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Jacopana
Profile Joined September 2009
El Salvador210 Posts
October 04 2011 16:48 GMT
#321
Idra is a top world player if he wants, but just sometimes he acts too child'ish at getting mad about things that doesn't really matters, thats his only dark side. Im not surprised he won the IEM, congrats to him btw! =)
ak1knight
Profile Joined April 2010
United States313 Posts
October 04 2011 16:49 GMT
#322
On October 05 2011 01:43 Hazuc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:39 ak1knight wrote:
On October 05 2011 01:31 Hazuc wrote:
On October 05 2011 01:29 NATO wrote:
He's not a bad player, he's just extremely overrated. Mainly people hate him because he's so arrogant and thinks he's way better than he actually is. Just because he's not bad, doesn't mean he's good.


Lol?

He's without a doubt a top 5 foreigner, so saying he's not good is pretty much the same as saying all the foreigners are bad, right?

99% of foreigners ARE bad lol, at least compared to Code A level Koreans.


I was talking about the pros.

I am too, the only foreigners that seem to be able to compete regularly with Code A Koreans are HuK, Naniwa, and Thorzain. Others can take a few games and maybe a series once in a blue moon, but outside of those three there's no one I'd say is "good" compared to Code A.
w00t
RajaF
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada530 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 16:51:11
October 04 2011 16:50 GMT
#323
On October 05 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:27 StoRm_res wrote:

On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say.


Sure, badmouth the people who make it possible for you to get payed to play a freaking VIDEOGAME..

lol clearly the joke went over your head. but to take you seriously anyway, don't flatter yourself. the community hardly plays an important role in anything. most fans and professionals and busy bodies don't take part in the community. 99% of the time, the community simply talks in circles around every issue. people like doing that because they like saying their opinion and they can't get enough of sc2 so they talk about it when they're not watching/playing it. no one is getting paid because Person A logs into a forum and says "apples" and Person B logs into a forum and says "oranges". it may be true that as spectators of esports, they contribute to the industry. but that has nothing to do with their participation in the community. you've got to separate their actions.

basically, i like my fans and dislike the community. if a lot of my fans participate in the community, then that's something we've got to work on...


It's really funny that you trash the community that your team (you know, team liquid) is supported by.

Maybe this so called shitty comunity should work on getting your fans to see what an arrogant person you are. Then maybe when no one watches you play anymore and your sponsors stop caring about you, you'll start appreciating this community more.

And even funnier is the fact that you have 6000+ posts in this worthless community.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
October 04 2011 16:51 GMT
#324
On October 05 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:27 StoRm_res wrote:

On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say.


Sure, badmouth the people who make it possible for you to get payed to play a freaking VIDEOGAME..

lol clearly the joke went over your head. but to take you seriously anyway, don't flatter yourself. the community hardly plays an important role in anything. most fans and professionals and busy bodies don't take part in the community. 99% of the time, the community simply talks in circles around every issue. people like doing that because they like saying their opinion and they can't get enough of sc2 so they talk about it when they're not watching/playing it. no one is getting paid because Person A logs into a forum and says "apples" and Person B logs into a forum and says "oranges". it may be true that as spectators of esports, they contribute to the industry. but that has nothing to do with their participation in the community. you've got to separate their actions.

basically, i like my fans and dislike the community. if a lot of my fans participate in the community, then that's something we've got to work on...

Kinda intersting comming from a member of TL, the most important sc community website.

Oh well I know you dont care but you just earned yourself one more person that does not like you.
Off-season = best season
laharl23
Profile Joined February 2011
United States582 Posts
October 04 2011 16:52 GMT
#325
I just don't like the way people act sometimes.

We just witnessed HISTORY. The games vs puma gave me nerd chills, and all people want to do is hate on idra or hate on puma for playing bad.

Puma did not play bad, idra just played ridiculously good and its sad that not everybody can appreciate what we just saw.
ak1knight
Profile Joined April 2010
United States313 Posts
October 04 2011 16:53 GMT
#326
On October 05 2011 01:52 laharl23 wrote:
I just don't like the way people act sometimes.

We just witnessed HISTORY. The games vs puma gave me nerd chills, and all people want to do is hate on idra or hate on puma for playing bad.

Puma did not play bad, idra just played ridiculously good and its sad that not everybody can appreciate what we just saw.

