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I heard once George Bush say that we were all Americans, in regards to the tragedy that occurred that day. I can understand Kennedy's "Ich bin ein Berliner", but this message left me speechless.
I'm French and Chilean. I've never been an American citizen.
3000 people died. It IS a tragedy. But it was very far away from home, and I was very young. I woud even add that as a member of the growing internet generation, I've been exposed to such horrors that my sensibility has greatly decreased.
So, no, I do not care that much to be honest, and I believe I'm not alone. 9/11 is comparable, to me, to Katrina, Fukushima, Pakistan's earthquake... a tragedy but nothing of international and absolute concern. It makes me sad but it won't prevent me from having a nice, sunny day. And if you ever want to call me an insensitive idiot, I'll answer: where were you when thousands of Tutsis were murdered in horrible ways? Probably enjoying a nice ice cream. But if f you really care every second of your life, feel free to throw the first stone!
So why is 9/11 so important to the rest of the world? Because it was a harsh blow not only to the USA, but to the West in general.
What is the West? It's a bubble of wealth. We, as the western - european - culture, profit from the rest of the world. Our favored position depends directly of the suffering and hard labour of dominated countries in Asia, South America and Africa. Currents events in the Middle-East are proof: interventionnism is only a way to secure our interests while using the shiny shield of morality and justice.
9/11 is a symbol, it's a shiver down the American spine. It reminds everyone that we are not walking on ground, but on people. We are those who fuel the hate. Everyone is responsible for what they support, and for what they decide to let happen.
And even though it has been declared as a day of mourning by the international authorities (well excuse me French government but I don't think you care that much neither anyway), I feel like it is necessary to remind everyone that the famous press agency Reuters refuses to use the word terrorist...
... because some people's terrorists are other people's resistance fighters.
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If you're talking about South America and Africa I'm not so sure, but for many Asian nations, all I can say is if there were no America and Europe to buy their goods, they wouldn't have developed so fast economically.
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If you don't care, keep it to yourself.
No one wants to hear why someone doesn't care because it shouldn't be something you care enough to talk about.
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Oh man the bans are going to be rolling out today. Bad day for the pathetic trolls to come out.
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Yeah but they also wouldn't have to develop so fast because there's no Western interests threatening to sap your resources. China wants to develop into a force rivaling Western nations so it won't be subservient to stronger forces. Without that incentive, who knows what it will be like now.
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On September 11 2011 23:57 Torte de Lini wrote:
If you don't care, keep it to yourself.
No one wants to hear why someone doesn't care because it shouldn't be something you care enough to talk about.
Exactly what I'm thinking. You don't need to post something that will only cause controversy
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He felt the need to tell us he doesn't care? Carecup sure is full in here ...
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On September 11 2011 23:57 Torte de Lini wrote:
If you don't care, keep it to yourself.
No one wants to hear why someone doesn't care because it shouldn't be something you care enough to talk about.
Exactly, i dont start threads about things i dont care about, because well, i dont care about them.
Seems like you just want to get attention.
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Yes! Just what we need! More 9/11 threads.
Also OP since you're european why didnt you make a snarky remark about why Americans care so much about November 9th?
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If you want my honest opinion, I'm guessing most people in the world don't care about 9/11, at least not really. I live in America and was an adult when it occurred, and it still barely affected me at all. However, most people who don't care have the courtesy to keep that opinion away from public forums, where there are people who were probably affected deeply by the events of that day. And certainly this is the least appropriate day of the year to be having this conversation.
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This is better off as a blogpost, honestly.
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It's a necessary controversy, IMO. There are nearly 7 billion people in the world and it's important to look at the big picture.
My point though is not that I don't care, it's that as a person who doesn't care that much for the tragedy, the interest resides in the symbolic side of the event. I don't really see how to change to title to fit better though.
If you have any suggestions and/or feel the title is too provocative, feel free to express yourself, I don't mind changing it.
Edit: wait, I can't change the title, can I? And if this is better fitted to be in blogs, I don't mind the mods moving it neither. I just wanted to discuss 9/11 as a symbol and not as a tragedy. "RIP" doesn't make things go very far IMO.
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it doesn't matter for me too, but i don't just go around trying to create more internet wars
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So if something gets attacked in France, we'll feel sorry for you. But we won't make threads that say we don't care.
Leave 9/11 to the mourners here in America and around the world and keep your negative opinion to yourself.
