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So has anyone heard about The Deep Web?
For those who don't know, the deep web represents a gargantuan part of the internet which is not accessible through regular searches via google or other search engines. In other words, it's basically a private section of server space to share data off record. All that wiki leaks stuffed that leaked a couple months back? That's been on deep web for years. Ever seen a movie and see the bad guy loggin' into some weird looking private server thingy? That's all real.
To put it in a simple picture, here it is:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oD0R4.jpg.)
This is a graphical representation of the amount of data which exists on the regular internet as opposed to that of the deep internet.
Also, try this on for size:
· Public information on the deep Web is currently 400 to 550 times larger than the commonly defined World Wide Web.
· The deep Web contains 7,500 terabytes of information compared to nineteen terabytes of information in the surface Web.
· The deep Web contains nearly 550 billion individual documents compared to the one billion of the surface Web.
· More than 200,000 deep Web sites presently exist.
· Sixty of the largest deep-Web sites collectively contain about 750 terabytes of information — sufficient by themselves to exceed the size of the surface Web forty times.
· On average, deep Web sites receive fifty per cent greater monthly traffic than surface sites and are more highly linked to than surface sites; however, the typical (median) deep Web site is not well known to the Internet-searching public.
· The deep Web is the largest growing category of new information on the Internet.
· Deep Web sites tend to be narrower, with deeper content, than conventional surface sites.
· Total quality content of the deep Web is 1,000 to 2,000 times greater than that of the surface Web.
· Deep Web content is highly relevant to every information need, market, and domain.
· More than half of the deep Web content resides in topic-specific databases.
· A full ninety-five per cent of the deep Web is publicly accessible information — not subject to fees or subscriptions.
What lies beneath the surface is a who's who of hackers, scientists, drug dealers, astronomers, assassins, physicists, Government officials, terrorists, perverts, data miners, kidnappers, sociologists, etc. As you can tell, the party goes across the entire moral spectrum.
Generally, terrorist networks, spy agencies, drug dealers, assassins-for-hire, and those looking for child porn lurk around those parts. There's a Hidden Wiki, there, and on the wiki they're categories of links. There are things like blogs, forums (from normal to revolutionary to blatantly illegal), Tor-enabled instant messaging and chat, anonymous file hosting, anonymous financing, information on computer security/anonymity, info on warez/cracks/hacking, books and information exchanges, music, links to more info about supporting the Tor movement... Basically, stuff that anonymity enthusiasts may be interested in. I personally wouldn't trust many of the files on there, though.
This is a segment of the hidden wiki.
![[image loading]](http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4218/25213113.png)
Then there's the VERY illegal stuff. From memory of what he told me, there are links to international drug markets, prostitution rings, assassin markets, black market products, and illegal pornography. There is a darkside to the Darknet, and this is only skimming the surface of it.
The tools are out there and they're readily available to anyone. I'm not going to discuss how to access the deep web because quite frankly, i haven't ventured into it myself.
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THIS is the real deal: Unless you know what you're doing I would stay away from the deep web. Your peers on Deep Web aren't quite like surface web - they're much more sophisticated and can exploit your machine for information and assume your identity if you don't know how to properly safeguard yourself.
With that being said, I wish to limit the discussion to the deep web rather than a tutorial on how to access the deep web.
I find this subject to be utterly fascinating which needs to be studied further. Whilst there are tons of bad seeds who inhabit this deep web, there's also good seeds who wish to spread their information quickly and most often anonymously, to avoid legal or ethical ramifications.
To those who have accessed the deep web, what are your thoughts? Were you able to learn and discover new things? Sickened by the content? Excited by the possibilities? Thoughts on the entire platform?