This post is an example of why people hate IdrA fanboys.

User was temp banned for this post.
w00t
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 16:57:40
October 04 2011 16:54 GMT
#327
On October 05 2011 01:33 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:29 NATO wrote:
He's not a bad player, he's just extremely overrated. Mainly people hate him because he's so arrogant and thinks he's way better than he actually is. Just because he's not bad, doesn't mean he's good.


If you said this after the pool play, I'd agree with you. But I'd hardly say he's overrated now when everyone but his fans (until yesterday) felt he wasn't a top performer. Sure he got quite lucky avoiding JYP/Dimaga, but he also beat Puma (One of the top players by International ELO) and Revival, a past Code A player.

I think you'd be hard pressed to name 10 foreigners who are better than Idra right now, maybe even 5. I'd say being Top 10 outside Korea (I'm not a blind fan who thinks he's #1 or #2 or whatever) is pretty darn good.

I can try
Thorzain, Select, Mana, Huk, Nerchio, Stephano, Dimaga, Sen, Ret.
Possibly also Sheth, Demuslim, Morrow.

Funny how most of them are zergs But otherwise I agree that Idra is good anyway, even if he was top 15, it still means he is extremely good.

EDIT: oops forgot Naniwa
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 16:57:22
October 04 2011 16:55 GMT
#328
On October 05 2011 01:50 RajaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On October 05 2011 01:27 StoRm_res wrote:

On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say.


Sure, badmouth the people who make it possible for you to get payed to play a freaking VIDEOGAME..

lol clearly the joke went over your head. but to take you seriously anyway, don't flatter yourself. the community hardly plays an important role in anything. most fans and professionals and busy bodies don't take part in the community. 99% of the time, the community simply talks in circles around every issue. people like doing that because they like saying their opinion and they can't get enough of sc2 so they talk about it when they're not watching/playing it. no one is getting paid because Person A logs into a forum and says "apples" and Person B logs into a forum and says "oranges". it may be true that as spectators of esports, they contribute to the industry. but that has nothing to do with their participation in the community. you've got to separate their actions.

basically, i like my fans and dislike the community. if a lot of my fans participate in the community, then that's something we've got to work on...


It's really funny that you trash the community that your team (you know, team liquid) is supported by.

Maybe this so called shitty comunity should work on getting your fans to see what an arrogant person you are. Then maybe when no one watches you play anymore and your sponsors stop caring about you, you'll start appreciating this community more.


it doesn't really work that way you know... anyone can register to these forums, i am a good example, because i am not a fan of any TL player or any player at all, just like to sign in and argue about shit. why should he care more about your opinion than you care about a random guy from a random place in the world? just because these people like starcraft 2 and registered at a forum?
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
October 04 2011 16:56 GMT
#329
On October 05 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:27 StoRm_res wrote:

On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say.


Sure, badmouth the people who make it possible for you to get payed to play a freaking VIDEOGAME..

lol clearly the joke went over your head. but to take you seriously anyway, don't flatter yourself. the community hardly plays an important role in anything. most fans and professionals and busy bodies don't take part in the community. 99% of the time, the community simply talks in circles around every issue. people like doing that because they like saying their opinion and they can't get enough of sc2 so they talk about it when they're not watching/playing it. no one is getting paid because Person A logs into a forum and says "apples" and Person B logs into a forum and says "oranges". it may be true that as spectators of esports, they contribute to the industry. but that has nothing to do with their participation in the community. you've got to separate their actions.

basically, i like my fans and dislike the community. if a lot of my fans participate in the community, then that's something we've got to work on...


so you don't like me ?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
October 04 2011 16:57 GMT
#330
On October 05 2011 01:31 msjakofsky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:21 KanoCoke wrote:
On October 05 2011 01:05 msjakofsky wrote:
On October 05 2011 01:02 KanoCoke wrote:
It's funny how so many people talking crap about IdrA in this thread are mentioning a lot of the things IdrA has done in the past, and aren't even looking at his games in IEM.

IdrA finally mixed things up, taking down Elfi in the last game with a speedling roach all-in after he noticed Elfi commiting to a forge fast expand in Xel'Naga Caverns. You guys got what you wanted with him actually varying his strategies (even with his late game tech switches), and IdrA actually never left a game too early, always played out the games until he either won or lost really badly (especially the games against PuMa), and also was fairly respectful to everyone besides Protoss players that use strategies he personally didn't like (which just so happened to be Elfi).

