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On October 04 2011 21:30 Orome wrote:
Idra polarizes. His haters are annoying, but his mindless fanboys are equally so. I mean for heaven's sake, someone in the LR thread said he was the Michael Jordan of Sc2.
Do you really need to hear reasons as to why people might dislike Idra? Anyone who rages and insults opponents as much as he does is going to have people who dislike him. Whether this stuff bothers you is for you to decide, but it's not all that difficult to fathomwhere the hate comes from.
Yeah, but it's all talk. Remember how sAviOr in his prime used to split the community? The guy didn't have a single shred of bad mannerism at that time, still people would hate on him for...well...winning. He was too invincible, too solid and the community pushed him into this "endboss" suit making him almost more fearsome than he already was.
People hate on Idra for not showing emotions. Hell there was an entire proteam in BW that showed no emotions.
Let him say and do whatever the fuck he wants. In the end, actions speaks louder than words. Every programer knows that.
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Honnestly, I'm really thankful to Idra. As a Protoss player, I'm always happy to meet a whiny Zerg fan of Idra who thinks that P is OP. The zerg is just whining, and then playing bad, giving me a win 
If these Zergs players were fan of Losira, Coca or Nestea, that would have been a lot of loses for me.
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Well he's BM. That can be fun, but he's just always whining, and in so many games I see from him he randomly throws big groups of units away because of poor micro or bad rally's.
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On October 04 2011 21:39 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 21:26 svefnleysi wrote:
He's a bad mannered egomaniac and you're surprised people don't like him?
Now that he has some results (I'm not counting IPL season 1 as "results") maybe he can afford a bit more to act the way he does.
However, a win is a win, and people shouldn't be taking away from that. Congrats to Idra. He won MLG DC in 2010, two showmatches (against HuK and QXC respectively) and USA IeSF qualifier in addition to the first IPL. Most of the respect people have for him comes from him being one of the few foreigners to go to Korea and join a pro-team in BW. He wasn't particularly successful in BW, staying on CJ's B-team for the longest time if I can recall, but he got further than 90% of all "good" foreigners ever did. So there is plenty of reason to respect IdrA as a player, I didn't even mention his good GSL finish. He hasn't been performing very well recently, so people try to come up with excuses for him winning IEM now and just hate on him more, as far as I understand anyway.
Most of the respect in SC2 for IdrA comes from 1: Past Achievements 2: Early success in foreign SC2 (King of the Beta, MLG Dallas, IEM finals etc) 3: The only foreigner except HuK now who has been consistant in GSL during his time in Korea.
IdrA has a lot more fans than fanboys to be honest. He is the only player in the community that can get 20k viewers while streaming.
I'm not an IdrA fan at all but threads like these are extremely stupid. IdrA is one of the biggest names in SC2 with a gigantic fanbase. (I'm not a hater either, hating players is something retards do)
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He is decent but when he says things like "u are a waste of human life" and "i DESERVED to win that" i just cant see myself cheering for him.
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everytime someone says that idra isnt the greatest player ever his fanboys interpret that as saying he is bad. he isnt, but hes nothing special. nerchio, stephano, sheth, sen and several others are on the same level.
and idras zvz really isnt that impressive. his zvt stands out
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On October 04 2011 21:45 Gevna wrote:Honnestly, I'm really thankful to Idra. As a Protoss player, I'm always happy to meet a whiny Zerg fan of Idra who thinks that P is OP. The zerg is just whining, and then playing bad, giving me a win If these Zergs players were fan of Losira, Coca or Nestea, that would have been a lot of loses for me.
I'm a Terran who doesnt think P is OP lol
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On October 04 2011 21:41 Hetz wrote:
Idra is a great player. Protoss indeed is way to easy being way too strong. The effort put into vs the reward, thats what he is trying to say, and he is totally right.
Besides, since the last patch, I heard zerg win rates vs protoss are dropping at an amazing rate.