MOD EDIT: useful post on the subject, before it gets lost:
On June 03 2011 13:39 Taf the Ghost wrote:This sounds FAR more cloak and dagger than it really is. As I've had Top Site access a few times in the past, let me dispel a few things. The numbers are way off. There's Zottabyte range data on the internet ( for a little more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exabyte ). The number they were trying to pump up was the "stored" data, which is pretty big on the "Deep Web" but not as big compared to the normal web as you think. Though YouTube itself is dealing in far more total bandwidth usage than just static server storage. I wouldn't be surprised if YouTube is servering 250 Petabytes a month at this point in bandwidth. They're using big numbers of *stored* data vs used data. Most of this stuff is just stored on a server with maybe a few people a month accessing it. Just think how much bandwidth YouTube has used to serve a Justin Beiber song with 300+ million views. That's a whole lot of bandwidth, but it's really only a 30 meg file. A lot of this stuff is also very easy to get to, assuming you know to skip trying to find it with Google. Most of this stuff is in a few areas: IRC channels, Private Hamachi networks, DirectConnect (or whatever the newest flavor of server-connected P2P client is), private Websites with independent Torrent servers, Open-Protocol P2P networks, Private FTP networks and on VPNs. (I've also heard there's still an active trading regime on UseNet, but I haven't been on there in ages) Most of the information isn't necessarily illegal either. A lot of it is, but not as much as you think. Most of the data being moved around the "Deep Web" is video & image content. A lot of it is porn. But that shouldn't surprise anyone, now should it? There's private file trading networks for whatever your flavor of content is. I was in the Anime side of things, so there were a lot of servers you moved around data to host for sharing it. There's rented servers all over the place serving this data to whatever system you're supporting. TOR is a Firefox mod that uses multiple server-hopping technology to avoid detection. It was designed for Chinese dissidents at first, but it's morphed into simply being a way to hide on the internet. Mostly because the only people that can really track you back through TOR, if they want, is the Chinese or NSA. So you don't want to piss off either of those, really. In a slightly ironic twist, most of the active sections of this got started because of MIT. For a long while, MIT had about the world's largest on-site internet pipe. The CS students figured out fun ways of using it. It pretty much made Video work in IRC, which started off all of the video sharing of large files. This also hit around the same time as large numbers of people had access to Broadband, which made most of it possible. The really, really "deep" places exist in 2 forms. There are "Top sites" and then there's the Kiddy Porn areas. The Kiddy Porn areas are actually very easy to avoid... because you have to work really hard to find them. And fuck every single person involved in those rings. Really, I hope they rot in hell. You'll only ever find your way there if you're looking for them. And if you are, please turn yourself into the cops or get professional help... now. The "Top Sites" are the more interesting bit in all of this. I'm not sure what protocols they're using at the moment, but it's most likely still nearly all FTPs. These are very large networks of stored data. They've got massive pipes and are well funded, though mostly by donation. This is where things like CAM'd movies, brand new DVDrips and the like type of data work their way around. After they've moved through the Top Sites, they end up in IRC channels & on Torrent trackers. Top Sites are effectively how the "Scene" gets out their data. It's pretty effective at doing it. So, you've likely interacted with these types of "Deep Web" stuff already. If you're on a forum with an internal, required-registration section that links to Torrents, you're in the "Deep Web". Or if your College or Business has a private network for data... you're on the Deep Web. It's not as cloak & dagger as the initial post wants to make out, but it is there. But, if you want certain data, there's a good chance it *does* exist somewhere.
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I just saw this on reddit a few hours ago. Pretty much the only thing I've found is some site that sells drugs/weapons/lab supplies and delivers them to your house (Silk Road) and lots of child porn. Also hidden wiki seems to be down, which kind of sucks seeing how it has all the good links on it.
EDIT: I know you want a discussion and not a tutorial but here is a link for anyone that's interested http://www.torproject.org/
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Very interesting. Must check this out =P
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Woah this is really cool and I had no idea this stuff existed. Reminds me of some kind of Jason Borne-esque CIA movie land. I'm not asking how to access specific stuff, but does the deep web exist apart from normal www.___ stuff, or do you have to know some special URL to access it? It seems like drug traffickers wouldn't want just anyone browsing their site.
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if you like going to illegal websites then you'll like looking into this.
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On June 03 2011 11:56 redoxx wrote:Woah this is really cool and I had no idea this stuff existed. Reminds me of some kind of Jason Borne-esque CIA movie land. I'm not asking how to access specific stuff, but does the deep web exist apart from normal www.___ stuff, or do you have to know some special URL to access it? It seems like drug traffickers wouldn't want just anyone browsing their site.
Almost none of it is www stuff. You'd have to know the specific URLs to visit the sites.
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On June 03 2011 11:56 redoxx wrote:Woah this is really cool and I had no idea this stuff existed. Reminds me of some kind of Jason Borne-esque CIA movie land. I'm not asking how to access specific stuff, but does the deep web exist apart from normal www.___ stuff, or do you have to know some special URL to access it? It seems like drug traffickers wouldn't want just anyone browsing their site.
Well site url's look something like this http://eqt5g4fuenphqinx.onion/ but most of the sites are pretty open. There are some sites that require a password and log in which you get from an invite given out from a friend.
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A lot of this is child porn, and pretty awful.
It's the other stuff that makes the Deep Web interesting though.
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I'm rather skeptical. If these are sites overlooked by search engines, then where does all this information on them come from?
And the "surface internet" contains waaaay more than 19 TB, where did that number come from? TL probably has at least a few terabytes in VODs alone.
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is there a source for the OP information?
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Sigh... I am going to have to say something here before everyone reading this goes nuts and have tons of conspiracies theories and visions of "secret underground hacking alternate worlds that exist below the surface of the normal web" going through their heads.
The deep web simply means anything that is not indexed by search engines. Search engines use crawler programs that navigate and index hyperlinks so that they can later be accessed through searches on a search engine.
Here is a nice wikipedia article on it Deep web
The OP's post is full of a lot of creative language designed to make it appear a lot more secretive and dangerous than it really is. Yes parts of it are dangerous and may contain illegal elements but the majority of it is simply information that is not picked up by search engines because of the lack of connections through hyperlinking from previously indexed pages.
