EPT[IEM SPOILER] Oh the IdrA hate... - Page 17
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Jacopana
El Salvador210 Posts
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ak1knight
United States313 Posts
I am too, the only foreigners that seem to be able to compete regularly with Code A Koreans are HuK, Naniwa, and Thorzain. Others can take a few games and maybe a series once in a blue moon, but outside of those three there's no one I'd say is "good" compared to Code A. | ||
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RajaF
Canada530 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote: lol clearly the joke went over your head. but to take you seriously anyway, don't flatter yourself. the community hardly plays an important role in anything. most fans and professionals and busy bodies don't take part in the community. 99% of the time, the community simply talks in circles around every issue. people like doing that because they like saying their opinion and they can't get enough of sc2 so they talk about it when they're not watching/playing it. no one is getting paid because Person A logs into a forum and says "apples" and Person B logs into a forum and says "oranges". it may be true that as spectators of esports, they contribute to the industry. but that has nothing to do with their participation in the community. you've got to separate their actions. basically, i like my fans and dislike the community. if a lot of my fans participate in the community, then that's something we've got to work on...  It's really funny that you trash the community that your team (you know, team liquid) is supported by. Maybe this so called shitty comunity should work on getting your fans to see what an arrogant person you are. Then maybe when no one watches you play anymore and your sponsors stop caring about you, you'll start appreciating this community more. And even funnier is the fact that you have 6000+ posts in this worthless community. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote: lol clearly the joke went over your head. but to take you seriously anyway, don't flatter yourself. the community hardly plays an important role in anything. most fans and professionals and busy bodies don't take part in the community. 99% of the time, the community simply talks in circles around every issue. people like doing that because they like saying their opinion and they can't get enough of sc2 so they talk about it when they're not watching/playing it. no one is getting paid because Person A logs into a forum and says "apples" and Person B logs into a forum and says "oranges". it may be true that as spectators of esports, they contribute to the industry. but that has nothing to do with their participation in the community. you've got to separate their actions. basically, i like my fans and dislike the community. if a lot of my fans participate in the community, then that's something we've got to work on... Kinda intersting comming from a member of TL, the most important sc community website. Oh well I know you dont care but you just earned yourself one more person that does not like you. | ||
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laharl23
United States582 Posts
We just witnessed HISTORY. The games vs puma gave me nerd chills, and all people want to do is hate on idra or hate on puma for playing bad. Puma did not play bad, idra just played ridiculously good and its sad that not everybody can appreciate what we just saw. | ||
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ak1knight
United States313 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:52 laharl23 wrote: I just don't like the way people act sometimes. We just witnessed HISTORY. The games vs puma gave me nerd chills, and all people want to do is hate on idra or hate on puma for playing bad. Puma did not play bad, idra just played ridiculously good and its sad that not everybody can appreciate what we just saw. This post is an example of why people hate IdrA fanboys. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:33 FairForever wrote: If you said this after the pool play, I'd agree with you. But I'd hardly say he's overrated now when everyone but his fans (until yesterday) felt he wasn't a top performer. Sure he got quite lucky avoiding JYP/Dimaga, but he also beat Puma (One of the top players by International ELO) and Revival, a past Code A player. I think you'd be hard pressed to name 10 foreigners who are better than Idra right now, maybe even 5. I'd say being Top 10 outside Korea (I'm not a blind fan who thinks he's #1 or #2 or whatever) is pretty darn good. I can try  Thorzain, Select, Mana, Huk, Nerchio, Stephano, Dimaga, Sen, Ret. Possibly also Sheth, Demuslim, Morrow. Funny how most of them are zergs But otherwise I agree that Idra is good anyway, even if he was top 15, it still means he is extremely good.EDIT: oops forgot Naniwa | ||
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msjakofsky
1169 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:50 RajaF wrote: It's really funny that you trash the community that your team (you know, team liquid) is supported by. Maybe this so called shitty comunity should work on getting your fans to see what an arrogant person you are. Then maybe when no one watches you play anymore and your sponsors stop caring about you, you'll start appreciating this community more. it doesn't really work that way you know... anyone can register to these forums, i am a good example, because i am not a fan of any TL player or any player at all, just like to sign in and argue about shit. why should he care more about your opinion than you care about a random guy from a random place in the world? just because these people like starcraft 2 and registered at a forum? | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50752 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote: lol clearly the joke went over your head. but to take you seriously anyway, don't flatter yourself. the community hardly plays an important role in anything. most fans and professionals and busy bodies don't take part in the community. 99% of the time, the community simply talks in circles around every issue. people like doing that because they like saying their opinion and they can't get enough of sc2 so they talk about it when they're not watching/playing it. no one is getting paid because Person A logs into a forum and says "apples" and Person B logs into a forum and says "oranges". it may be true that as spectators of esports, they contribute to the industry. but that has nothing to do with their participation in the community. you've got to separate their actions. basically, i like my fans and dislike the community. if a lot of my fans participate in the community, then that's something we've got to work on... so you don't like me  ? | ||
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KanoCoke
