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SiffStarcraft
Profile Joined May 2011
United States45 Posts
June 03 2011 04:06 GMT
#41
You should now know why people refer to it as the "Internet(s)". It's pretty scary stuff when you get deep into it... I've seen modern day gladiatorial fights to the death with wild beasts... there's no going back
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
June 03 2011 04:06 GMT
#42
On June 03 2011 13:03 johnnywup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 13:01 Z3kk wrote:
What exactly is TOR? Does it have something to so specifically with the "deep Internet"? It just seems like some sort of anonymity method. While it's apparently necessary for this sort of deep Internet browsing, it's not necessarily the main component of it, or anything, right? People can still use it for whatever "shallow Internet" sites they choose...right?

Yes and no. You need Tor to go on the deep internet, but you can use it for other stuff besides the deep internet. Tor has a protocol that allows .onions to be accessed, and .onions are the only type of site in the deep internet


Ah, I see. Interesting, thanks.
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
Xinliben
Profile Joined May 2009
United States931 Posts
June 03 2011 04:07 GMT
#43
On June 03 2011 13:04 isM wrote:
Buying drugs on the internet seems to me like you're asking to get busted.


You need to stop thinking like it is the "internet". The hidden wiki has guides on how to do, go check for yourself.
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Co-lol-sus
Profile Joined December 2010
Bulgaria141 Posts
June 03 2011 04:09 GMT
#44
On June 03 2011 11:46 Amnesia wrote:


· The deep Web contains 7,500 terabytes of information compared to nineteen terabytes of information in the surface Web.


Yeah, that's not even close to true. I doubt the rest of those statistics are much more reliable.
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Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
June 03 2011 04:10 GMT
#45
Should one only use Firefox with Tor? Still trying to feel this stuff out very cautiously :X
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
TadH
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1846 Posts
June 03 2011 04:20 GMT
#46
On June 03 2011 13:10 Z3kk wrote:
Should one only use Firefox with Tor? Still trying to feel this stuff out very cautiously :X



Same, someone needs to help me access this untapped resource.
JackDragon
Profile Joined February 2011
525 Posts
June 03 2011 04:20 GMT
#47
THe deep net isn't really new to me, but I never found it very intresting (as in the subject, never been ther my self. or at least not the darker parts.) I do think that I would find a majority boring and the rest disgusting. Everything that I want and need, exist on the surface.
TrainFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States469 Posts
June 03 2011 04:21 GMT
#48
this is soooo cool, I can't get to silkroadmarket tho
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
June 03 2011 04:22 GMT
#49
On June 03 2011 13:20 TadH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 13:10 Z3kk wrote:
Should one only use Firefox with Tor? Still trying to feel this stuff out very cautiously :X



Same, someone needs to help me access this untapped resource.

yeah use torbutton and tor for firefox.
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
June 03 2011 04:24 GMT
#50
On June 03 2011 13:22 johnnywup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 13:20 TadH wrote:
On June 03 2011 13:10 Z3kk wrote:
Should one only use Firefox with Tor? Still trying to feel this stuff out very cautiously :X



Same, someone needs to help me access this untapped resource.

yeah use torbutton and tor for firefox.


So after running the TOR exe, all one should do is install torbutton? What if my FF is version 4; apparently torbutton is not yet supported for FF4?
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
June 03 2011 04:26 GMT
#51
tor is good enough, torbutton is just extra.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 03 2011 04:29 GMT
#52
Here is an article about Silkroad: http://gawker.com/5805928/the-underground-website-where-you-can-buy-any-drug-imaginable

The Underground Website Where You Can Buy Any Drug ImaginableMaking small talk with your pot dealer sucks. Buying cocaine can get you shot. What if you could buy and sell drugs online like books or light bulbs? Now you can: Welcome to Silk Road.

About three weeks ago, the U.S. Postal Service delivered an ordinary envelope to Mark's door. Inside was a tiny plastic bag containing 10 tabs of LSD. "If you had opened it, unless you were looking for it, you wouldn't have even noticed," Mark told us in a phone interview.

