Why is protoss considered to be the "easiest race" - Page 15

On August 11 2011 07:11 mXWeird wrote:
Well its simply because protoss needs really less macro and multitask than terran and zerg... I played zerg and toss at master lvl and I had like 40 APM less when I was playing toss. Mechanically it is obvious that protoss is easier.

On August 11 2011 07:13 Yaotzin wrote:

Easier at master level which is a joke, yes. Name a remotely good Protoss at a high level with poor mechanics? Compared with say Goody...

On August 11 2011 07:13 Yaotzin wrote:

Easier at master level which is a joke, yes. Name a remotely good Protoss at a high level with poor mechanics?

On August 11 2011 07:04 Yaotzin wrote:

He's saying that it's easier for Terran to queue up units and mule after the fight than for Protoss to stop microing to go warp in. OTOH as mentioned Toss gets the units very quickly while Terran gets a cool conga line so 6/half a dozen.

On August 11 2011 07:16 mXWeird wrote:


Where did I say that high level toss have poor mechanics? They have good mechanics! But still they need less to be effective than high lvl terran or zerg.

CrunCher.

On August 11 2011 07:16 mXWeird wrote:


Where did I say that high level toss have poor mechanics? They have good mechanics! But still they need less to be effective than high lvl terran or zerg.

On August 11 2011 07:17 ffadicted wrote:
High diamond random player here, lemme break it down
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On August 11 2011 07:25 Poopi wrote:
I think that it's considered the easiest because it is the easiest mechanically, and the easiest from bronze to master. But it's probably why it's the hardest to win with at top level, because it's hard to differenciate from other protoss.
But the micro (high level) /positionning is far from easy, it's just that you can get away with bad micro until mid or even high master I presume

On August 11 2011 05:07 jonathan1 wrote:
in my opinion, it's because they don't have the ability to move out of their base with small amounts of units to harass very well. we can see much more multi-tasking from terran and zerg players while protoss tend to sit in their base more and just focus on macro.

On August 11 2011 07:17 ffadicted wrote:
High diamond random player here, lemme break down my opinion

Low Levels (Bronze-Silver):

Hardest race is Zerg, without question. Nobody can properly larva inject at this point, because larva inject is so good that if they could they wouldn't be in this level lol What's this, air units? How come nothing I have hits air? What's a spore crawler? I can make more than one queen lol? Totally did not scout this 14 minute 8 voidray "timing attack". Why are merinz so strong? When I attack tank, why everything die? Imbuuuuuu

Easiest race is Protoss. Easy and very forgiving macro mechanic, warp in, buff units that will generally win most small engagements, most accessible and easy to use tier 3, Colossi murder everything at this point.

Mid-Low Levels (Gold-Plat)

Hardest race is Terran. At this point most people know what counters what and how to scout sh*t semi descently. Problem is, stuff is REALLY good against terran when terran can't micro properly. Banelings and infestors will dominate ZvT because i dunno h2split and leapfrog??? Also this is around the time where zerg players start getting scary when they're not harrassed, and terrans at this level just won't have the necessary clean and efficient harrass and timings that they need to really punish the other player. Same problem goes for splash damage in PvT.

Easiest race is probably still protoss, but I think at this point they tie with Zerg. Protoss can still win a lot of games with mainly abusive things, but when talking macro game (which should be starting around this level), Zergs will benefit from being left alone a lot of the time, and also from the effective A-move nature of their swarm at this point. They just can't remax like they should.

Mid Levels (Diamond-Low Masters)

Hardest race is Protoss. Colossi are no longer free win units that counter ground, your abusive play can now be stopped by smart players, and you are stuck rushing to tier 3 units to counter sh*t that costs 25 gas. Mass roach and Mass bio will give you nightmares, especially now that players can actually multitask and realize that they don't have to sit in their base until one big battle to end the game. Protoss has to be familiar with the most amount of timings and has to constantly look for ways to get even the smallest advantage, or they're f*cked. Least effective a-move units at this points honestly.

