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KgKris
United States164 Posts
I just watched Alicia's GSL game against Coca, and my question is: Does anyone think that slower warpgate tech has now opened up new timings for Zergs that allow them to either macro harder or attack weaker defenses than would have been possible prior to patch 1.3.3? | ||
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mewbert
United States291 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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DooMDash
United States1015 Posts
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
On June 30 2011 05:05 BurningSera wrote: i wouldnt call that a neff tbh. Please explain how it is not a nerf? It is an increase in the research time, in no way is it not a nerf. One chrono is taken off the Stalker and put onto the WG and it still comes 10 seconds later. That is a nerf. | ||
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Konsume
Canada466 Posts
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
In what way is impossible to tell exactly other than the raw numbers that changed. | ||
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enecateReAP
United Kingdom378 Posts
If someone wants to 4gate they still do it. | ||
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
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sickduck
United States53 Posts
honestly though its not going to cause a huge dramatic difference meta to late game | ||
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proxY_
United States1561 Posts
I'm not sure that it opens up any aggression timings on the zerg part though, a close positions 3 roach rush might be harder to hold but that's really the only scenario I can think of. | ||
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Sassymcgee
United States24 Posts
In game seconds. So thats roughly 14 seconds real time. If you then consider with chrono, you start to realize why 4 gate while weakened (on top of pylon range) certainly wasnt killed with the change. The game is a game of seconds, but this did not cause struggle or change all that much and thats the general consensus. | ||
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stormchaser
Canada1009 Posts
On June 30 2011 05:10 Kira__ wrote: Protoss doesnt seem to be struggling against zerg outside of korea. Maybe it has something to do with the myth about koreans being amazing at refining builds, but not being very creative. Perhaps it will take the korean protosses some time to catch up. I'm not sure if this is true. I mean it was only a few weeks ago that on SOTG, all the tosses on there were complaining about PvZ. I think it's just a very volatile matchup that can be frustrating to alot of people. | ||
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KgKris
United States164 Posts
On June 30 2011 05:08 Konsume wrote: As a 1300ish master level zerg... protoss is my hardest matchup right now! Yeah, see that's the other thing... Classically Zergs have always had trouble with Protoss, especially in mid to late game (although the death ball hardly comes up as much as it used to since the infestor buff). IdrA's mantra is that "Zergs can't win against Protoss," but statistically I think the W/L ratio in PvZ has been favoring Z for a few weeks now. It's definitely nowhere near where it was when MC won two championships. I'm really just wondering if anyone else feels like 1.3.3 may have been a partially cause of this shift. We definitely see a lot more ling/roach all-ins than we saw pre-patch. And I don't know when the last time was I saw a Protoss cancel their nexus expansion and go all in on 4 gates... | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On June 30 2011 05:12 stormchaser wrote: I'm not sure if this is true. I mean it was only a few weeks ago that on SOTG, all the tosses on there were complaining about PvZ. I think it's just a very volatile matchup that can be frustrating to alot of people. well that was on state of the game. Tosses did amazing at dreamhack (8 of the 16 were protoss) and top 3 were protoss at the homestory cup. But in Korea protosses are struggling alot. | ||
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KgKris
United States164 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Tester did just beat July with super unconventional play! | ||
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
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Petrina
United States178 Posts
On June 30 2011 05:16 KgKris wrote: As a counter point: Tester did just beat July with super unconventional play! Can you please put that in a spoiler. You are not born yesterday.... | ||
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Whynaut
Canada367 Posts
On June 30 2011 05:12 stormchaser wrote: I'm not sure if this is true. I mean it was only a few weeks ago that on SOTG, all the tosses on there were complaining about PvZ. I think it's just a very volatile matchup that can be frustrating to alot of people. There was a thread with a poll, where, among other things, people were asked which was their hardest matchup. A majority of Protosses said vs. Zerg was the hardest MU, and a plurality of Zergs said that vs. Protoss was their hardest MU. PvZ is frustrating for all involved. Here is the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=234117 | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
None. Does less 4gate all in is what did change PvZ ? Nope. | ||
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