EDIT: Also for anyone wondering, I've seen stuff from the hidden wiki after I installed TOR a year ago and a lot of it is simply people wishing for some exclusivity through feeling hidden; the other bits are real illegal elements that are trying to eek out profits and avoid scrutiny. None of it is really that fantasy material in the OP, like I explained above.
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Has the TL general section seriously just become a two day late reddit?
It's quite exciting on first glance, although the vast majority of what's actually on the deep web are things such as paywall-blocked content, school websites, corporate portals, and other boring things that are generally restricted (but entirely uninteresting).
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I actually got this on another forum that I frequent but okay.
You're really contributing.
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Here read this for more information on what it is.
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How do you access this "deep web"?
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That's honestly far fewer terabytes of data than I expected. Hell, just endoftheinter.net and its ridiculous library of content is probably a couple petabytes/exabytes or something.
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Wait so would accessing the Deep Web be legal?
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The OP is is mostly exaggeration and sensationalism. The deep web is just stuff not indexed by search engines.
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There is a great AMA on reddit from an experienced user of the "darknet" or "deepnet" or whatever you want to call it.. Pretty interesting how this has managed to stay under the radar until now. Makes you wonder what else is out there.
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On June 03 2011 12:13 SirKibbleX wrote:
That's honestly far fewer terabytes of data than I expected. Hell, just endoftheinter.net and its ridiculous library of content is probably a couple petabytes/exabytes or something.
what's this?
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There's no "hidden underbelly" of the internet full of terrible things most people can't normally see. It's mainly just stuff not indexed by search engines, the vast majority of it is incredibly boring and of little value to most people.
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On June 03 2011 12:13 SirKibbleX wrote:
That's honestly far fewer terabytes of data than I expected. Hell, just endoftheinter.net and its ridiculous library of content is probably a couple petabytes/exabytes or something.
That number is clearly wrong.
Same for the "200,000 Deep Web sites" figure, as if that's supposed to be big. A Google search for "giant lizards" yields over three million results.
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huh...sounds like megaman and the undernet, damn that was a scary place...
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The internet has been around a bit longer than the http protocol and the www prefix. Most of the stuff referred to in the post are just servers that have been blacklisted by the major search engines. So in order to find them you need to know the URL to it.
And I think what they are referring to as the size of the "surface web" is just the total of the actual mypage.html files the webpages are saved as on the web servers and not the databases full of audio, videos and documents linked to by the pages.
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Since there's apparently only 19 TB of information on the "surface" Internet, you could buy enough disk space to download/save the whole Internet for around $500.
The whole Internet, guys.
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wrong about nineteen terabytes of surface web info. in ~2000 there were 167 terabytes vs. 91,000 terabytes in deep web, majority being computer garbage. wikipedia
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I have been down to the deep web a couple times out of curiosity. There isn't much down there besides child pornography and snuff films, along with drug trade. The hidden wiki pretty much has all the links to everything.
Note: If you don't want to get caught by the FBI, use a proxy ( more like 7) and combine it with Tor.
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I know how to get on the deep web and it's pretty disturbing down there. Also it's hard to find anything at all there unless you already know about it because its a pretty random 16 digit alphanumerical code followed by .onion so you can't stumble upon it without knowing about it already
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On June 03 2011 12:34 wonderwall wrote:
There's no "hidden underbelly" of the internet full of terrible things most people can't normally see. It's mainly just stuff not indexed by search engines, the vast majority of it is incredibly boring and of little value to most people.
well anonymous sites [16digit].onion, accessed via tor and with proper safety precautions allows people to do a number of things. it's useful for political dissidents and other people wishing to maintain anonymity. the interesting and disturbing thing is that some things like child porn, and assassination and drug markets can also be found if you know where to look. it's a very risky area to explore without proper knowledge. people can also exploit you and your machine easier if you make the wrong choices. there's also a wealth of other information, such as stuff similar to wikileaks material that hasnt been exposed, etc. i'm sure it's more interesting but yeah, the majority of the raw information is useless garbage
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On June 03 2011 12:22 Azerbaijan wrote:
The OP is is mostly exaggeration and sensationalism. The deep web is just stuff not indexed by search engines.
Welcome to 1996. 
I also thought most of the the deep net were parts of usenet that haven't been banned from the internet yet.
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also OP just copied word for word the thread from that body building forum.
Hidden Wiki:
+ Show Spoiler +Don't go on anything other than this unless you know what you're doing. You have to use Tor to use this adress, and you should unplug webcam/tape over the webcam and disable javascript if going on. You have been warned. + Show Spoiler +
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What exactly is TOR? Does it have something to so specifically with the "deep Internet"? It just seems like some sort of anonymity method. While it's apparently necessary for this sort of deep Internet browsing, it's not necessarily the main component of it, or anything, right? People can still use it for whatever "shallow Internet" sites they choose...right?