Instead of just repeating what everyone else is raging about blindly, these people should actually just shut up and watch first.


maybe you should notice first that most of the people have a problem with his personality, not his play. noone thinks he is a bad player. and not thinking he is the best in the world is still not "talking crap about him", even if his fans think so

Go back and read through the early several pages again, and tell me they aren't just blindly hating on him. Read through their reasons on why they hate him.

His personality is just hit or miss, but both sides of the spectrum love spewing shit. I'm here to correct that, and make sure both sides actually know what they're talking about instead of spewing what they heard 6 or so months ago.

Yes, IdrA regularly talks shit, and often gets flamed for it, but at least he isn't a liar about what he thinks, and says exactly what is on his mind. This is why I don't mind his personality, as I know a lot of people that are just blunt about their intentions or thoughts. He's a good ZvT player that focuses on mid-game muta harass and late-game tech, which is why he always used to get taken out in the early game. People keep saying that he never learns and just keeps doing the same things over and over, but he clearly has adjusted his build orders to protect himself against early rushes and hellion harass, and has adapted different tactics to suit different maps (like his double evo on 2 base quick upgrades on big maps). People kept on saying that he just sticks to roach hydra against Protoss and just whines after he loses, but IdrA actually used a variety of builds to win himself a major title. You guys talk about how he has a shit personality, but you see him in recent interviews being amiable, even humorous, and interacting more often with the community via stream and posting on the SC2 tourneys threads.

When raging about IdrA, you guys should use better or newer excuses.


i don't remember anyone saying he is a bad player. saying that he is overrated or that he's inconsistent or saying that his results vs his teammate don't show that he is the sc2 god is nothing like that, it's just his fans that don't know the difference.

he is a good player, everyone knows that. not being a liar is not a thing to admire, not to mention that if he in fact is a nice person than he is fake. noone rages about idra. you're just angry that not everyone thinks he is as awesome as you do, which is a behavior that's difficult to take seriously

and he's been an asshole so many countless times, maybe that's the reason you love him, but you know, rational people generally don't love assholes, so that shouldn't be too hard to understand

And here's the generic personal attack reply attempting to put words into other people's mouths. I never said in any of my posts that I think IdrA is a god. In fact, I just said he's a good ZvT player. Note the difference. Posting while angry often makes people spout bullshit, and even more bullshit when they realize that their argument doesn't have much legs to stand on, and much moreso when they find people that don't agree 100% to what they're saying.

As a matter of fact, I'm not even angry. I just got into the SC2 scene during the Super Tournament and only managed to know about IdrA after checking for more info about BoxeR's transition into SC2. I found out how IdrA just used to live in Korea as a pro-gamer and went back to the US and started flopping due to lack of practice (which he admits to). I also got to know how PuMa is a great TvPer judging from how he managed to defeat MC in two tournament finals, but wasn't sure about his TvZ (which I found out later was actually pretty good, due to his effective ghost usage in late-game). Then here you guys go trying to de-legitimise IdrA's win over PuMa by saying PuMa lost on purpose.

When hating on a particular person, you narrow your vision and just focus on everything you can possibly hate about them and all responses that aren't exactly siding with you all look like they're on the opposite side of your view. It happens to a lot of people, and it's clearly happening to you, as now you are clearly convinced that I'm this huge IdrA fanboy that thinks that he is the God of Starcraft II. You are also clearly convinced that I like assholes simply because it adds to your convenience so you can hate on both IdrA and me more, without trying to even confirm if I do like assholes or not (and I don't like assholes, I just think IdrA's a blunt, slightly egotistic, yet funny dude, but no, think what you want to think because you obviously have no intent to actually find out what I think in the first place. You just want someone to target your hate on IdrA onto.)
Will always cheer for: MMA Bomber Taeja Curious Life herO Zest
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
October 04 2011 16:58 GMT
#331
On October 04 2011 21:25 Malinor wrote:
His fanclub has only 1200pages, why does noone like him?



seriously... i thought it would be over 9000
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
_Repo
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom71 Posts
October 04 2011 16:59 GMT
#332
On October 05 2011 01:54 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:33 FairForever wrote:
On October 05 2011 01:29 NATO wrote:
He's not a bad player, he's just extremely overrated. Mainly people hate him because he's so arrogant and thinks he's way better than he actually is. Just because he's not bad, doesn't mean he's good.


