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On September 16 2011 23:24 JohnEh827 wrote:Server: NA Your Name : Aer0k Hacker Name : PanzerElite Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13145Description: Points of Interest: 11:34~: I just put down my spire after clearing out his lings..then he blindly places 4~ Spore Crawlers. 24:00~ Blue runs his hydras to his main..without any vision of my Mutas and finds them not moving.. 26:00+~ He begins making around 6~ Infestors..I have my Broodlords on the way. He cancels 4 Infestors then starts out making 9 corruptors blindly... At a Later Part in the game, he then builds MASS Corruptors to counter Mutas. From watching his Camera View..To me atleast it looks awkward at the screens he views even though he has no vision of anything. Sort of like he's staring at Fog of War Screens. Sorry its kind of a long game -Aer0k
Just watched this one and to add a couple of things, there's almost constant looking in to FOW, Constantly checking up on Aer0k's army but quite a lot of peaking at the Muta's too. In fact almost every time he looks on the map anywhere it's either at Aer0k's base or his army. He looks directly at the Spire through FOV then builds Spore's and his own Spire. He looks directly over morphing Brood's then starts Corruptors.
My favourite one though is 23:50 when Aer0k is moving his Muta's in to the south side of Panzer's main and Panzer looks at them about 20 seconds earlier through FOW and moves his whole army there and then at 23:50 peaks down to make sure they're coming still and then randomly attack moves a corner of his base that he can't see (exactly where the Muta's are).
Also of note is the attack on the 4th, which explainable by good scouting is focussed on and spam clicked with a large portion of lings to specifically attack that unscouted base towards the end of the game.
In short, definately hacking and couldn't be more obvious about it if he was selecting units he couldn't see.
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On September 17 2011 05:20 Iyerbeth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 23:24 JohnEh827 wrote:Server: NA Your Name : Aer0k Hacker Name : PanzerElite Replay : http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13145Description: Points of Interest: 11:34~: I just put down my spire after clearing out his lings..then he blindly places 4~ Spore Crawlers. 24:00~ Blue runs his hydras to his main..without any vision of my Mutas and finds them not moving.. 26:00+~ He begins making around 6~ Infestors..I have my Broodlords on the way. He cancels 4 Infestors then starts out making 9 corruptors blindly... At a Later Part in the game, he then builds MASS Corruptors to counter Mutas. From watching his Camera View..To me atleast it looks awkward at the screens he views even though he has no vision of anything. Sort of like he's staring at Fog of War Screens. Sorry its kind of a long game -Aer0k Just watched this one and to add a couple of things, there's almost constant looking in to FOW, Constantly checking up on Aer0k's army but quite a lot of peaking at the Muta's too. In fact almost every time he looks on the map anywhere it's either at Aer0k's base or his army. He looks directly at the Spire through FOV then builds Spore's and his own Spire. He looks directly over morphing Brood's then starts Corruptors. My favourite one though is 23:50 when Aer0k is moving his Muta's in to the south side of Panzer's main and Panzer looks at them about 20 seconds earlier through FOW and moves his whole army there and then at 23:50 peaks down to make sure they're coming still and then randomly attack moves a corner of his base that he can't see (exactly where the Muta's are). Also of note is the attack on the 4th, which explainable by good scouting is focussed on and spam clicked with a large portion of lings to specifically attack that unscouted base towards the end of the game. In short, definately hacking and couldn't be more obvious about it if he was selecting units he couldn't see.
agree with the staring of the fog of war.
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Server: NA
Your Name : Nineteen
Hacker Name : chOice
Replay : http://www.filesonic.com/file/2015835584/chOice_hacking.SC2Replay
Description: Seems to be production tab hacking. Take a look at his tech structures, he puts down a baneling nest, I see it and put down 3 cannons and there's no baneling bust. After, he puts down a spire, I scout it and put 3 cannons at each mineral line + tech blink, and he decides to not make any mutalisks. Instead, immediately puts down an infestation pit and a roach warren. I'm a grandmaster protoss, and no zerg is stupid enough to get every single tech building on a lair, it's just very inefficient. On top of all this his first overlord was not directed to any base, but rather, just to his natural.