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This stuff has been the troll of 4chan for the past 3 months.
TL sure is slow.
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On June 03 2011 13:01 Z3kk wrote:
What exactly is TOR? Does it have something to so specifically with the "deep Internet"? It just seems like some sort of anonymity method. While it's apparently necessary for this sort of deep Internet browsing, it's not necessarily the main component of it, or anything, right? People can still use it for whatever "shallow Internet" sites they choose...right?
Yes and no. You need Tor to go on the deep internet, but you can use it for other stuff besides the deep internet. Tor has a protocol that allows .onions to be accessed, and .onions are the only type of site in the deep internet
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On June 03 2011 13:01 johnnywup wrote:also OP just copied word for word the thread from that body building forum. Hidden Wiki: + Show Spoiler +Don't go on anything other than this unless you know what you're doing. You have to use Tor to use this adress, and you should unplug webcam/tape over the webcam and disable javascript if going on. You have been warned. + Show Spoiler +
Can't read thread? lol
I clearly say I got it from a forum that I frequent. And no, not from bodybuilding forums.
Honestly who cares? The fact that stuff like this exists and that many people are unaware of it is more important...
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On June 03 2011 13:02 Jombozeus wrote:
This stuff has been the troll of 4chan for the past 3 months.
TL sure is slow.
Someone probably read it on reddit, which is also slow, and posted it here.
ugh
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Buying drugs on the internet seems to me like you're asking to get busted.
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this is really interesting i want to see some of those deepweb sites that are borderline illegal out of curiosity xD
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I think TL is similar to a Balrog or some other fell creature who dwells in forgotten deeps.
I mean look at the Nada's body thread.
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You should now know why people refer to it as the "Internet(s)". It's pretty scary stuff when you get deep into it... I've seen modern day gladiatorial fights to the death with wild beasts... there's no going back
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On June 03 2011 13:03 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 13:01 Z3kk wrote:
What exactly is TOR? Does it have something to so specifically with the "deep Internet"? It just seems like some sort of anonymity method. While it's apparently necessary for this sort of deep Internet browsing, it's not necessarily the main component of it, or anything, right? People can still use it for whatever "shallow Internet" sites they choose...right? Yes and no. You need Tor to go on the deep internet, but you can use it for other stuff besides the deep internet. Tor has a protocol that allows .onions to be accessed, and .onions are the only type of site in the deep internet
Ah, I see. Interesting, thanks.
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On June 03 2011 13:04 isM wrote:
Buying drugs on the internet seems to me like you're asking to get busted.
You need to stop thinking like it is the "internet". The hidden wiki has guides on how to do, go check for yourself.
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On June 03 2011 11:46 Amnesia wrote:
· The deep Web contains 7,500 terabytes of information compared to nineteen terabytes of information in the surface Web.
Yeah, that's not even close to true. I doubt the rest of those statistics are much more reliable.
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Should one only use Firefox with Tor? Still trying to feel this stuff out very cautiously :X
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On June 03 2011 13:10 Z3kk wrote:
Should one only use Firefox with Tor? Still trying to feel this stuff out very cautiously :X
Same, someone needs to help me access this untapped resource.
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THe deep net isn't really new to me, but I never found it very intresting (as in the subject, never been ther my self. or at least not the darker parts.) I do think that I would find a majority boring and the rest disgusting. Everything that I want and need, exist on the surface.
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this is soooo cool, I can't get to silkroadmarket tho
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On June 03 2011 13:20 TadH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 13:10 Z3kk wrote:
Should one only use Firefox with Tor? Still trying to feel this stuff out very cautiously :X Same, someone needs to help me access this untapped resource.
yeah use torbutton and tor for firefox.
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On June 03 2011 13:22 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 13:20 TadH wrote:On June 03 2011 13:10 Z3kk wrote:
Should one only use Firefox with Tor? Still trying to feel this stuff out very cautiously :X Same, someone needs to help me access this untapped resource. yeah use torbutton and tor for firefox.
So after running the TOR exe, all one should do is install torbutton? What if my FF is version 4; apparently torbutton is not yet supported for FF4?
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tor is good enough, torbutton is just extra.
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Here is an article about Silkroad: http://gawker.com/5805928/the-underground-website-where-you-can-buy-any-drug-imaginable
The Underground Website Where You Can Buy Any Drug ImaginableMaking small talk with your pot dealer sucks. Buying cocaine can get you shot. What if you could buy and sell drugs online like books or light bulbs? Now you can: Welcome to Silk Road.
About three weeks ago, the U.S. Postal Service delivered an ordinary envelope to Mark's door. Inside was a tiny plastic bag containing 10 tabs of LSD. "If you had opened it, unless you were looking for it, you wouldn't have even noticed," Mark told us in a phone interview.
