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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne

There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55
RDaneelOlivaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Vatican City State733 Posts
August 25 2011 02:23 GMT
#641
So many changes. I like a lot of them but it seems like this could radically shift the metagame. Give the players time to develop new strats instead of just nerfing everything blizz
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
August 25 2011 02:23 GMT
#642
Now its terrans turn to cry about the patch!
infestor nerf not as bad as i thought
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Conquest101
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1395 Posts
August 25 2011 02:23 GMT
#643
On August 25 2011 11:21 shinyA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 11:11 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 25 2011 11:10 shinyA wrote:
PvT problems - Ghost counters everything / 1-1-1 is OP
Blizzard solution - Buff the Immortal which is countered by Ghost's and useless against 1-1-1


PvZ problems - Infestor stops blink and counters pretty much every P unit.
Blizzard solutoin - Reduce the damage by nothing and nerf blink research timing.

Immortal is useless versus 1-1-1?

Nah, it's really good against the Marines and Banshees.


Tanks???

Though I actually agree with you.

Phoenix > Immortal against Marine/Tank/Banshee.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 02:24:33
August 25 2011 02:23 GMT
#644
On August 25 2011 11:21 shinyA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 11:11 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 25 2011 11:10 shinyA wrote:
PvT problems - Ghost counters everything / 1-1-1 is OP
Blizzard solution - Buff the Immortal which is countered by Ghost's and useless against 1-1-1


PvZ problems - Infestor stops blink and counters pretty much every P unit.
Blizzard solutoin - Reduce the damage by nothing and nerf blink research timing.

Immortal is useless versus 1-1-1?

Nah, it's really good against the Marines and Banshees.

I guess Zealots suck versus 1-1-1 too then.


On August 25 2011 11:23 Conquest101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 11:21 shinyA wrote:
On August 25 2011 11:11 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 25 2011 11:10 shinyA wrote:
PvT problems - Ghost counters everything / 1-1-1 is OP
Blizzard solution - Buff the Immortal which is countered by Ghost's and useless against 1-1-1


PvZ problems - Infestor stops blink and counters pretty much every P unit.
Blizzard solutoin - Reduce the damage by nothing and nerf blink research timing.

Immortal is useless versus 1-1-1?

Nah, it's really good against the Marines and Banshees.


Tanks???

Though I actually agree with you.

Phoenix > Immortal against Marine/Tank/Banshee.

Good luck lifting any Tanks with your 4 range Phoenixes with a bunch of Marines under them.
skunkz
Profile Joined April 2011
France32 Posts
August 25 2011 02:23 GMT
#645
Finally... they realized something was broken THANK YOU blizzard.
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humbre
Profile Joined August 2011
353 Posts
August 25 2011 02:23 GMT
#646
"Transports can no longer unload units into a dense area if the original order was issued on a fogged location."


what does it mean? i wont be able to shiftclick unload units anymore ?

jjd323
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom17 Posts
August 25 2011 02:23 GMT
#647
They should make EMP clear fungal growth and give the templar a similar dispel ability and leave the damage as it is.
Moonling
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States987 Posts
August 25 2011 02:24 GMT
#648
Barracks change is a little excessive. Proxy 2 gate, or just 2 gate in general will be hard to hold now 5 seconds is a lot! especially when a zealot is coming against a marine. Other than good changes, like the infest or nerf deff. needed. Blink, eh could help zergs out a little bit but will stillb e used the same the ultralisk build time is awesome! Like the raven change also make we will see a lot of hunter seeker
1% of koreans control 99% of starcraft winnings. #occupykorea.
SemperSC
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 02:24:40
August 25 2011 02:24 GMT
#649
On August 25 2011 11:22 avilo wrote:
Terrans should stand up in droves right now just like all the Zerg whiners do. If you ever want mech to stay viable.

First they nerfed the tank because of STEPPES OF WAR. Wrap that around your brain and comprehend that - they nerfed the tank because of one imba mech map the size of your pinky.

Then they gave the thor energy back. Thors were good TvP, just like tanks were before that, but nono, too much like brood war - gotta make sure we don't have that, so they gave thors energy again just to make it a sitting duck. And think about this...they nerfed the fuck outta that after just ONE SERIES OF THORZAIN VS MC....LOL. "Wait and see how things develop..."LOL guess it has to be Z for that balance philosophy to hold true.