Another point to note, when you're playing high level games a zerg ALWAYS sends in an overlord into the protoss base around 7-8 minutes in. This person NEVER cares to scout me, not a single overlord, overseer, or even a zergling or drone past my naturals cannon defense. Even when I decide to push out with my collo stalker army and take the top xel naga tower, he didn't even care to take a look at my composition. If you say he made the spire to counter collosi, why didnt he make corrupters when he noticed them?
A little bit too fishy. Please ban.
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This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed.
Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc.
Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do
Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_-
Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
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On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote:
This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed.
Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc.
Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do
Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_-
Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
I'd like a few of your replays please.
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Why isn't meh added as a hacker to the EU list.
I've reported him and two more people reported him total of 4 replays which all show the kid is cheating.
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On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote:This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc... + Show Spoiler [spoilered for length] +
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed.
Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc.
Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do
Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_-
Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
I don't know if you've had a look through any of these replays or properly read the discussions but maybe (hopefully?) I can put put your mind at ease a little.
When people are reviewing camera movement over an enemy base it isn't just a click over to double check something or staying active, it's things like click over new bases as the go down, clicking directly on to hidden buildings, clicking on to their base and and staring at it - especially when combined with responding to tech they've not scouted almost immediately.
Clicking about is normal, even checking what you've seen in the past, but when you see repeated clicks to the exact location of an army that's moving around, responding to tech after clicking over the spot with it in that they shouldn't be able to see, or even just checking up on new buildings on the map when they go up, this does add up (but not mean!) and can mean that your opponent is cheating.
Your second point is again valid, but I think you're giving these people too much credit. I'd strongly advise having a look at some of the one's that are confirmed with this is, it's not just someone checks a spot out quickly, or is looking to move a unit in place or even just misclicking. If you watch some of these replays from the camera view of the accused hacker and whenever they click to a random spot on the map you pause and view everyone they're staring at something coming to their base, sometimes even following it with the camera. Again once or twice might be coincidence but when it gets to the point they just happen to click to these things over and over again and are positioning their units or static defense it does begin to look very suspicious.
The final point is fair, it's not great evidence and that's precisely why you'd never see this used to condemn someone by itself but there are still some things that become very difficult to explain. An example which might be stronger evidence than most for instance are things like Probes planning to build Pylons suddenly changing where they're heading to stop and wait for enemy units to pass that they can't see, before then continuing as soon as it's safe.
If you look through those that are confirmed as hackers in this thread (or season 1 and 2 versions) it's not just that they do some of these a bit or got luck with a drop or had cannons to stop DT's, it's that they do these things repeatedly to such an extent that it's certain (not probable, but certain) they're able to see things under the fog of war that they should not be able to. Some of the other forms of hacking which aren't listed include 1200 APM perfect blink micro while the user doesn't even have the army selected and isn't even looking at the battle.
It takes a lot to get confirmed on these threads, which have sometimes actually made the people running it a little unpopular as they won't confirm without 100% certainty and I can guarentee that were you to upload a genuine game where you didn't cheat it wouldn't be confirmed as hacking. You just can't do the things that they do.
Finally, the last one I gave input on that I said should be confirmed (I'm just helping out I don't get to make the choice) as a couple of examples of things that happened:
+ Show Spoiler +- Almost every single time the accused clicked anywhere on the map that wasn't within his site he was directly over something he shouldn't have known about it if I paused and checked everyone's view. Literally every time he clicked to a spot on the map without moving a unit to it he was staring at something he shouldn't be able to see.
- He either really liked his enemy's choke (no buildings at all) so much that he spent much of the game checking up to make sure it was still there, or he clicking directly over his opponents army, including clicking slight above, below or to the side with each click corresponding exactly with his opponents units if you pause and check everyone's view. We're not talking once or twice here, but probably 20+.
