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turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
July 18 2011 22:33 GMT
#201
This is actually like...beyond moronic. Hey, play our game that encourages you to play with other people...but don't have so many people want to play with you that our equipment can't compensate.

It's very disappointing to see something like this. It just goes to show that blizzard really does not give a shit at all. Pretty soon they will be banning people from SC2 for playing too many games or some bull shit.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 18 2011 22:35 GMT
#202
Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned.
And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
cryL
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia77 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 22:37:35
July 18 2011 22:37 GMT
#203
er, getting banned really doesn't matter at all anymore - take a couple of weeks for him to relevel and regrind rating and gear >_> Might be worth kicking up a stink over back in the hwl days if he got banned and lost hwl rank (like funhoofs did because an opposing guild got him falsely banned so they could boost one of their ppl to hwl) all a big hoopla over nothing.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
July 18 2011 22:37 GMT
#204
On July 19 2011 07:04 Clbull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote:
Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.

There's a huge fucking difference.

1) IdrA's original 2 day ban was apparently over calling CrunCher a "waste of life" on his fan page.

2) Swifty's permaban was over a Razer livestreaming event crashing a realm 3 times because level 1s were spamming excessively and crashing it. Apparently, according to stories, it was a guildmate called Zybak who may have provoked the spamming. Swifty had in-fact discouraged it on the livestream. There's proof even in the video the OP linked.

3) IdrA's ban was extended to 90 days because he told his followers to PM Chill about how they felt about his two day suspension, resulting in a lot of undeserved hate-mail. TL only extended his ban after they found crystal clear that IdrA had actually provoked the hate-PMs towards Chill maliciously. Swifty did no such thing to provoke the triple server crash....

To put it bluntly, IdrA's motives were more malicious than Swifty's. Besides, it was apparently Zybak, not Swifty who encouraged the spamming that likely crashed the realm 3 times.

Do you have an exact quote word for word? Since you did use "malicious"...
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Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 18 2011 22:39 GMT
#205
On July 19 2011 07:37 nalgene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 07:04 Clbull wrote:
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote:
Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.

There's a huge fucking difference.

1) IdrA's original 2 day ban was apparently over calling CrunCher a "waste of life" on his fan page.

2) Swifty's permaban was over a Razer livestreaming event crashing a realm 3 times because level 1s were spamming excessively and crashing it. Apparently, according to stories, it was a guildmate called Zybak who may have provoked the spamming. Swifty had in-fact discouraged it on the livestream. There's proof even in the video the OP linked.

3) IdrA's ban was extended to 90 days because he told his followers to PM Chill about how they felt about his two day suspension, resulting in a lot of undeserved hate-mail. TL only extended his ban after they found crystal clear that IdrA had actually provoked the hate-PMs towards Chill maliciously. Swifty did no such thing to provoke the triple server crash....

To put it bluntly, IdrA's motives were more malicious than Swifty's. Besides, it was apparently Zybak, not Swifty who encouraged the spamming that likely crashed the realm 3 times.

Do you have an exact quote word for word? Since you did use "malicious"...


You've gotta have a complete misunderstanding of the situation to think that their motives are the same in those two situations.
turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
July 18 2011 22:40 GMT
#206
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned.
And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?


You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?

If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.

They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.

There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.
Buddhalol
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada109 Posts
July 18 2011 22:41 GMT
#207
sigh, i feel bad for swifty, been there, been banned, fuck this game, stop while you can
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TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
July 18 2011 22:41 GMT
#208
Somebody seriously needs to put it into the OP that spamming chat does not crash servers so I can stop repeating this.

I am all for it being a suspension instead of a ban, but action needed to happen to get it through his thick head that his contest idea wasnt going to work.
turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
July 18 2011 22:42 GMT
#209
On July 19 2011 07:37 cryL wrote:
er, getting banned really doesn't matter at all anymore - take a couple of weeks for him to relevel and regrind rating and gear >_> Might be worth kicking up a stink over back in the hwl days if he got banned and lost hwl rank (like funhoofs did because an opposing guild got him falsely banned so they could boost one of their ppl to hwl) all a big hoopla over nothing.


Regardless, that's still a shit load of time he put into it. When you're an MMO player that devotes that much time to the game, your character is basically your child. You care about it, you're proud of your achievements and time invested and to get kicked out the door for something like this is pretty shitty.
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
July 18 2011 22:42 GMT
#210
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned.
And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?

telling everyone to meet in a location logically doesnt really create any problems. to me its a lot like if every streamer decided to tell their viewers to all watch day9 and day9's stream overloaded and crashed justin.tv. i think it was just an accident that couldnt really have been forseen =\
Favorite
Profile Joined November 2010
United States27 Posts
July 18 2011 22:44 GMT
#211
On July 19 2011 07:40 turamn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned.
And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?


You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?

If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.

They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.

There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.


He's supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware when the server crashes once... but then he goes to try it again a 2nd time. then a 3rd.
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
July 18 2011 22:46 GMT
#212
On July 19 2011 07:42 JiYan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned.
And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?

telling everyone to meet in a location logically doesnt really create any problems. to me its a lot like if every streamer decided to tell their viewers to all watch day9 and day9's stream overloaded and crashed justin.tv. i think it was just an accident that couldnt really have been forseen =\


Three times. He was fully aware of them causing the issue after the first time.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
July 18 2011 22:46 GMT
#213
On July 19 2011 07:40 turamn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned.
And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?