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Mark, a software developer, had ordered the 100 micrograms of acid through a listing on the online marketplace Silk Road. He found a seller with lots of good feedback who seemed to know what they were talking about, added the acid to his digital shopping cart and hit "check out." He entered his address and paid the seller 50 Bitcoins—untraceable digital currency—worth around $150. Four days later the drugs, sent from Canada, arrived at his house.

"It kind of felt like I was in the future," Mark said.
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Silk Road, a digital black market that sits just below most internet users' purview, does resemble something from a cyberpunk novel. Through a combination of anonymity technology and a sophisticated user-feedback system, Silk Road makes buying and selling illegal drugs as easy as buying used electronics—and seemingly as safe. It's Amazon—if Amazon sold mind-altering chemicals.

Here is just a small selection of the 340 items available for purchase on Silk Road by anyone, right now: a gram of Afghani hash; 1/8th ounce of "sour 13" weed; 14 grams of ecstasy; .1 grams tar heroin. A listing for "Avatar" LSD includes a picture of blotter paper with big blue faces from the James Cameron movie on it. The sellers are located all over the world, a large portion from the U.S. and Canada.

But even Silk Road has limits: You won't find any weapons-grade plutonium, for example. Its terms of service ban the sale of "anything who's purpose is to harm or defraud, such as stolen credit cards, assassinations, and weapons of mass destruction."

The Underground Website Where You Can Buy Any Drug ImaginableGetting to Silk Road is tricky. The URL seems made to be forgotten. But don't point your browser there yet. It's only accessible through the anonymizing network TOR, which requires a bit of technical skill to configure.

Once you're there, it's hard to believe that Silk Road isn't simply a scam. Such brazenness is usually displayed only by those fake "online pharmacies" that dupe the dumb and flaccid. There's no sly, Craigslist-style code names here. But while scammers do use the site, most of the listings are legit. Mark's acid worked as advertised. "It was quite enjoyable, to be honest," he said. We spoke to one Connecticut engineer who enjoyed sampling some "silver haze" pot purchased off Silk Road. "It was legit," he said. "It was better than anything I've seen."

Silk Road cuts down on scams with a reputation-based trading system familiar to anyone who's used Amazon or eBay. The user Bloomingcolor appears to be an especially trusted vendor, specializing in psychedelics. One happy customer wrote on his profile: "Excellent quality. Packing, and communication. Arrived exactly as described." They gave the transaction five points out of five.

"Our community is amazing," Silk Road's anonymous administrator, known on forums as "Silk Road," told us in an email. "They are generally bright, honest and fair people, very understanding, and willing to cooperate with each other."

Sellers feel comfortable openly trading hardcore drugs because the real identities of those involved in Silk Road transactions are utterly obscured. If the authorities wanted to ID Silk Road's users with computer forensics, they'd have nowhere to look. TOR masks a user's tracks on the site. The site urges sellers to "creatively disguise" their shipments and vacuum seal any drugs that could be detected through smell. As for transactions, Silk Road doesn't accept credit cards, PayPal , or any other form of payment that can be traced or blocked. The only money good here is Bitcoins.

Bitcoins have been called a "crypto-currency," the online equivalent of a brown paper bag of cash. Bitcoins are a peer-to-peer currency, not issued by banks or governments, but created and regulated by a network of other bitcoin holders' computers. (The name "Bitcoin" is derived from the pioneering file-sharing technology Bittorrent.) They are purportedly untraceable and have been championed by cyberpunks, libertarians and anarchists who dream of a distributed digital economy outside the law, one where money flows across borders as free as bits.

To purchase something on Silk Road, you need first to buy some Bitcoins using a service like Mt. Gox Bitcoin Exchange. Then, create an account on Silk Road, deposit some bitcoins, and start buying drugs. One bitcoin is worth about $8.67, though the exchange rate fluctuates wildly every day. Right now you can buy an 1/8th of pot on Silk Road for 7.63 Bitcoins. That's probably more than you would pay on the street, but most Silk Road users seem happy to pay a premium for convenience.