- Whilst repeatedly clicking to his opponents base and for several seconds scrolling through it to see new tech he at one point if he could see through the FOW would have seen a Spire literally just start. Immediately after looking at that spot he builds 4 Spore Crawlers and then goes and starts a Spire of his own.
- When Mutalisks are flying around anywhere, his view will be clicking to the exact spot they're in and on one occasion seeing them flying around the right side of Xel'naga Caverns he clicks to their exact location, then selects his hole army and moves it to his main. The Muta's stop for just a second south of their attack point and he scrolls down, again so he's staring directly at the spot they're in, but when they start moving up he attack moves his army in to the random corner of his base (about 6 feet in front of them) which just happens to perfectly coincide with the Mutalisks.
- His opponent begins morphing Brood Lords and upon checking out that attractive choke again and spotting that with no vision, he immediately not only starts building mass Corruptor, he even cancels his Infestors that are building in order to do so faster.
This is the kind of evidence which when put all together can not be attributed to anything other than cheating, and this isn't some extreme example it's about average. There are some more subtle but some that are just silly with the amount they abuse it but in every confirmed case you'll find that it's not just extremely likely they're cheating - there is no other explanation for their actions.
If you review a replay and you think that calling it confirmed is wrong that's just as useful as confirming they did hack and you should speak up if you think there's a mistake. Get involved and help out if you have the time to make sure that only the cheaters are confirmed, but to make sure they're confirmed quickly.
I hope this post helps in some way.
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On September 17 2011 12:10 Zelthcon wrote:
This hacker database is an absolute joke, most of the "good evidence" can be literally a player who pans over the fog alot and there is many situations where you can react to the enemies army without actually knowing where it is, many things come into play...how long when you last seen his army? To defend your first incase you expect a push coming etc...
This list is an absolute joke and should be removed.
Let me break your "good" evidence down for you.
My writing = red text
Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move) - I do this in alot of games, it helps keep me active, reminding me to scout etc.
Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though. Oh yeah, because no one pans over the fog, during games, to CONSIDER sending a unit / their army there, again another thing that I do
Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there. There does not have to be a reason, to look at a place on the map, also, they may be thinking of sending a unit to check if there is an ovi, drop or warp prism coming -_-
Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.) This again, is NOT proof at all...serioulsy your 'good' evidence is TERRIBLE 'evidence', if you can even call it that. Some players do randomly move their army out for no particular reason, maybe just to poke around or check incase something is coming and if something DOES come, then that's GOOD, you're likely to catch them offguard....use common sense, this thread is not a success, it's a fail
I think the point is though that when you do all of those things repeatedly is when something is up. I can agree that one or two of those things could just be by chance but I think its fair for you to agree if they all occur repeatedly then something fishy is occuring. Personally I dont think people should rely on looking over fog unless its plainfully obvious, as there are production tab hacks and screen lock hacks which negate that so it isnt reliable (even then in certain situations you dont need to look at an opponents base, just the radar).
When are Probe1 and Co coming back? I hope they're all good. I'd like to see some official updates and things ^>^
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Server:EU
Your Name: TiKoz
Hacker Name: ShOOtEmUpXCI
Replay: "ShOOtEmUpXCI maphack"
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13201
Description:
No scout during all game, when i prod a lot of gling in the beginning, i close his wall and build more gates and cannons in the wall. His voidray has the orden of 'attack' in my baneling hidden in the fog of war (he clicks exactly in their position), his phoenix moves weirdly to an overlord in a position where you don't think there is an over. His voidray goes in my B3 natural where my glings are destroying the rock (at this moment he doesn't know where i'am in the map so it's very strange)
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Server:NA
Your Name: vileStRyKeR
Hacker Name: Genesis
Replay: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4422/sc2/replays/public/Genesis.SC2Replay
Description:
Dude's currently #1 on NA. Not surprising, as I'm pretty sure he hacks.
