These numbers do not prove anything except that APM measuring means nothing.

I play all three races at reasonably similar levels. When I play zerg, my APM is measured higher. Does that mean I am better at it? FUCK NO! It doesn't even mean I am working harder. Honestly I think zerg and terran "train" marine and zerglings add a lot of inflation to the APM count.

"Protoss EZPZ" is retarded. All this "mechanics" and shit is just bullcrap.

SafeAsCheese

United States4924 Posts

September 24 2011 04:27 GMT

#42

MLG apm

Notice the APM of the best protoss of the time.

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Weebem-Na

United States221 Posts

September 24 2011 04:28 GMT

#43

Someone close this thread it's making me rage.

JackhammerIV

United Kingdom221 Posts

September 24 2011 04:28 GMT

#44

Well......aren't Protoss units in general higher supply than the other two races. So macro wise it would technically require less actions to reach max supply. So......yeah Protoss needs less APM macro wise. What's the big deal?? If you want it to go up make all gateway units 1 supply.

EDIT: So strange no one is bringing this up. Instead all talking about deathballs and turtle style. For Zerg/Terran to get two supply of units at the most basic level would take 2 actions. For Protoss it takes 1 action. Mystery solved.

ePdeLay

Australia220 Posts

September 24 2011 04:28 GMT

#45

protoss just sits back until they have a deathball, multi-tasking is irrelevant

Medrea

10003 Posts

September 24 2011 04:28 GMT

#46

On September 24 2011 13:27 SafeAsCheese wrote:
MLG apm

Notice the APM of the best protoss of the time.

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Pretty much identical to the other races yes.

SafeAsCheese

United States4924 Posts

September 24 2011 04:29 GMT

#47

On September 24 2011 13:28 Medrea wrote:

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Pretty much identical to the other races yes.

Pretty much shows that only protoss playing over 200 APM actually win anything and that it actually is quite important.

K3Nyy

United States1961 Posts

September 24 2011 04:30 GMT

#48

There's a difference between most easiest and most mechanically demanding. There's really nothing to do but build units when playing Protoss sadly.

Medrea

10003 Posts

September 24 2011 04:30 GMT

#49

On September 24 2011 13:29 SafeAsCheese wrote:

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Pretty much shows that only protoss playing over 200 APM actually win anything and that it actually is quite important.

Yeah alright, I guess I can maybe do that. Man there are a lot of silver league remarks in this thread.

EDIT: Reading through the thread, holy shit do threads like this bring out the double digit posters.

Ruscour

5233 Posts

September 24 2011 04:31 GMT

#50

A highly active style of Protoss isn't viable, this is pretty expected. Reaver drops in HotS please :D

Andre

Slovenia3523 Posts

September 24 2011 04:31 GMT

#51

The protoss APM reflects the general playstyle of protosses more than their lack of skill...
If you'd see heavy harass from P every game you'd have different numbers, but most tend to play a deathball style with a DT thrown in here and there.
Just watch Hero multitask his warpprism&phoenixes and you'll see 250apm ^^

Yoshi Kirishima

United States10377 Posts

September 24 2011 04:32 GMT

#52

They might be easier in the APM aspect regarding how much APM you need in order to play at the pro level, but doesn't mean Protoss is easier of course

Anyways, the results are just as I suspected. Thanks for gathering the data.

shakenbake

United States207 Posts

September 24 2011 04:32 GMT

#53

z is higher because of making 100 lings in 2 seconds if 50 apm.

more unit = more apm.

IrOnKaL

United States340 Posts

September 24 2011 04:33 GMT

#54

Saying protoss is easier because of some math and looking at apm is ridiculous. We don't que units like zerg and terran do therefore contributing to the majority of the difference. Solved.

absalom86

Iceland1770 Posts

September 24 2011 04:33 GMT

#55

Is this some kind of stealth protoss hate post ? Latter part of the OP sounds a lot like it, some harsh words.

I think the main reason protoss is the lowest apm is because their units are slow, cumbersome and clumsy. Zerg apm is inflated with the 5sd5sd, creep tumor spreading, injecting and especially ling micro early game.

Protoss has no real map presence early game, so they don't really start with any apm at all. You don't run your zealots around checking stuff out and such, and terran units are very microable. The most active protoss unit is probably the pheonix and it doesn't really see much use compared to zergs and terrans fast units ( mutalisks, speedlings, marines, hellions, banshees etc. ).

Protoss is the slow race, dead set race which relies on timing attacks and only has certain windows to even be able to move around the map without being surrounded by lings or cleaned up by a bio ball.

Medrea

10003 Posts

September 24 2011 04:34 GMT

#56

On September 24 2011 13:32 shakenbake wrote:
z is higher because of making 100 lings in 2 seconds if 50 apm.

more unit = more apm.

Yes pretty much this. Train marine and train zergling spells inflate APM by a lot. As does any sort of unit queue mechanic.

synapse

China13814 Posts

September 24 2011 04:34 GMT

#57

On September 24 2011 13:09 DiuLaSing wrote:

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these "harass" unit requires the toss pretty much all in early game...toss tech tree isnt as easy to switch as other race...

Tell me 200/0 is harder to pull than 300/300 for Z drop or 300/200 for Z nydus (network + worm) >.>

On September 24 2011 13:34 Medrea wrote:

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Yes pretty much this. Train marine and train zergling spells inflate APM by a lot. As does any sort of unit queue mechanic.

I'm pretty sure holding the button down only counts as 1action now... and nobody is going to zzzzzzzzzzzz 50 pairs of lings.

Drowsy

United States4876 Posts

September 24 2011 04:34 GMT

#58

I think we've known since early beta that protoss requires less apm. It was the same way in broodwar. Protoss was undeniably easier to play in broodwar. The running gag in BW was that the C level zergs could always just switch to protoss and make it up to C+/B- really quickly. Protoss is easier to play at all but the highest levels just because its easier to get everything done that needs to be done as far as multitasking/mechanics, and that's what holding most people back until they reach higher levels. When you get to Kor GM league/Code B or whatever, obviously this doesn't matter very much.

TeaGreen

Canada147 Posts

September 24 2011 04:36 GMT

#59

Yup because APM is a non-spammable/skew-able accurate representation of skill and represents %100 of the skill required to play. The game only consists of mechanics and no strategy. Strategy doesn't exist in this RTS game therefore Protoss is the easiest race.

There also aren't any examples of Protosses that have APM above 200. They just simply don't exist.

...

Wow whoever wrote the opening post is astonishingly narrow minded. Obviously there's fucking trends in this game but you can't tunnel vision this hard.

Medrea

10003 Posts

September 24 2011 04:36 GMT

#60

OK looks like 3 out of 4 posters in this thread aren't being silly and saying "protoss ez" and actually spot the subtle protoss whine in the OP.

I guess I am ok with this, carry on.