Easiest is Zerg. Zerg definitly knows how to inject and balance drones/units at this point, and begin to abuse their macro mechanics here. They can now read and scout their opponent properly and hold most all-ins, and if left alone, at this point it starts to be free wins for zerg. They can use and abuse 300/200 pushes and know the values of hive tech. Infestors. nuff said.

Mid-High levels (High Masters - Low GM) and High levels (Foreign Pro)

Can't comment on this span as well as the others, but it would seem that it's quite even, with zerg players least knowing how to effectively use their race (you constantly see foreign pros making huge mistakes korean pros would never make), and protoss players knowing how to most effectively use theirs.

Highest Level (Korea Pro)
May the best player win, your race is as good as you are, no excuses play like a champion. Slight advantage to terran for most reflecting a player's skill and having the most options available (nothing to do with being easier, it just lets you be a more dynamic player, which helps a ton once you keep playing the same players). Only reason why terrans dominate is because yes, they actually do have the best players, and it's not hard to tell that lol

On August 11 2011 07:17 ffadicted wrote:
High diamond random player here, lemme break down my opinion
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On August 11 2011 06:55 MrLlama wrote:
Currently :Masters zerg

I've played all 3 races and protoss is by far the easiest to play. Does this mean it is the easiest to win with? No. It simply means as a protoss player there is just a LOT less to do. You can spend your time just kinda waiting around and then if you ever start to float minerals units cost so much for protoss that it's pretty simple to spend them all (But the units are also stronger). Also, leaving your units alone for 1 second doesn't result in instant death, as they do for terran and zerg. Lastly, protoss just doesn't really need to utilize the harass as much for winning and I also think this is why they lose more often than the other races.

When I played terran I would have to have incredible multi tasking and micro when I'd play. I would almost ALWAYS make a multi pronged attack and so I'd have to constantly be switching between watching my units dropped and making sure they stayed stimmed as well as watching my main army to avoid things like banes and collosus and such.

Now I play zerg and I must say it is by far the hardest race to play and especially master. First off I feel it has the most potential but that's simply because the risk/reward aspect of it. Yes I can sit at my base and drone like a madman but if I'm not actively scouting or if I miss a pylon you hid somewhere on the map where you're warping in units, I lose. On the other hand, if I over produce units, you can just get ahead economically and then I'm behind. Going into the macro/micro part of the game it is actually harder than the other races. Injecting larva on time when you're just sitting at your base isn't too bad, but when you're scouting and harassing and in battle and you have to remember to go back and inject larva, it can be brutal. Also things like creep spread are very important but just added things to remember. You also have to watch all of your units constantly because they die in seconds (you try leaving your mutalisks alone for 2 seconds to go inject and then come back to a group of stimmed marines underneath them). There are just so many different things to do as a zerg (from baneling mines to nydus worms) that it really makes the race extremely open but extremely difficult because you have to remember so many basic things first.

When I played protoss I honestly could play high and not have it change anything (I don't smoke but my friends who do smoke and play protoss have zero drop off in their gameplay). Apm is already kind of a joke in SC2 but protoss really gets it easy. I was able to simply focus on my build orders because as a protoss there isn't much else to do. My units would simply stay clumped together and I would just macro up a big deathball and push. Every now and then I'd do a little multi pronged attack with DTs into 3rd and 4th bases when I was attacking but even that didn't require much micro as I would just send them in then focus on my main army. Protoss players complain about all the spells they have to cast but really all of those are pretty simply sad to say. Microing blink stalkers is the easiest thing in the world. I can micro blink stalkers with about 50 apm. The only difficult part about casting force fields is making sure your sentries are in range so they will cast automatically. And storms are as easy as casting EMPs. For the most part as a protoss I would just A move into an army, let my chargelots charge, blink my stalkers if needed, and set up some ff's. From there I just move around my collo and it really isn't much harder than that.

All said, I think zerg is the hardest race to play, followed by terran, followed by protoss. This has nothing to do with the balance of the game but simply how each race currently plays the game. I think protoss players have yet to really utilize everything and that's why they struggle to win more often but also why they have it easier playing the game. In SC1 dropships used to be used ALL the time from protoss players, nowadays I never see a warp prism. maybe start doing some HT drops around the map and you can add to the micro you have to do as well as increase your win percentage.