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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne

There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55
Razakel
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland466 Posts
August 25 2011 02:19 GMT
#621
Terran changes are bad but I can live with them, to all the people in this thread who are openly celebrating you might want to relax. Patch still has to be tested, it's likely a few things will change before the end.

Still I like most of the changes, particularly the Warp Prism, Ultralisk and Raven. Three pretty underused units.
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
August 25 2011 02:19 GMT
#622
The Barracks nerf might be over doing it even if it does bring it in line with gateways, but the rest of the changes seem like a pretty solid way to improve all the PvX match ups, less gimped immortals especially seem like they actually might be worth their cost against armored units now.
common_cider
Profile Joined July 2011
342 Posts
August 25 2011 02:19 GMT
#623
Drones were buffed and scvs were nerfed in this patch if you look in the nonbanlance patch section. SCVs can't juke and jive when they start and stop building stuff Drones not whiffing when they attack will do a lot against early rushes
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Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
August 25 2011 02:20 GMT
#624
Awesome changes. I'm not happy about the Blink changes though, imo it wasn't too strong at all...
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
August 25 2011 02:20 GMT
#625
Are blue flames useless now?You can`t 2 shot workers with them anymore...
Very meh patch, seems like they gave in to the QQ.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
SnowK
Profile Joined June 2011
United States245 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 02:20:38
August 25 2011 02:20 GMT
#626
On August 25 2011 11:18 branflakes14 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 11:17 Kinky wrote:
On August 25 2011 11:13 pyaar wrote:
Raven
Seeker missile movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953.


Sweet mother of mercy. TvT just got a lot more interesting.

The only thing that really changes is that banshees/vikings can't outrun HSM now. Not like it matters, HSM can't one-shot them.


What happens if a Viking being chased by a HSM lands?


Pretty sure it follows it to the ground.
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jkang
Profile Joined May 2011
United States404 Posts
August 25 2011 02:20 GMT
#627
now immortals can actually hit an infestor
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
August 25 2011 02:20 GMT
#628
On August 25 2011 11:17 Kinky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 11:13 pyaar wrote:
Raven
Seeker missile movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953.


Sweet mother of mercy. TvT just got a lot more interesting.

The only thing that really changes is that banshees/vikings can't outrun HSM now. Not like it matters, HSM can't one-shot them.

Because they can't be one-shotted it doesn't matter? I think the TvT air battle is going to look much different now.
KaBoom300
Profile Joined January 2011
United States225 Posts
August 25 2011 02:20 GMT
#629
This blows my psionic mind. I love Immortals, and apparently so does Blizz I'm super excited
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DrThorMD
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada359 Posts
August 25 2011 02:21 GMT
#630
Fair Patch I guess. The terran changes MIGHT be a little bit too much but am happy with the zerg and toss changes. As a random player, I'm finally looking forward to a patch. Which is awesome.
Damn your Chronoboosts!
shinyA
Profile Joined November 2008
United States473 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 02:33:31
August 25 2011 02:21 GMT
#631
On August 25 2011 11:11 ZAiNs wrote:
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On August 25 2011 11:10 shinyA wrote:
PvT problems - Ghost counters everything / 1-1-1 is OP
Blizzard solution - Buff the Immortal which is countered by Ghost's and useless against 1-1-1


PvZ problems - Infestor stops blink and counters pretty much every P unit.
Blizzard solutoin - Reduce the damage by nothing and nerf blink research timing.

Immortal is useless versus 1-1-1?

Nah, it's really good against the Marines and Banshees.

And they completely ruined PvP.

No one is going to go Blink anymore, a Sentry pretty much stops it with the change in vision from low ground + the nerf in timing.

Everyone will Colossus battle which is soooo much fun...
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
August 25 2011 02:21 GMT
#632
Buffed HSM, reasonably nerfed barracks build time, good busy mode, ultra spawn time better... Better warp prism, ranged immortal. This is an epic patch.
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
August 25 2011 02:22 GMT
#633
Ok, I just checked and did the math, BFH still 2 shot workers. Bleh.

Still happy by the overall changes.
Gameplay > Personality
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 02:23:20
August 25 2011 02:22 GMT
#634
Terrans should stand up in droves right now just like all the Zerg whiners do. If you ever want mech to stay viable.

First they nerfed the tank because of STEPPES OF WAR. Wrap that around your brain and comprehend that - they nerfed the tank because of one imba mech map the size of your pinky.

Then they gave the thor energy back. Thors were good TvP, just like tanks were before that, but nono, too much like brood war - gotta make sure we don't have that, so they gave thors energy again just to make it a sitting duck. And think about this...they nerfed the fuck outta that after just ONE SERIES OF THORZAIN VS MC....LOL. "Wait and see how things develop..."LOL guess it has to be Z for that balance philosophy to hold true.

Now this...now they are even trying to kill the hellion to completely finish killing off mech. Zergs whine and QQ all the time and blizzard listens...Terrans where are you? You just gonna let them "wait and see" for months on infestors, but after one MLG they immediately nerf hellions...? You gonna stand for that Terran players? ?????

I do not know what they are thinking, WAY too soon to even touch hellions. "Wait and see.." sure, they wait and see...if it's ZERG. Because they are the most vocal majority of whiners.

Stand up for yourselves Terrans.
Sup
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
August 25 2011 02:22 GMT
#635
T_T Hellions. Mech TvP has just died RIP. Hellions should be 75minerals now and be faster.

But overall good ideas.
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DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 02:22:45
August 25 2011 02:22 GMT
#636
i love the hellion nerf but its not enough i think? I mean 1/1/1 still a big issue...
Maybe the new range for immortal will make a difference.
Cryhavoc
Profile Joined April 2010
372 Posts
August 25 2011 02:22 GMT
#637
On August 25 2011 11:19 pyaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 11:18 Cryhavoc wrote:
so now infestors do 70 damage instead 47 to vikings and stalkers and a little less to marines i dont understand the nerf.


it's not +40, it's 40

oh k miss understand cool patch than lol
En Taro Adun!
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
August 25 2011 02:22 GMT
#638
On August 25 2011 11:19 CPTBadAss wrote:
Um, are we sure this is the patch? I don't see any buffs/nerfs associated with the bunkers. Did the OP fuck up? =P

Bunkers are nerfed as a result of the barracks nerf, and this

SCVs will now always face the building when resuming construction.
SCVs can no longer repair themselves while inside a Bunker or Medivac.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
August 25 2011 02:22 GMT
#639
On August 25 2011 11:17 Kinky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 11:13 pyaar wrote:
Raven
Seeker missile movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953.


Sweet mother of mercy. TvT just got a lot more interesting.

The only thing that really changes is that banshees/vikings can't outrun HSM now. Not like it matters, HSM can't one-shot them.


it matters quite a lot, when you have to spend a few extra seconds splitting up your units to avoid splash, even 1 second is significant

also now you can kill worker lines easier (they can't outrun either! lol!) and kill marines, medivacs, etc etc...
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A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
August 25 2011 02:22 GMT
#640
i think the barracks change is bad but other than that i am fine with all of the terran changes, needs a bunker change
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