The nerve of some people...
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10 threads about why people *do* care about 9/11 inc...
Everyone's got an opinion on everything. They're not all going to be the same.
Can we at least post them all in the same, already-created thread?
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I may agree with you that 9/11 is just one of many tragedies that happen every year all around the world, however there are two things that make it more important: the fact that it was an attack directed to what was always considered the core of Western economy (just think at what WTC stands for) and the consequences of the attack: basically all the "war-to-terrorism" thing that originated from that.
Also I have not understand the last phrase, you don't consider someone who took ~3000 innocent lifes a "terrorist"? You consider them "resistance fighters"?
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All the mods must be sleeping or something.
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He felt the need to tell us he doesn't care? Carecup sure is full in here ...
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On September 12 2011 00:03 Kukaracha wrote:
It's a necessary controversy, IMO. There are nearly 7 billion people in the world and it's important to look at the big picture.
My point though is not that I don't care, it's that as a person who doesn't care that much for the tragedy, the interest resides in the symbolic side of the event. I don't really see how to change to title to fit better though.
If you have any suggestions and/or feel the title is too provocative, feel free to express yourself, I don't mind changing it.
Uhm yes I have a suggestion
Can this thread go into the closed forum?
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How can he compare the biggest terrorist attack this century to a natural disaster? lol wtf?
Resistance fighters? every muslim i have met hates the extremist taliban / other divisions because it brings them hatred, prejudice and has an effect on their lives.
You sir are an IDIOT. and a completely insensitive one at that, why the fuck post something like this on 9/11, any other day fine, voice your opinion, you'll be banned but meh who cares.
I am english and 9/11 does not really "affect" me in anyway, however my hearts go out to the people who were effected and i do not pull shit like this, your ridiculous. The simple fact you would post / think / say something like this on 9/11 itself to people who have potentially been directly effected makes you a terrible person IMO.
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On September 11 2011 23:57 Torte de Lini wrote:
If you don't care, keep it to yourself.
No one wants to hear why someone doesn't care because it shouldn't be something you care enough to talk about.
Pretty much this. Seem like this is a thinly veiled troll.
IF you dont care, keep it to yourself, and go enjoy your day as you planned.
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What I read:
"I don't care about 9/11, oh, but I care enough to make a thread declaring that I don't care. That is all."
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On September 11 2011 23:55 Kukaracha wrote:
I heard once George Bush say that we were all Americans, in regards to the tragedy that occurred that day. I can understand Kennedy's "Ich bin ein Berliner", but this message left me speechless.
... so.
You are left speechless because an american president used big words to describe an extremely important moment in american history ... so speechless you had to make a thread about it.
I think you are the weird one.
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This is better off as a blog, and if you're gonna post about controversial stuff then at least have the decency to not do it on the very day that people mourn/remember 9/11
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On September 12 2011 00:03 Kukaracha wrote:
It's a necessary controversy, IMO. There are nearly 7 billion people in the world and it's important to look at the big picture.
My point though is not that I don't care, it's that as a person who doesn't care that much for the tragedy, the interest resides in the symbolic side of the event. I don't really see how to change to title to fit better though.
If you have any suggestions and/or feel the title is too provocative, feel free to express yourself, I don't mind changing it.
For Americans, I think the most important thing about the anniversary is the reminder that we are not invincible. Prior to 9/11, nobody would ever think of such a thing occurring in America, and well...it hasn't been repeated since, but that doesn't mean it can't be. Speaking as someone who wasn't personally affected by the tragedy, I choose to use this day as a reminder to live my life to the fullest, because you never know what may happen tomorrow.
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How are terrorists resistance fighters? It's very simple. Where do you think aggressive extremism comes from?
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On September 11 2011 23:55 Kukaracha wrote:
I heard once George Bush say that we were all Americans, in regards to the tragedy that occurred that day. I can understand Kennedy's "Ich bin ein Berliner", but this message left me speechless.
It wasn't George Bush who said this, it was a headline in Le Monde.
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People care because it is an attack that could have happened to any one of us living in the west. All of us could have been on one of those airplanes, all of us could have been in one of the twin towers. The people targetted by these attacks were people like 'us', which is why it was such a big deal in the public mind.