If you said this after the pool play, I'd agree with you. But I'd hardly say he's overrated now when everyone but his fans (until yesterday) felt he wasn't a top performer. Sure he got quite lucky avoiding JYP/Dimaga, but he also beat Puma (One of the top players by International ELO) and Revival, a past Code A player.

I think you'd be hard pressed to name 10 foreigners who are better than Idra right now, maybe even 5. I'd say being Top 10 outside Korea (I'm not a blind fan who thinks he's #1 or #2 or whatever) is pretty darn good.

I can try
Thorzain, Select, Mana, Huk, Nerchio, Stephano, Dimaga, Sen, Ret.
Possibly also Sheth, Demuslim, Morrow.

Funny how most of them are zergs But otherwise I agree that Idra is good anyway, even if he was top 15, it still means he is extremely good.


Yet you have no proof at all, thats your opnion which is fine, but idra can take a bo3/bo5/bo7 of any of them if he plays hes best, yet it could go either way too, take sen for example, im pretty sure they have near enough the same record in beating each other.

For u to say all those are better then idra tho, shows ur just tryin to troll.
Junichi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1056 Posts
October 04 2011 16:59 GMT
#333
On October 05 2011 01:40 beamingrobot wrote:
Why is this thread still alive?


For Tyler's post alone, it is worthwhile.
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
RajaF
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada530 Posts
October 04 2011 17:00 GMT
#334
On October 05 2011 01:55 msjakofsky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:50 RajaF wrote:
On October 05 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On October 05 2011 01:27 StoRm_res wrote:

On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say.


Sure, badmouth the people who make it possible for you to get payed to play a freaking VIDEOGAME..

lol clearly the joke went over your head. but to take you seriously anyway, don't flatter yourself. the community hardly plays an important role in anything. most fans and professionals and busy bodies don't take part in the community. 99% of the time, the community simply talks in circles around every issue. people like doing that because they like saying their opinion and they can't get enough of sc2 so they talk about it when they're not watching/playing it. no one is getting paid because Person A logs into a forum and says "apples" and Person B logs into a forum and says "oranges". it may be true that as spectators of esports, they contribute to the industry. but that has nothing to do with their participation in the community. you've got to separate their actions.

basically, i like my fans and dislike the community. if a lot of my fans participate in the community, then that's something we've got to work on...


It's really funny that you trash the community that your team (you know, team liquid) is supported by.

Maybe this so called shitty comunity should work on getting your fans to see what an arrogant person you are. Then maybe when no one watches you play anymore and your sponsors stop caring about you, you'll start appreciating this community more.


it doesn't really work that way you know... anyone can register to these forums, i am a good example e, because i am not a fan of any TL player or any player at all, just like to sign in and argue about shit. why should he care more about your opinion than you care about a random guy's from a random place in the world? just because these people like starcraft 2 and registered at a forum?


I don't care what he cares about or not. As far as I'm concerned, LiquidTyler is a bad player that I don't follow and I don't care about. And I also don't care about what he thinks about this community in private.

However he is a representative of his team and this community by extension. And if this is the public image and message that Team Liquid wants to put out, that we're basically all just a pair of worthless eyeballs to them, then I'd rather take my 2 cents of advertising dollars and opinion to another site which at least puts the effort in not to insult me.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 17:01:46
October 04 2011 17:00 GMT
#335
On October 05 2011 01:53 ak1knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:52 laharl23 wrote:
I just don't like the way people act sometimes.

We just witnessed HISTORY. The games vs puma gave me nerd chills, and all people want to do is hate on idra or hate on puma for playing bad.

Puma did not play bad, idra just played ridiculously good and its sad that not everybody can appreciate what we just saw.

This post is an example of why people hate IdrA fanboys.