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Mark, a software developer, had ordered the 100 micrograms of acid through a listing on the online marketplace Silk Road. He found a seller with lots of good feedback who seemed to know what they were talking about, added the acid to his digital shopping cart and hit "check out." He entered his address and paid the seller 50 Bitcoins—untraceable digital currency—worth around $150. Four days later the drugs, sent from Canada, arrived at his house.
"It kind of felt like I was in the future," Mark said.
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Silk Road, a digital black market that sits just below most internet users' purview, does resemble something from a cyberpunk novel. Through a combination of anonymity technology and a sophisticated user-feedback system, Silk Road makes buying and selling illegal drugs as easy as buying used electronics—and seemingly as safe. It's Amazon—if Amazon sold mind-altering chemicals.
Here is just a small selection of the 340 items available for purchase on Silk Road by anyone, right now: a gram of Afghani hash; 1/8th ounce of "sour 13" weed; 14 grams of ecstasy; .1 grams tar heroin. A listing for "Avatar" LSD includes a picture of blotter paper with big blue faces from the James Cameron movie on it. The sellers are located all over the world, a large portion from the U.S. and Canada.
But even Silk Road has limits: You won't find any weapons-grade plutonium, for example. Its terms of service ban the sale of "anything who's purpose is to harm or defraud, such as stolen credit cards, assassinations, and weapons of mass destruction."
The Underground Website Where You Can Buy Any Drug ImaginableGetting to Silk Road is tricky. The URL seems made to be forgotten. But don't point your browser there yet. It's only accessible through the anonymizing network TOR, which requires a bit of technical skill to configure.
Once you're there, it's hard to believe that Silk Road isn't simply a scam. Such brazenness is usually displayed only by those fake "online pharmacies" that dupe the dumb and flaccid. There's no sly, Craigslist-style code names here. But while scammers do use the site, most of the listings are legit. Mark's acid worked as advertised. "It was quite enjoyable, to be honest," he said. We spoke to one Connecticut engineer who enjoyed sampling some "silver haze" pot purchased off Silk Road. "It was legit," he said. "It was better than anything I've seen."
Silk Road cuts down on scams with a reputation-based trading system familiar to anyone who's used Amazon or eBay. The user Bloomingcolor appears to be an especially trusted vendor, specializing in psychedelics. One happy customer wrote on his profile: "Excellent quality. Packing, and communication. Arrived exactly as described." They gave the transaction five points out of five.
"Our community is amazing," Silk Road's anonymous administrator, known on forums as "Silk Road," told us in an email. "They are generally bright, honest and fair people, very understanding, and willing to cooperate with each other."
Sellers feel comfortable openly trading hardcore drugs because the real identities of those involved in Silk Road transactions are utterly obscured. If the authorities wanted to ID Silk Road's users with computer forensics, they'd have nowhere to look. TOR masks a user's tracks on the site. The site urges sellers to "creatively disguise" their shipments and vacuum seal any drugs that could be detected through smell. As for transactions, Silk Road doesn't accept credit cards, PayPal , or any other form of payment that can be traced or blocked. The only money good here is Bitcoins.
Bitcoins have been called a "crypto-currency," the online equivalent of a brown paper bag of cash. Bitcoins are a peer-to-peer currency, not issued by banks or governments, but created and regulated by a network of other bitcoin holders' computers. (The name "Bitcoin" is derived from the pioneering file-sharing technology Bittorrent.) They are purportedly untraceable and have been championed by cyberpunks, libertarians and anarchists who dream of a distributed digital economy outside the law, one where money flows across borders as free as bits.
To purchase something on Silk Road, you need first to buy some Bitcoins using a service like Mt. Gox Bitcoin Exchange. Then, create an account on Silk Road, deposit some bitcoins, and start buying drugs. One bitcoin is worth about $8.67, though the exchange rate fluctuates wildly every day. Right now you can buy an 1/8th of pot on Silk Road for 7.63 Bitcoins. That's probably more than you would pay on the street, but most Silk Road users seem happy to pay a premium for convenience.
The Underground Website Where You Can Buy Any Drug ImaginableSince it launched this February, Silk Road has represented the most complete implementation of the Bitcoin vision. Many of its users come from Bitcoin's utopian geek community and see Silk Road as more than just a place to buy drugs. Silk Road's administrator cites the anarcho-libertarian philosophy of Agorism. "The state is the primary source of violence, oppression, theft and all forms of coercion," Silk Road wrote to us. "Stop funding the state with your tax dollars and direct your productive energies into the black market."
Mark, the LSD buyer, had similar views. "I'm a libertarian anarchist and I believe that anything that's not violent should not be criminalized," he said.
But not all Bitcoin enthusiasts embrace Silk Road. Some think the association with drugs will tarnish the young technology, or might draw the attention of federal authorities. "The real story with Silk Road is the quantity of people anxious to escape a centralized currency and trade," a longtime bitcoin user named Maiya told us in a chat. "Some of us view Bitcoin as a real currency, not drug barter tokens."