Note the following times:
14:56 -- instantly knows where my Nydus Canal is, behind the smoke (he has no vision through smoke), warps in zealots
23:30 -- attack moves to top right where my expo is (he has not scouted it). he cancels his attack because I'm pressuring
24:16 -- knows about Nydus through smoke, again
26:40 -- finally attacks my expo at top right with entire army, unscouted
27:15 -- again, instant Nydus detection through smoke
The most egregious are the moments where he sees my nydus canal through the smoke, almost seconds after i start one, every time. I don't know how you can do that naturally.
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Server:EU
Your Name: Ocelot
Hacker Name: nomore
Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13229#wysiwyg
He clearly tries to avoid showing that he is actually maphacking (or he has some sort of minimap hack)but here are the points I saw he was actually doing it.
At 7:05 He sees alot of buildings in my base and immediately goes for 4 Spines.
This could actually be normal for some zergs at my level but the next one confirms it
At 7:20 I get my warp prism up to his ramp by never once showing it to him. You could see that if you follow his vision. but as soon as i get there he rallies his zerglings and roaches there immediately.
After that i basically was behind and lost, and the only noteworthy thing i saw after was that he saw my went to his 4th base just before my DTs attacked it.
Also After chatting with him and telling him about the spines he said they were obvious, After i mentioned the warp Prism he started ignoring me. I obviously cant prove this convo but that seals his guilt for me.
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@ Iyerbeth - I read your entire post and that has put me at ease, It's just that the way the opening post is written does not explain very well how the process workers or how they go about confirming if someones hacking.
Most of the "weak evidence" is not even remotely evidence at all...I think the OP just needs to be edited to make it not seem like some crappy database where the "good" evidence is actually considered a strong way to suggest they hack, when it's not remotely that at all, it's a huge combination of factors.
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On September 18 2011 23:52 blacklist_member wrote:Server:EU Your Name: Ocelot Hacker Name: nomore Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13229#wysiwygHe clearly tries to avoid showing that he is actually maphacking (or he has some sort of minimap hack)but here are the points I saw he was actually doing it. At 7:05 He sees alot of buildings in my base and immediately goes for 4 Spines. This could actually be normal for some zergs at my level but the next one confirms it At 7:20 I get my warp prism up to his ramp by never once showing it to him. You could see that if you follow his vision. but as soon as i get there he rallies his zerglings and roaches there immediately. After that i basically was behind and lost, and the only noteworthy thing i saw after was that he saw my went to his 4th base just before my DTs attacked it. Also After chatting with him and telling him about the spines he said they were obvious, After i mentioned the warp Prism he started ignoring me. I obviously cant prove this convo but that seals his guilt for me.
In my defence, I dont cheat and never have at sc2.
For the spines at 7:05,I've built spines in every ZvP i've played since I can remember. Doesn't everyone?
For the warp prism, I honestly dont know what to say.
Maybe I heard it, or maybe it was lucky repositioning of my forces.
All I can remember of it is seeing sentries drop/warp in, and flashing back to a tactic posted here not long ago.
I see how it looks, but there's nothing behind it.
But, watch it; beleive, or not.
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Server: AM
Your Name: SouperiorOne
Hacker Name: Grandmaster
Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13263
Description: Maphacking.
Very short replay that tells it all. Just look at his vision at the very start of the game and you'll see.
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On September 15 2011 21:55 rna wrote:Server: NA Your Name: rna Hacker Name: MrF Replay: http://www.zshare.net/download/944564603b8c472a/Description: Blatant maphack Unless there is a "zerg spawn find" bug on Abyssal Caverns like the one on old Lost Temple, this guy does a perfect proxy 2rax, puts it in between our spawns without scouting. Checked his profile and he's high diamond (I am 1200 masters). His mmr must be ludicrously high to be playing me, which is indicative that he's winning a loooooooooot of his games. Not completely sure he's maphacking, but it is VERY likely that he could be.
This is a obvious maphacker
He double proxy rax without scouting, so he look pretty confident in the fact he's close position, even though he didnt scouted.