The Underground Website Where You Can Buy Any Drug ImaginableSince it launched this February, Silk Road has represented the most complete implementation of the Bitcoin vision. Many of its users come from Bitcoin's utopian geek community and see Silk Road as more than just a place to buy drugs. Silk Road's administrator cites the anarcho-libertarian philosophy of Agorism. "The state is the primary source of violence, oppression, theft and all forms of coercion," Silk Road wrote to us. "Stop funding the state with your tax dollars and direct your productive energies into the black market."

Mark, the LSD buyer, had similar views. "I'm a libertarian anarchist and I believe that anything that's not violent should not be criminalized," he said.

But not all Bitcoin enthusiasts embrace Silk Road. Some think the association with drugs will tarnish the young technology, or might draw the attention of federal authorities. "The real story with Silk Road is the quantity of people anxious to escape a centralized currency and trade," a longtime bitcoin user named Maiya told us in a chat. "Some of us view Bitcoin as a real currency, not drug barter tokens."

Silk Road and Bitcoins could herald a black market eCommerce revolution. But anonymity cuts both ways. How long until a DEA agent sets up a fake Silk Road account and starts sending SWAT teams instead of LSD to the addresses she gets? As Silk Road inevitably spills out of the bitcoin bubble, its drug-swapping utopians will meet a harsh reality no anonymizing network can blur.

Update: Jeff Garzik, a member of the Bitcoin core development team, says in an email that bitcoin is not as anonymous as the denizens of Silk Road would like to believe. He explains that because all Bitcoin transactions are recorded in a public log, though the identities of all the parties are anonymous, law enforcement could use sophisticated network analysis techniques to parse the transaction flow and track down individual Bitcoin users.

"Attempting major illicit transactions with bitcoin, given existing statistical analysis techniques deployed in the field by law enforcement, is pretty damned dumb," he says.
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Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
June 03 2011 04:29 GMT
#53
On June 03 2011 13:26 johnnywup wrote:
tor is good enough, torbutton is just extra.


So running the TOR exe and browsing in the pop FF window is good enough?

Thanks. Time to carefully explore this. Honestly I'm sort of scared >_>
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 03 2011 04:33 GMT
#54
On June 03 2011 12:06 Alzadar wrote:
I'm rather skeptical. If these are sites overlooked by search engines, then where does all this information on them come from?

And the "surface internet" contains waaaay more than 19 TB, where did that number come from? TL probably has at least a few terabytes in VODs alone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)

It's an encrypted p2p network.

While ~90% of the OP is true. I doubt you can hire assassins on tor You probably can find some people promoting that, but I'd guess most, if not all of it, would be scams ^^
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 03 2011 04:36 GMT
#55
On June 03 2011 12:46 corpuscle wrote:
Since there's apparently only 19 TB of information on the "surface" Internet, you could buy enough disk space to download/save the whole Internet for around $500.

The whole Internet, guys.
I'm betting youtube alone has at least 1000x times that. Recently google announced that "48 hours of video are uploaded to youtube every minute". 19 TB takes a sneeze ^^
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
June 03 2011 04:37 GMT
#56
I heard about this a while back and was pretty shocked at all the shady business that goes on there. That being said its pretty interesting that most TLers are clearing up the fact that it's pretty boring. Kind of overhyped and sensationalized like 4chan is in a way.
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 03 2011 04:39 GMT
#57
This sounds FAR more cloak and dagger than it really is. As I've had Top Site access a few times in the past, let me dispel a few things.

The numbers are way off. There's Zottabyte range data on the internet ( for a little more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exabyte ). The number they were trying to pump up was the "stored" data, which is pretty big on the "Deep Web" but not as big compared to the normal web as you think. Though YouTube itself is dealing in far more total bandwidth usage than just static server storage. I wouldn't be surprised if YouTube is servering 250 Petabytes a month at this point in bandwidth.

They're using big numbers of *stored* data vs used data. Most of this stuff is just stored on a server with maybe a few people a month accessing it. Just think how much bandwidth YouTube has used to serve a Justin Beiber song with 300+ million views. That's a whole lot of bandwidth, but it's really only a 30 meg file.