Protoss is way too easy? seriously? SERIOUSLY? no. just....no, no, no, no and again no. if mediocre zergs like IdrA cant beat protosses that doesnt mean that Protoss is too easy. The fact that IdrA beat MC shows that zerg is too easy. Look at GSL, + Show Spoiler +only ONE protoss got out of the group stages....and he just lost 0-2 to, what was it, CoCa....what race is he again? oh yes, a Zerg.
so don't you bring balance whining to the table, cuz i could give a fucking carpet list that proves that protoss is underpowered if you wanted, and that STILL wouldn't do anything good for anyone! so don't about imbalance when you're clearly wrong, and IdrA is clearly wrong and has been wrong about ZvP for about 8 months now.
EDIT: Edited out GSL Code S spoiler
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I don't really hate Idra. I don't like him either because I can't cheer for someone that insults his opponents and cries OP every time he loses.
Oh and his haters/fanboys are really annoying
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He is for many, the (American) Zerg hope.
He is BM, he complains alot, he got results in the past yet hasn't until well now.
He is a member of team EG.
Really, is it hard to do the math?
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On October 04 2011 21:45 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
everytime someone says that idra isnt the greatest player ever his fanboys interpret that as saying he is bad. he isnt, but hes nothing special. nerchio, stephano, sheth, sen and several others are on the same level.
and idras zvz really isnt that impressive. his zvt stands out
Sheth is miles ahead of IdrA in terms of skill. IdrA's ZvT is also pretty bad, he keeps doing retarded attacks into siege tank lines with nothing but a couple a lings and like 4 blings... I remember watching his series agaisnt Bomber at Raleigh and was blown away by how terrible his ZvT was on Shakuras Plateau in that series. Now, I've not had the chance to watch IEM, but I know that his ZvT was really effing bad at Raleigh, with PuMa and DeMusliM in his house he probably got a lot better, but i need to check out the vods to know.
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On October 04 2011 21:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 21:41 Hetz wrote:
Idra is a great player. Protoss indeed is way to easy being way too strong. The effort put into vs the reward, thats what he is trying to say, and he is totally right.
Besides, since the last patch, I heard zerg win rates vs protoss are dropping at an amazing rate. Protoss is way too easy? seriously? SERIOUSLY? no. just....no, no, no, no and again no. if mediocre zergs like IdrA cant beat protosses that doesnt mean that Protoss is too easy. The fact that IdrA beat MC shows that zerg is too easy. Look at GSL, only ONE protoss got out of the group stages....and he just lost 0-2 to, what was it, CoCa....what race is he again? oh yes, a Zerg. so don't you bring balance whining to the table, cuz i could give a fucking carpet list that proves that protoss is underpowered if you wanted, and that STILL wouldn't do anything good for anyone! so don't about imbalance when you're clearly wrong, and IdrA is clearly wrong and has been wrong about ZvP for about 8 months now.
Actually, he was right.
Even though that guy said a dumb comment, please don't say equally retarded things making Protoss look bad. Protoss used to be easy vs Zergs, just mass Collosi with blink stalkers. It was never hard 5-6 months ago. Now it is
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An absolute shitty topic. You are referencing stuff that is completely untrue. Just check the IEM topic - final day - to see how many are cheering on Idra. I really don't get where you are getting this 'hate' from, checking his biggest of all fanclubs i really start to wonder what right of excistence this topic has..
Another easy idra topic to pump out replies.
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2nd thread a random idiot posting crap. There's a reason why he got banned.
First poll:
When most people voted he was the Zerg guy who won a MLG last year and then fell into oblivion. NA only tournaments (like IPL S1) didnt count too much of his strength on a global level.
"No results" basically means "not the best foreigner" for a lot of people. And it doesnt really matter if his losses were from lack of mental strength or just bad play - the best foreigner doesnt have either.