Because he is excited about his favorite player winning and that he enjoyed watching the games?
Bad choice of a post to make a example buddy.
The Idra fanboys that are irritating to people(or just me at least) are the ones that,when Idra crys wolf about "imbalance",religiously quote him and classify every one of his looses to the imbalance,they worship him as a man who does not make mistakes because he is a "macro god" and the cheese devils are out to get him.
Cackle™
yScale
Profile Joined June 2010
41 Posts
October 04 2011 17:00 GMT
#336
I wanted to make a post reply in form of a detailed analysis, but after reading the whole thread I got so fed up with the exaggeration, stubbornness and amount of hate thrown around that I am just going to say this:

IdrA won IEM, he is a great player, he speaks his mind, he can come across disrespectful, he has many fans, he has many haters, he is a human being, he likes split reason shirts.

Deal with it.
He, who never made a mistake, never tried anyting new.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
October 04 2011 17:00 GMT
#337
On October 05 2011 01:16 PlaGuE_R wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:08 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 01:03 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:59 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:46 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:41 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:36 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:34 Djzapz wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:29 PlaGuE_R wrote:
On October 05 2011 00:25 Djzapz wrote:
[quote]
=( you don't value beaverskin hats, I see...


Nooo! we miss you, our little northern colony </3

I visited Paris once. Liked the hot chicks with rifles under the Eiffel tower.
<3


I live in Paris ^_^ if you ever visit again tell me arent Parisian women frigging gorgeous? <3 :D

Yes, yes indeed. Montreal women are beautiful as well, luckily! Your food is better though. =D


are they? I may have to visit Montreal then :D

Why of course =P
Strangely my gf was imported from the US but you won't be disappointed with the locals


importation is good sometimes :D I got to an American university and some of the US imported goods look very very good :D


We're drifting off topic but that's OK because hot imported goods is always a valid subject to explore.


Hell yeah! especially when its hot goods imported from the US or Russia...yummy XD

Bit late on my response (I'm getting back home from uni) but yes. Not too many russian girls here sadly...
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
October 04 2011 17:01 GMT
#338
On October 05 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:27 StoRm_res wrote:

On October 05 2011 00:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
No one cares. We know the community is worthless. After a while, we learn to ignore everything you say.


Sure, badmouth the people who make it possible for you to get payed to play a freaking VIDEOGAME..

lol clearly the joke went over your head. but to take you seriously anyway, don't flatter yourself. the community hardly plays an important role in anything. most fans and professionals and busy bodies don't take part in the community. 99% of the time, the community simply talks in circles around every issue. people like doing that because they like saying their opinion and they can't get enough of sc2 so they talk about it when they're not watching/playing it. no one is getting paid because Person A logs into a forum and says "apples" and Person B logs into a forum and says "oranges". it may be true that as spectators of esports, they contribute to the industry. but that has nothing to do with their participation in the community. you've got to separate their actions.

basically, i like my fans and dislike the community. if a lot of my fans participate in the community, then that's something we've got to work on...



You're actually going down a really slippery slope here. E-sports is not like traditional sports in the sense that the entire fan base for the game exists in the virtual world. Its not like traditional games where fans in the real world are not necessarily participants of community discussions on online forums, However in e-sports, the opposite is actually true. If you are a fan of a particular player, chances are you came first across him in an online forum/replay site/ vod, thus essentially making you a part of the "community". In most cases, the fan is actually an integral part of the "community" as you so blithely put it.

How do you think MLG gets its millions of views? From only the "fans" and not the "community"? That's actually pretty delusional. Without the team liquid community, SC2 and MLG would be nowhere close to as big as they are today.
Envy fan since NTH.
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
October 04 2011 17:03 GMT
#339
IdrA gets lots of haters because people feel that they are obliged to speak hate towards him because they feel like it. It has become so common spread that such disgusting player bashing is now becoming mainstream. Look at an LR thread when IdrA loses, replace every 'Idra' with 'Morrow', then post all those messages in Morrow's fanclub - that's how bad it gets sometimes.

If people feel their thoughts of hatred deserve to be shared amongst the community, then I'm afraid the community is not in a good place.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
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Last Edited: 2011-10-04 17:07:27
October 04 2011 17:04 GMT
#340
i counter your oranges with bananas

thats my contribution for today, gotta remember not to break the circle

maybe offtopic but i think idra is pretty damn good player, underrated by many, overrated by many^^

personally i try my best not to let players personality block me from seeing their skill. just to make sure everyone understands thats just a general opinion wasnt directed to idra at all since i have nothing against him as a person lol
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