Japan863 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:31 msjakofsky wrote: i don't remember anyone saying he is a bad player. saying that he is overrated or that he's inconsistent or saying that his results vs his teammate don't show that he is the sc2 god is nothing like that, it's just his fans that don't know the difference. he is a good player, everyone knows that. not being a liar is not a thing to admire, not to mention that if he in fact is a nice person than he is fake. noone rages about idra. you're just angry that not everyone thinks he is as awesome as you do, which is a behavior that's difficult to take seriously and he's been an asshole so many countless times, maybe that's the reason you love him, but you know, rational people generally don't love assholes, so that shouldn't be too hard to understand And here's the generic personal attack reply attempting to put words into other people's mouths. I never said in any of my posts that I think IdrA is a god. In fact, I just said he's a good ZvT player. Note the difference. Posting while angry often makes people spout bullshit, and even more bullshit when they realize that their argument doesn't have much legs to stand on, and much moreso when they find people that don't agree 100% to what they're saying. As a matter of fact, I'm not even angry. I just got into the SC2 scene during the Super Tournament and only managed to know about IdrA after checking for more info about BoxeR's transition into SC2. I found out how IdrA just used to live in Korea as a pro-gamer and went back to the US and started flopping due to lack of practice (which he admits to). I also got to know how PuMa is a great TvPer judging from how he managed to defeat MC in two tournament finals, but wasn't sure about his TvZ (which I found out later was actually pretty good, due to his effective ghost usage in late-game). Then here you guys go trying to de-legitimise IdrA's win over PuMa by saying PuMa lost on purpose. When hating on a particular person, you narrow your vision and just focus on everything you can possibly hate about them and all responses that aren't exactly siding with you all look like they're on the opposite side of your view. It happens to a lot of people, and it's clearly happening to you, as now you are clearly convinced that I'm this huge IdrA fanboy that thinks that he is the God of Starcraft II. You are also clearly convinced that I like assholes simply because it adds to your convenience so you can hate on both IdrA and me more, without trying to even confirm if I do like assholes or not (and I don't like assholes, I just think IdrA's a blunt, slightly egotistic, yet funny dude, but no, think what you want to think because you obviously have no intent to actually find out what I think in the first place. You just want someone to target your hate on IdrA onto.) | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On October 04 2011 21:25 Malinor wrote: His fanclub has only 1200pages, why does noone like him? seriously... i thought it would be over 9000 | ||
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_Repo
United Kingdom71 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:54 mcc wrote: I can try Thorzain, Select, Mana, Huk, Nerchio, Stephano, Dimaga, Sen, Ret. Possibly also Sheth, Demuslim, Morrow. Funny how most of them are zergs But otherwise I agree that Idra is good anyway, even if he was top 15, it still means he is extremely good.Yet you have no proof at all, thats your opnion which is fine, but idra can take a bo3/bo5/bo7 of any of them if he plays hes best, yet it could go either way too, take sen for example, im pretty sure they have near enough the same record in beating each other. For u to say all those are better then idra tho, shows ur just tryin to troll. | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:40 beamingrobot wrote: Why is this thread still alive? For Tyler's post alone, it is worthwhile. | ||
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RajaF
Canada530 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:55 msjakofsky wrote: it doesn't really work that way you know... anyone can register to these forums, i am a good example e, because i am not a fan of any TL player or any player at all, just like to sign in and argue about shit. why should he care more about your opinion than you care about a random guy's from a random place in the world? just because these people like starcraft 2 and registered at a forum? I don't care what he cares about or not. As far as I'm concerned, LiquidTyler is a bad player that I don't follow and I don't care about. And I also don't care about what he thinks about this community in private. However he is a representative of his team and this community by extension. And if this is the public image and message that Team Liquid wants to put out, that we're basically all just a pair of worthless eyeballs to them, then I'd rather take my 2 cents of advertising dollars and opinion to another site which at least puts the effort in not to insult me. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:53 ak1knight wrote: This post is an example of why people hate IdrA fanboys. Because he is excited about his favorite player winning and that he enjoyed watching the games? Bad choice of a post to make a example buddy. The Idra fanboys that are irritating to people(or just me at least) are the ones that,when Idra crys wolf about "imbalance",religiously quote him and classify every one of his looses to the imbalance,they worship him as a man who does not make mistakes because he is a "macro god" and the cheese devils are out to get him. | ||
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yScale
41 Posts
IdrA won IEM, he is a great player, he speaks his mind, he can come across disrespectful, he has many fans, he has many haters, he is a human being, he likes split reason shirts. Deal with it. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:16 PlaGuE_R wrote: Hell yeah! especially when its hot goods imported from the US or Russia...yummy XD Bit late on my response (I'm getting back home from uni) but yes. Not too many russian girls here sadly... | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote: lol clearly the joke went over your head. but to take you seriously anyway, don't flatter yourself. the community hardly plays an important role in anything. most fans and professionals and busy bodies don't take part in the community. 99% of the time, the community simply talks in circles around every issue. people like doing that because they like saying their opinion and they can't get enough of sc2 so they talk about it when they're not watching/playing it. no one is getting paid because Person A logs into a forum and says "apples" and Person B logs into a forum and says "oranges". it may be true that as spectators of esports, they contribute to the industry. but that has nothing to do with their participation in the community. you've got to separate their actions. basically, i like my fans and dislike the community. if a lot of my fans participate in the community, then that's something we've got to work on... You're actually going down a really slippery slope here. E-sports is not like traditional sports in the sense that the entire fan base for the game exists in the virtual world. Its not like traditional games where fans in the real world are not necessarily participants of community discussions on online forums, However in e-sports, the opposite is actually true. If you are a fan of a particular player, chances are you came first across him in an online forum/replay site/ vod, thus essentially making you a part of the "community". In most cases, the fan is actually an integral part of the "community" as you so blithely put it. How do you think MLG gets its millions of views? From only the "fans" and not the "community"? That's actually pretty delusional. Without the team liquid community, SC2 and MLG would be nowhere close to as big as they are today. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
If people feel their thoughts of hatred deserve to be shared amongst the community, then I'm afraid the community is not in a good place. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
thats my contribution for today, gotta remember not to break the circle maybe offtopic but i think idra is pretty damn good player, underrated by many, overrated by many^^ personally i try my best not to let players personality block me from seeing their skill. just to make sure everyone understands thats just a general opinion wasnt directed to idra at all since i have nothing against him as a person lol | ||
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