But he could just be a stupid gambler
some minutes later though you attempt a baneling bust and as soon as baneling are getting out of your base he get his marine back and spend meticulous time to split each single marine
That's a pretty sick gamesense we have here
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On September 19 2011 08:55 Lanki wrote:Server: AM Your Name: SouperiorOne Hacker Name: Grandmaster Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13263Description: Maphacking. Very short replay that tells it all. Just look at his vision at the very start of the game and you'll see.
Read the PM i sent you, it's not Maphack, it's just a recent bug that was discovered on Tal'darim alter where you could see the position of the zerg without scouting, simply look at the tree behind his mineral line (the one he was looking at in the replay) and if it moves that means the Z is there, if it doesn't then check the other bases! it's not maphack.
EDIT: Omg I can't believe ToT was confirmed maphacker, that guy is the #1 in my division, always steals my #1 spot  gotta watch out for him now lol.
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On September 18 2011 13:03 StRyKeR wrote:Server:NA Your Name: vileStRyKeR Hacker Name: Genesis Replay: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4422/sc2/replays/public/Genesis.SC2ReplayDescription: Dude's currently #1 on NA. Not surprising, as I'm pretty sure he hacks. Note the following times: 14:56 -- instantly knows where my Nydus Canal is, behind the smoke (he has no vision through smoke), warps in zealots 23:30 -- attack moves to top right where my expo is (he has not scouted it). he cancels his attack because I'm pressuring 24:16 -- knows about Nydus through smoke, again 26:40 -- finally attacks my expo at top right with entire army, unscouted 27:15 -- again, instant Nydus detection through smoke The most egregious are the moments where he sees my nydus canal through the smoke, almost seconds after i start one, every time. I don't know how you can do that naturally.
The whole game i was wondering why you though he was hacking, the expo thing isnt special, if it's a 24 min and the zerg is still fighting he must have a ton of expo
But then, triple nydus scouted through smoke and 4 stalker warped every fucking time he start
It's painfully obvious
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On September 19 2011 08:59 PaPoolee wrote:Read the PM i sent you, it's not Maphack, it's just a recent bug that was discovered on Tal'darim alter where you could see the position of the zerg without scouting, simply look at the tree behind his mineral line (the one he was looking at in the replay) and if it moves that means the Z is there, if it doesn't then check the other bases! it's not maphack. EDIT: Omg I can't believe ToT was confirmed maphacker, that guy is the #1 in my division, always steals my #1 spot gotta watch out for him now lol.
So he sent the probe at 5 seconds into the game WITHOUT even looking at the bases and makes proxies. Sounds more like hacks to me.
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On September 19 2011 08:57 Protosnake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 21:55 rna wrote:Server: NA Your Name: rna Hacker Name: MrF Replay: http://www.zshare.net/download/944564603b8c472a/Description: Blatant maphack Unless there is a "zerg spawn find" bug on Abyssal Caverns like the one on old Lost Temple, this guy does a perfect proxy 2rax, puts it in between our spawns without scouting. Checked his profile and he's high diamond (I am 1200 masters). His mmr must be ludicrously high to be playing me, which is indicative that he's winning a loooooooooot of his games. Not completely sure he's maphacking, but it is VERY likely that he could be. This is a obvious maphacker He double proxy rax without scouting, so he look pretty confident in the fact he's close position, even though he didnt scouted. But he could just be a stupid gambler some minutes later though you attempt a baneling bust and as soon as baneling are getting out of your base he get his marine back and spend meticulous time to split each single marine That's a pretty sick gamesense we have here
I don't know if I can agree completely with this one.
The 2 rax location is suspicious but I've seen even Grandmaster pros like VVVRuff take wild probability chances on his stream with proxy locations. It all comes down to whether the player is willing to cut corners or play safe.
Also throughout the entire replay the terran never even looks at the zerg's base or his army, I guess this could be that camera lock everything is talking about but there's no real point in the game where the terran is frozen into something for an extended period of time.
So I think this is inconclusive at best.
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