Silk Road and Bitcoins could herald a black market eCommerce revolution. But anonymity cuts both ways. How long until a DEA agent sets up a fake Silk Road account and starts sending SWAT teams instead of LSD to the addresses she gets? As Silk Road inevitably spills out of the bitcoin bubble, its drug-swapping utopians will meet a harsh reality no anonymizing network can blur.
Update: Jeff Garzik, a member of the Bitcoin core development team, says in an email that bitcoin is not as anonymous as the denizens of Silk Road would like to believe. He explains that because all Bitcoin transactions are recorded in a public log, though the identities of all the parties are anonymous, law enforcement could use sophisticated network analysis techniques to parse the transaction flow and track down individual Bitcoin users.
"Attempting major illicit transactions with bitcoin, given existing statistical analysis techniques deployed in the field by law enforcement, is pretty damned dumb," he says.
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On June 03 2011 13:26 johnnywup wrote:
tor is good enough, torbutton is just extra.
So running the TOR exe and browsing in the pop FF window is good enough?
Thanks. Time to carefully explore this. Honestly I'm sort of scared >_>
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On June 03 2011 12:06 Alzadar wrote:
I'm rather skeptical. If these are sites overlooked by search engines, then where does all this information on them come from?
And the "surface internet" contains waaaay more than 19 TB, where did that number come from? TL probably has at least a few terabytes in VODs alone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)
It's an encrypted p2p network.
While ~90% of the OP is true. I doubt you can hire assassins on tor  You probably can find some people promoting that, but I'd guess most, if not all of it, would be scams ^^
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On June 03 2011 12:46 corpuscle wrote:
Since there's apparently only 19 TB of information on the "surface" Internet, you could buy enough disk space to download/save the whole Internet for around $500.
The whole Internet, guys. I'm betting youtube alone has at least 1000x times that. Recently google announced that "48 hours of video are uploaded to youtube every minute". 19 TB takes a sneeze ^^
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I heard about this a while back and was pretty shocked at all the shady business that goes on there. That being said its pretty interesting that most TLers are clearing up the fact that it's pretty boring. Kind of overhyped and sensationalized like 4chan is in a way.
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This sounds FAR more cloak and dagger than it really is. As I've had Top Site access a few times in the past, let me dispel a few things.
The numbers are way off. There's Zottabyte range data on the internet ( for a little more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exabyte ). The number they were trying to pump up was the "stored" data, which is pretty big on the "Deep Web" but not as big compared to the normal web as you think. Though YouTube itself is dealing in far more total bandwidth usage than just static server storage. I wouldn't be surprised if YouTube is servering 250 Petabytes a month at this point in bandwidth.
They're using big numbers of *stored* data vs used data. Most of this stuff is just stored on a server with maybe a few people a month accessing it. Just think how much bandwidth YouTube has used to serve a Justin Beiber song with 300+ million views. That's a whole lot of bandwidth, but it's really only a 30 meg file.
A lot of this stuff is also very easy to get to, assuming you know to skip trying to find it with Google. Most of this stuff is in a few areas: IRC channels, Private Hamachi networks, DirectConnect (or whatever the newest flavor of server-connected P2P client is), private Websites with independent Torrent servers, Open-Protocol P2P networks, Private FTP networks and on VPNs. (I've also heard there's still an active trading regime on UseNet, but I haven't been on there in ages) Most of the information isn't necessarily illegal either. A lot of it is, but not as much as you think.
Most of the data being moved around the "Deep Web" is video & image content. A lot of it is porn. But that shouldn't surprise anyone, now should it?
There's private file trading networks for whatever your flavor of content is. I was in the Anime side of things, so there were a lot of servers you moved around data to host for sharing it. There's rented servers all over the place serving this data to whatever system you're supporting.
TOR is a Firefox mod that uses multiple server-hopping technology to avoid detection. It was designed for Chinese dissidents at first, but it's morphed into simply being a way to hide on the internet. Mostly because the only people that can really track you back through TOR, if they want, is the Chinese or NSA. So you don't want to piss off either of those, really.
In a slightly ironic twist, most of the active sections of this got started because of MIT. For a long while, MIT had about the world's largest on-site internet pipe. The CS students figured out fun ways of using it. It pretty much made Video work in IRC, which started off all of the video sharing of large files. This also hit around the same time as large numbers of people had access to Broadband, which made most of it possible.
The really, really "deep" places exist in 2 forms. There are "Top sites" and then there's the Kiddy Porn areas. The Kiddy Porn areas are actually very easy to avoid... because you have to work really hard to find them. And fuck every single person involved in those rings. Really, I hope they rot in hell. You'll only ever find your way there if you're looking for them. And if you are, please turn yourself into the cops or get professional help... now.