+ Show Spoiler [IEM] +If his IEM victory is the dawn of a new Idra era or just another fluke remains to be seen. If it's the former then people will surely consider him as the best foreigner again. If not it's no hate if they just dont think he's up on par with other foreigners
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bla bla bla... cant wait to fast forward to the next tourney he'll win
10000000000x of thread like this will appear...
things just wont (easily) change
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I dont hate him as a player i dont like him as player becausei think he plays boring. As a person i kinda like him hes interesting to watch in that way. When it comes to balance hes redicoulus its like mixing fire and water.
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On October 04 2011 21:49 Kipsate wrote:
He is for many, the (American) Zerg hope.
He is BM, he complains alot, he got results in the past yet hasn't until well now.
He is a member of team EG.
Really, is it hard to do the math?
All of that and insulting his opponent and asking to his fans to harass someone because he didn't agree with him.
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On October 04 2011 21:50 Benzzro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 21:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2011 21:41 Hetz wrote:
Idra is a great player. Protoss indeed is way to easy being way too strong. The effort put into vs the reward, thats what he is trying to say, and he is totally right.
Besides, since the last patch, I heard zerg win rates vs protoss are dropping at an amazing rate. Protoss is way too easy? seriously? SERIOUSLY? no. just....no, no, no, no and again no. if mediocre zergs like IdrA cant beat protosses that doesnt mean that Protoss is too easy. The fact that IdrA beat MC shows that zerg is too easy. Look at GSL, + Show Spoiler +only ONE protoss got out of the group stages....and he just lost 0-2 to, what was it, CoCa....what race is he again? oh yes, a Zerg. so don't you bring balance whining to the table, cuz i could give a fucking carpet list that proves that protoss is underpowered if you wanted, and that STILL wouldn't do anything good for anyone! so don't about imbalance when you're clearly wrong, and IdrA is clearly wrong and has been wrong about ZvP for about 8 months now. Actually, he was right. Even though that guy said a dumb comment, please don't say equally retarded things making Protoss look bad. Protoss used to be easy vs Zergs, just mass Collosi with blink stalkers. It was never hard 5-6 months ago. Now it is
sorry, IdrA has been wrong about ZvP for the last 6 months, because he STILL claims the same bullshit that he did back when zerg didnt understand how to deal with the death ball. "oh, he just won cause hes a protoss" no, he won cuz you suck at this match up and instead of actively improving you blame it on imbalance.
equally retarded? did + Show Spoiler +SangHo not JUST get raped by CoCa?
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This thread is not going to end nice.
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Well, I do not hate IdrA. Nor do I wish him dead or do I hope that he fails in every tournament he enters. In the end he, just as any other player, deserves to win his games and tournaments.
However, the reason why I'm not a fan of IdrA is basically because of three points:
- The fact that he is bad mannered within the bounderies of Starcraft II and often disrespects players even though he himself has not been performing outstanding over the past several months.
- My assumption that IdrA seems self-centered and has trouble seeing that a loss does not (only) happen due to imbalances, 'stupid' (yet valid) strategies or 'coin-flip situations'. He seems a tad arrogant, thinking that he is right with his strategies and that these should win him the game no matter what while he has several things to improve (his Infestor micro for example).
- My assumption that IdrA is consistingly placing himself (and the Zerg race) in an underdog position as the worst race that is 'unable to win games'. This can lead tot a 'tilt' or a mental breakdown (even though it's completely not necessary) and we all know what happens next.
Additionally, the problem that IdrA has is not unique or very special but it's exaggerated by his fanclub. Everytime IdrA loses people come here with strange and unreasonable excuses why IdrA lost instead of accepting that their favourite player is not invincible in the game he plays. Disrespecting IdrA's opponents, citating old quotes from IdrA or even, without thinking, following his 'orders' (go spam a moderator because i'm banned from TL and therefore not streaming).
So, because I can't identify with both IdrA himself aswell as his fanclub, I do not consider myself a fan. This does not mean I don't like him winning, of course not. I does simply mean I'm not rooting for him as a personal favourite.
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