Now this...now they are even trying to kill the hellion to completely finish killing off mech. Zergs whine and QQ all the time and blizzard listens...Terrans where are you? You just gonna let them "wait and see" for months on infestors, but after one MLG they immediately nerf hellions...? You gonna stand for that Terran players? ?????

I do not know what they are thinking, WAY too soon to even touch hellions. "Wait and see.." sure, they wait and see...if it's ZERG. Because they are the most vocal majority of whiners.

Stand up for yourselves Terrans.


I rather wait for the patch then practice and adapt : )

Barracks change is dumb though.
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
August 25 2011 02:24 GMT
#650
On August 25 2011 11:22 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
i think the barracks change is bad but other than that i am fine with all of the terran changes, needs a bunker change


Someone should test how good 10gate is now.
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DarkOmen
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada72 Posts
August 25 2011 02:24 GMT
#651
Just conjecture at a glance: I think they decreased the cost of overseers to allow for easier detection, and the energy cost of contaminate was a countermeasure so ppl dont start spamming the new cheaper overseers and mass contaminating.
"I'm on a pumpkin pie diet right now. It's all I eat. I feel like I'm gonna die, but it's so delicious." - Artosis
RyuChus
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada442 Posts
August 25 2011 02:24 GMT
#652
Barracks
Build time increased from 60 to 65.

Hellion
Infernal Pre-Igniter damage upgrade decreased from 10 to 5.

Thats bull.. Really? REALLY? Like you need a supply depot before barracks and now you increase build time for barracks? REALLY?

I think the hellion thing was necessary though, it almost doubled damage to light units, and it was becoming a problem. Although you can no longer 2 shot workers i believe?
I have an announcement to make, "Moo!" That is all.
DeckOneBell
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States526 Posts
August 25 2011 02:24 GMT
#653
I'm pretty alright with the patches, I'd still love for toss early, early game to get some love (though some will disagree with me).

Immortal buff might actually be a pretty large effect.
TA.GaMei
Profile Joined August 2010
Dominican Republic23 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 02:25:45
August 25 2011 02:24 GMT
#654
On August 25 2011 10:46 TT1 wrote:

Barracks
Build time increased from 60 to 65
= ?

= ok


This will help other races to scout better, why ppl doesnt realize about this?

As protoss player this will have a ton, about knowing what opening Terran will do.
ElusoryX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Singapore2047 Posts
August 25 2011 02:24 GMT
#655
wow things that i never expect to change are changing o.o
xd
vertigo1
Profile Joined October 2010
Scotland174 Posts
August 25 2011 02:25 GMT
#656
its not a real patch notes unless the bunker build time is changed.
trolling is a art
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
August 25 2011 02:25 GMT
#657
On August 25 2011 11:22 avilo wrote:
Terrans should stand up in droves right now just like all the Zerg whiners do. If you ever want mech to stay viable.

First they nerfed the tank because of STEPPES OF WAR. Wrap that around your brain and comprehend that - they nerfed the tank because of one imba mech map the size of your pinky.

Then they gave the thor energy back. Thors were good TvP, just like tanks were before that, but nono, too much like brood war - gotta make sure we don't have that, so they gave thors energy again just to make it a sitting duck. And think about this...they nerfed the fuck outta that after just ONE SERIES OF THORZAIN VS MC....LOL. "Wait and see how things develop..."LOL guess it has to be Z for that balance philosophy to hold true.

Now this...now they are even trying to kill the hellion to completely finish killing off mech. Zergs whine and QQ all the time and blizzard listens...Terrans where are you? You just gonna let them "wait and see" for months on infestors, but after one MLG they immediately nerf hellions...? You gonna stand for that Terran players? ?????

I do not know what they are thinking, WAY too soon to even touch hellions. "Wait and see.." sure, they wait and see...if it's ZERG. Because they are the most vocal majority of whiners.

Stand up for yourselves Terrans.


Isn't the raven buff a buff for mech?

Should help with holding a position at least.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
August 25 2011 02:26 GMT
#658
Oh this will surely affect PVP by a lot, no more 1 base colossus timing!!!
No range colossus will useless against immortals.
Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
August 25 2011 02:26 GMT
#659
FUCKING awesome
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
August 25 2011 02:26 GMT
#660
Where's MC at? I need to watch him mess around with this new shit.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
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