The "Top Sites" are the more interesting bit in all of this. I'm not sure what protocols they're using at the moment, but it's most likely still nearly all FTPs. These are very large networks of stored data. They've got massive pipes and are well funded, though mostly by donation. This is where things like CAM'd movies, brand new DVDrips and the like type of data work their way around. After they've moved through the Top Sites, they end up in IRC channels & on Torrent trackers. Top Sites are effectively how the "Scene" gets out their data. It's pretty effective at doing it.
So, you've likely interacted with these types of "Deep Web" stuff already. If you're on a forum with an internal, required-registration section that links to Torrents, you're in the "Deep Web". Or if your College or Business has a private network for data... you're on the Deep Web. It's not as cloak & dagger as the initial post wants to make out, but it is there. But, if you want certain data, there's a good chance it *does* exist somewhere.
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This kind of stuff isn't my cup of tea, so I'm not really planning on visiting any of these sites, but a warning to fellow TLers:
DO NOT GO ON ANYTHING YOU DO NOT ALREADY KNOW THE CONTENTS OF.
If you want to explore this kind of stuff, that's great, but be sure about what you're exploring.
It only takes for you to accidentally go on some paedophilia site for you to potentially in trouble with the law. Or it only takes a second of carelessness to get some horrid virus that's going to do serious damage.
If it doubt, leave it out. Don't click the link.
I don't really think this message can be reiterated enough That said, happy exploring to anyone who does decide to venture off into the depths.
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Even underground fighting tournaments to the death (I'm not joking very real very organized). Very Real trained professional fighters. It may seem surreal but they are guys that train with the best and want no part of UFC or any fight league. Dudes who really enjoy fighting to the death. It's just crazy explaining it it's not some barroom brawl. These things happen and alot of millionaires pay big money to see them. Modern Gladiator battles. I heard there are some with humans vs animals.
lmao I gotta get in on this :D
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assassin markets.... O.O thats some intense shit man
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I should add, if you're seriously going to want to go the TOR-internet way... do it from a custom-compiled Linux install. It's for your own safety. You've been warned.
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And beyond the Deep Web lies R1CH, the final boss of all the internets.
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Yeah. Whenever anything from the deep web comes to the surface it becomes pretty popular to those who haven't been desensitized by how REALLY fucking bad the world can be.
Here's a light example of something I had come across a while ago (I want a mod to look at this and delete this post if its too much, yeah its not for the faint of heart, shoulda seen me when I watched the entire video).
+ Show Spoiler +So you had this lady, tied to a bed getting raped. They thought that it'd be really interesting to cut off a few body parts as they raped her. I think it was over the course of a few days that they did this before she finally died. I think at some point they must've done something horrible to her eye because they bandaged her up heavily so she wouldn't die too soon. But the segment that was pretty interesting was when they cut off her feet. Can't quite remember and i honestly don't want to rewatch the video, but I recall them cutting off her right foot while she was conscious and she passed out. While she was passed out they continued to rape her and cut off her left foot, which she woke up to a few minutes later.
It was very surreal, because when people actually die, they don't actually die like they do in the movies. There's this other video where they threw a live cow into a this massive grinding machine, and the cow was grinded alive. It gave off a hopeless and really sad moo, the girl gave off the same sort of cry. When he cut off foot it was like a butcher cutting up a pigs leg, tons of blood... and they stopped the bleeding in an almost comedic sinister way...
She died after they shredded her tongue. she died slowly and painfully
That wasn't even part of the deep web when I first saw it, but no doubt it originated from the deep web. Just like the videos of the hammer kids in Russia, these videos have been floating around in the deep web for a looooooong time.
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As per the wikipedia article that the OP's information came from, the quantity of information was circa 2000. That was a lot of information 11 years ago.