You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?

If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.

They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.

There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.

You dont need to be a technical guru to figure out after 2 crashes that you are causing the crash... so I dont get the whole "knowing the limitations of blizzards hardware" argument can even come up. Also, Blizzard has upgraded their servers a lot over the years. They even brought all of the servers offline for like a week (they compensated everybody) so that they could fully revamp them a couple years back.

Feel free to hold a community event, but if you crash a server twice dont just think, "oh... lets just do it again!"

I mean seriously... if you ram your face into a brick wall and the wall doesnt fall, do you just try again? Is that what you do?

In regards to the farmers exploiters and hackers, many actually are banned/suspended. 99% of them are on hacked accounts though because people are retarded.

PS: They are not undetectable either, whoever said that.
smallerk
Profile Joined October 2010
897 Posts
July 18 2011 22:47 GMT
#214
On July 19 2011 06:34 Esel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 04:21 smallerk wrote:
He can just buy another account, seriously.

Have you ever played WoW and got hacked ? You just cant do it


That was true 2 expansions ago.

Losing your account might suck ,sure, you lost all your achievements and vanity bullshit you had from having an old account.

But for a hardcore sellout player like swifty with sponsors behind him, he can just buy another account and be doing exactly the same he was doing 1 week ago.
Never Regret anything because at one time it was exactly what you wanted.
turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
July 18 2011 22:48 GMT
#215
On July 19 2011 07:44 Favorite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 07:40 turamn wrote:
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned.
And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?


You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?

If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.

They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.

There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.


He's supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware when the server crashes once... but then he goes to try it again a 2nd time. then a 3rd.


I'm not going to pretend to know what his intentions were with the secondary and tertiary crashes. You'd have to imagine that an intelligent person would know that it was them causing it,

Do we have the number of people in the area that it took to crash it? I'm pretty curious to what it took to bring their hardware down, seeing as it is a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
July 18 2011 22:51 GMT
#216
On July 19 2011 07:48 turamn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 07:44 Favorite wrote:
On July 19 2011 07:40 turamn wrote:
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned.
And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?


You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?

If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.

They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.

There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.


He's supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware when the server crashes once... but then he goes to try it again a 2nd time. then a 3rd.


I'm not going to pretend to know what his intentions were with the secondary and tertiary crashes. You'd have to imagine that an intelligent person would know that it was them causing it,

Do we have the number of people in the area that it took to crash it? I'm pretty curious to what it took to bring their hardware down, seeing as it is a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game.

You can watch one of the videos posted here to see how many there are. I highly doubt anybody has taken the time to count each individual player, but it is surely in the thousands.

Also, again... as I have stated this before... had all of the people been in different parts of the game world it wouldnt have crashed.
turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
July 18 2011 22:52 GMT
#217
On July 19 2011 07:51 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 07:48 turamn wrote:
On July 19 2011 07:44 Favorite wrote:
On July 19 2011 07:40 turamn wrote:
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned.
And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?


You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?

If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.

They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.

There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.


He's supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware when the server crashes once... but then he goes to try it again a 2nd time. then a 3rd.


I'm not going to pretend to know what his intentions were with the secondary and tertiary crashes. You'd have to imagine that an intelligent person would know that it was them causing it,

Do we have the number of people in the area that it took to crash it? I'm pretty curious to what it took to bring their hardware down, seeing as it is a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game.

You can watch one of the videos posted here to see how many there are. I highly doubt anybody has taken the time to count each individual player, but it is surely in the thousands.

Also, again... as I have stated this before... had all of the people been in different parts of the game world it wouldnt have crashed.


I understand this, but how is it any different if new content is released and people just mass up outside the portal and cause a crash? Is it okay because it's Blizzard content?
BeanerBurrito
Profile Joined December 2010
1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 22:54:03
July 18 2011 22:53 GMT
#218
if you want to do something fun, but blizzard's servers can't handle it, you get banned

on top of that, even if it wasn't you who caused blizzard's servers to crash, you still get banned

man, blizz seriously is just throwing away all of the respect it got from it's community lately

i love that they didn't go "why don't you stop doing this" which would've solved this issue with absolutely no problems at all, instead they ban

i also laugh at people saying "omg he can just buy another account" as if it makes it ok that blizzard did something completely stupid and unwarranted to one of the people who helps their game be better

amazing
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 18 2011 22:53 GMT
#219
On July 19 2011 07:40 turamn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned.
And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?


You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?

If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.

They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.

There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.


Look at how popular he is, who he is sponsored by and his history of giving away a lot of stuff. True, the idea that the server would crash is something incredible and unlikely in the mind of one person, but given his popularity and how his contests have grown with more subscribers and participants, it should at least have been a glimpse of a likelihood.

I'm not saying his intent was malicious, but his foresight was lacking.

Agree on everything else you said, no need to get all huffy puffy about it though .__.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45434 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 22:55:44
July 18 2011 22:54 GMT
#220
I'm confused, since I've never played WoW before...

Is this not like StarCraft or Diablo where you can just... buy another game and CD key and use another e-mail address and just go on with a new account? In those games, only your previous account/ characters are banned.

He makes it look like he's never going to be able to play WoW ever again... is this actually the case? (If so, I suppose that totally sucks... but if not, then it's probably just like forty bucks or so to start playing again, right?)

EDIT: After reading this thread, it seems like it's simply the case that he needs to put a little time and effort into a new account, so it's not really a big deal -.-'
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