A lot of this stuff is also very easy to get to, assuming you know to skip trying to find it with Google. Most of this stuff is in a few areas: IRC channels, Private Hamachi networks, DirectConnect (or whatever the newest flavor of server-connected P2P client is), private Websites with independent Torrent servers, Open-Protocol P2P networks, Private FTP networks and on VPNs. (I've also heard there's still an active trading regime on UseNet, but I haven't been on there in ages) Most of the information isn't necessarily illegal either. A lot of it is, but not as much as you think.

Most of the data being moved around the "Deep Web" is video & image content. A lot of it is porn. But that shouldn't surprise anyone, now should it?

There's private file trading networks for whatever your flavor of content is. I was in the Anime side of things, so there were a lot of servers you moved around data to host for sharing it. There's rented servers all over the place serving this data to whatever system you're supporting.

TOR is a Firefox mod that uses multiple server-hopping technology to avoid detection. It was designed for Chinese dissidents at first, but it's morphed into simply being a way to hide on the internet. Mostly because the only people that can really track you back through TOR, if they want, is the Chinese or NSA. So you don't want to piss off either of those, really.

In a slightly ironic twist, most of the active sections of this got started because of MIT. For a long while, MIT had about the world's largest on-site internet pipe. The CS students figured out fun ways of using it. It pretty much made Video work in IRC, which started off all of the video sharing of large files. This also hit around the same time as large numbers of people had access to Broadband, which made most of it possible.

The really, really "deep" places exist in 2 forms. There are "Top sites" and then there's the Kiddy Porn areas. The Kiddy Porn areas are actually very easy to avoid... because you have to work really hard to find them. And fuck every single person involved in those rings. Really, I hope they rot in hell. You'll only ever find your way there if you're looking for them. And if you are, please turn yourself into the cops or get professional help... now.

The "Top Sites" are the more interesting bit in all of this. I'm not sure what protocols they're using at the moment, but it's most likely still nearly all FTPs. These are very large networks of stored data. They've got massive pipes and are well funded, though mostly by donation. This is where things like CAM'd movies, brand new DVDrips and the like type of data work their way around. After they've moved through the Top Sites, they end up in IRC channels & on Torrent trackers. Top Sites are effectively how the "Scene" gets out their data. It's pretty effective at doing it.

So, you've likely interacted with these types of "Deep Web" stuff already. If you're on a forum with an internal, required-registration section that links to Torrents, you're in the "Deep Web". Or if your College or Business has a private network for data... you're on the Deep Web. It's not as cloak & dagger as the initial post wants to make out, but it is there. But, if you want certain data, there's a good chance it *does* exist somewhere.
SgtCoDFish
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1520 Posts
June 03 2011 04:39 GMT
#58
This kind of stuff isn't my cup of tea, so I'm not really planning on visiting any of these sites, but a warning to fellow TLers:

DO NOT GO ON ANYTHING YOU DO NOT ALREADY KNOW THE CONTENTS OF.

If you want to explore this kind of stuff, that's great, but be sure about what you're exploring.

It only takes for you to accidentally go on some paedophilia site for you to potentially in trouble with the law. Or it only takes a second of carelessness to get some horrid virus that's going to do serious damage.

If it doubt, leave it out. Don't click the link.

I don't really think this message can be reiterated enough That said, happy exploring to anyone who does decide to venture off into the depths.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
June 03 2011 04:43 GMT
#59
Even underground fighting tournaments to the death (I'm not joking very real very organized). Very Real trained professional fighters. It may seem surreal but they are guys that train with the best and want no part of UFC or any fight league. Dudes who really enjoy fighting to the death. It's just crazy explaining it it's not some barroom brawl. These things happen and alot of millionaires pay big money to see them. Modern Gladiator battles. I heard there are some with humans vs animals.

lmao I gotta get in on this :D
Elite__
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada976 Posts
June 03 2011 04:44 GMT
#60
assassin markets.... O.O thats some intense shit man
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