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On June 03 2011 13:39 Taf the Ghost wrote:This sounds FAR more cloak and dagger than it really is. As I've had Top Site access a few times in the past, let me dispel a few things. The numbers are way off. There's Zottabyte range data on the internet ( for a little more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exabyte ). The number they were trying to pump up was the "stored" data, which is pretty big on the "Deep Web" but not as big compared to the normal web as you think. Though YouTube itself is dealing in far more total bandwidth usage than just static server storage. I wouldn't be surprised if YouTube is servering 250 Petabytes a month at this point in bandwidth. They're using big numbers of *stored* data vs used data. Most of this stuff is just stored on a server with maybe a few people a month accessing it. Just think how much bandwidth YouTube has used to serve a Justin Beiber song with 300+ million views. That's a whole lot of bandwidth, but it's really only a 30 meg file. A lot of this stuff is also very easy to get to, assuming you know to skip trying to find it with Google. Most of this stuff is in a few areas: IRC channels, Private Hamachi networks, DirectConnect (or whatever the newest flavor of server-connected P2P client is), private Websites with independent Torrent servers, Open-Protocol P2P networks, Private FTP networks and on VPNs. (I've also heard there's still an active trading regime on UseNet, but I haven't been on there in ages) Most of the information isn't necessarily illegal either. A lot of it is, but not as much as you think. Most of the data being moved around the "Deep Web" is video & image content. A lot of it is porn. But that shouldn't surprise anyone, now should it? There's private file trading networks for whatever your flavor of content is. I was in the Anime side of things, so there were a lot of servers you moved around data to host for sharing it. There's rented servers all over the place serving this data to whatever system you're supporting. TOR is a Firefox mod that uses multiple server-hopping technology to avoid detection. It was designed for Chinese dissidents at first, but it's morphed into simply being a way to hide on the internet. Mostly because the only people that can really track you back through TOR, if they want, is the Chinese or NSA. So you don't want to piss off either of those, really. In a slightly ironic twist, most of the active sections of this got started because of MIT. For a long while, MIT had about the world's largest on-site internet pipe. The CS students figured out fun ways of using it. It pretty much made Video work in IRC, which started off all of the video sharing of large files. This also hit around the same time as large numbers of people had access to Broadband, which made most of it possible. The really, really "deep" places exist in 2 forms. There are "Top sites" and then there's the Kiddy Porn areas. The Kiddy Porn areas are actually very easy to avoid... because you have to work really hard to find them. And fuck every single person involved in those rings. Really, I hope they rot in hell. You'll only ever find your way there if you're looking for them. And if you are, please turn yourself into the cops or get professional help... now. The "Top Sites" are the more interesting bit in all of this. I'm not sure what protocols they're using at the moment, but it's most likely still nearly all FTPs. These are very large networks of stored data. They've got massive pipes and are well funded, though mostly by donation. This is where things like CAM'd movies, brand new DVDrips and the like type of data work their way around. After they've moved through the Top Sites, they end up in IRC channels & on Torrent trackers. Top Sites are effectively how the "Scene" gets out their data. It's pretty effective at doing it. So, you've likely interacted with these types of "Deep Web" stuff already. If you're on a forum with an internal, required-registration section that links to Torrents, you're in the "Deep Web". Or if your College or Business has a private network for data... you're on the Deep Web. It's not as cloak & dagger as the initial post wants to make out, but it is there. But, if you want certain data, there's a good chance it *does* exist somewhere.
If the "Top Sites" are where the most of the torrent files are originating, than those people could set up huge bot networks.
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...okay I'm quitting it now. Not worth the risk (evidently a lot of risk, versus return of either ridiculously disgusting or not particularly amazing stuff), and I'm not particularly good with CS/code/staying safe/whatnot.
Interesting read, however.
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Top Sites don't originate the data. Someone rips it from whatever source. Top Sites are just what allows the newest BluRay rip to suddenly be all over the web in 30 minutes after release.
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On June 03 2011 13:52 Z3kk wrote:
...okay I'm quitting it now. Not worth the risk, and I'm not particularly good with CS/code/staying safe/whatnot.
Interesting read, however.
Unless you want drugs or illict porn or need to escape from a political prison, TOR doesn't have a lot of use for you. But it can allow you to get out of a heavily locked down internet connection.
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On June 03 2011 13:55 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 13:52 Z3kk wrote:
...okay I'm quitting it now. Not worth the risk, and I'm not particularly good with CS/code/staying safe/whatnot.
Interesting read, however. Unless you want drugs or illict porn or need to escape from a political prison, TOR doesn't have a lot of use for you. But it can allow you to get out of a heavily locked down internet connection.
Ah, I see. Still an engrossing topic and quite cool to have learned, I suppose! My internet connection is fine and I have no need for any of the above, so I'll remain in the shallow end of the pool.
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looked around for a bit
seemed like it would take some work to get to the actually interesting stuff so i lost interest
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On June 03 2011 13:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:
I should add, if you're seriously going to want to go the TOR-internet way... do it from a custom-compiled Linux install. It's for your own safety. You've been warned. On a cheap laptop you paid with live cash on an unregistered seller. And use it on an open public wifi. While wearing a hood over your face.
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On June 03 2011 14:03 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 13:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:
I should add, if you're seriously going to want to go the TOR-internet way... do it from a custom-compiled Linux install. It's for your own safety. You've been warned. On a cheap laptop you paid with live cash on an unregistered seller. And use it on an open public wifi. While wearing a hood over your face.
Most of it isn't that bad, at least, to my knowledge. You'll find mostly insane conspiracy theories. But that's not a bad idea if you're trying to find something "interesting".
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- It's plainly obvious the majority of people do not know what the so-called "deep web" is - it's just sites not indexed by search engines. Much like the "surface internet" (jesus I feel like a dickhead just USING these terms, I'm not a 14 year old hacker any more) there is illegal content there.
- It's plainly obvious most of the shit in the OP is completely made up.
I'm closing this thread on the basis of the fact the discussion it is spawning is ridiculously sensationalist and mostly untrue. If you really want a topic about it, make one that doesn't have shit like "WIKILEAKS HAS NOTHING ON THE DEEP WEB" in the OP.
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