 04 2011 16:46 GMT
#320
On October 05 2011 01:40 beamingrobot wrote:
Why is this thread still alive?


Because people have strong pro- and anti- Idra feelings and won't shut up about it. The pro-Idra are happy because Idra has shown he's back in shape and the anti-Idra are mad because the pro-Idra are making a big deal about it.
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