Are there more terrible events, yea sure. But people can't relate to africans in the same way that they can to the people dying in terrorist attacks in the west, neither can people relate in the same way to soldiers as they do to their equals. However harsh this might sound: Nobody is shocked when africans die of hunger or slaughter eachother over the meagre available resources, it has become a sad fact of life that they do. Nobody is surprised when soldiers die, that's what they signed up for after all.
However, the realization that any one of us are a target of terrorists simply by virtue of taking the bus to school, the subway to work or because you're a cleaning lady in a skyscraper, that is a big deal. For the same reason the terrorist attack in Norway was such a big deal. The kids that got shot there could have been your neighbours, your own or your average classmate.
Oh and you could have made a way better post without the raging on 'interventionism'. I think pretty much every agrees by now that unilateral (US) interventionism over the last decade has been a disaster, but that's no reason to write off the system as a whole. The question why 9/11 is considered so important is interesting, but the explanation you're giving for it makes absolutely no sense.
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United States24751 Posts
This is just your opinion so I'm moving it to blogs.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
If you think 9/11 only affected the western world then you are dillusional.
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If you don't care, then that's your own opinion and viewpoint. Why would you have to go about telling people this? Are you actually here to seek approval of your standpoint?
I don't understand the objective of people like this.
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On September 11 2011 23:55 Kukaracha wrote:
9/11 is comparable, to me, to Katrina, Fukushima, Pakistan's earthquake... a tragedy but nothing of international and absolute concern.
The difference is everything you put in your list is a natural disaster, and 9/11 is something that humans did to other humans. For you to put a terrorist act on the same level as an earthquake blows my mind. I'm sorry that you are so desensitized to not feel sorry about a terrorist act that killed thousands (regardless of where it happened).
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9/11 is a kick in the US pride, thats the actual reason why it's such a bigtalk...sad, but true.
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Keep your silver league grammar and poor syntax to yourself if you "don't care". You sound like an angry chilean socialist, perhaps you have some complaints about your economic savior Pinochet while you're complaining about the West?
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On September 11 2011 23:57 Torte de Lini wrote:
If you don't care, keep it to yourself.
No one wants to hear why someone doesn't care because it shouldn't be something you care enough to talk about.
Agree with you 100% man. Trolls need to get out today. Not a good day to say stupid stuff like that. Please keep it t yourself
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errr i mean natural disasters are big and all and may have killed more people, but 9/11 shaped a decade of history. it was a huge turning point not just in american history but the whole world's. think of it like when the market first crashed at the start of the recession(lehman bros etc). it was a turning point in the financial world that shaped the world that we are still feeling today.
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I care, of course I feel sorry for the families of those who lost relatives or friends. But I don't care for the American state, it had it coming a long time.
But ofc everyone should care when it happens to America. Weren't there a lot of Americans involved in funding the IRA?
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Soooo, France has the most stupid fanboys in TL and now the most stupid blog ever, we are awesome! (-_____-) Thank god we have Stephano :D
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There's a lot of negative answers here. If you intend to be part of a community who share the exact same opinions as you, then TL may not be the right place.
It's fine to not care about 9/11, why should it be closed or the OP banned ? I don't get this.
Looks like the only opinion you should be able to express on 9/11 is sympathy, RIP and so forth. Why should it be like that ? The OP was in no way disrespectful to anyone, if you disagree with the OP that's fine, but let the OP express disagreement with you as well.
No need to be angry because someone stated that they're not interested in the same things as you are.
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Feels like a ploy to get attention by making a thread like this. All human suffering is bad and of course what happened in Rwanda and places like that is equally (if not more so) as tragic as what happened on 9/11/2001 but that doesn't mean you come out on the day when many are mourning over family to say "ah well I come from the 'internets' so I don't give a fuck, its all "our" fault anyways". The freedom fighter thing was hilarious too though, I think most people all around the world would not call those douche-bags those two words, because they were coward pussies who threw fucking passenger planes into civilian targets.
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It's all relative, the OP fails to realize that and because it doesn't personally affect him or his country (Even though it does), he just feigns the shrugging method of: "hey other people suffered too, so we shouldn't feel so down because these people suffered, even if the minority".
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Calgary25990 Posts
This is the one act of moderation I will admit upfront is extremely biased, but the OP is an assortment of really bold statements with nothing backing them up.
Edit: If you want the freedom of being able to write a Blog about how the western world exploits others for their personal benefit and how 9/11 isn't important, register a blogspot account and keep it off TL.
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