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Iatrik
Germany159 Posts
On April 24 2011 04:07 lunick wrote: lol read the post above you dumbass. Assumptions make an ass out of you. So please, Don't be stupid and read the above post before start hating Watch the Timer, the lenght of the post and just shut up. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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RifleCow
Canada637 Posts
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horticulturalist
United States13 Posts
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
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brood909
Canada3 Posts
1) reducing gateway timing & increase warpgate research time - (makes 2 gate rushes more powerful) 2) moving the warpgate upgrade to twilight council - (3 gate robo players will find it extremely difficult to ever get warpgate tech/push out) 3) increasing warp in time in relation to the distance from the nearest nexus - (makes pvp highly map dependent; compare close air positions on meta to close ground on meta) Why not: 1) Keep the warpgate upgrade on the cybernetics core but require a tier 2 structure (robo, twilight, stargate) to be constructed in order to research warpgate technology. In effect making the warpgate upgrade akin to the reaper speed upgrade. | ||
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Kovaz
Canada233 Posts
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DreamSailor
Canada433 Posts
That way, if you want to play offensively, you can still Warpgate, but if you choose to play more defensively, you can opt to get the Gateway upgrade now, and then get the Warpgate upgrade later. This doesn't break the Proxy gateways, this doesn't make 2gate pressure incredibly broken, it makes it (in my opinion) reasonable, and would semi-diversify tech, as well as making both warpgates and gateways usable all game long. | ||
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brood909
Canada3 Posts
On April 24 2011 04:49 Kovaz wrote: What about moving warpgate to TC tech? imo it would make it more viable as a tech tree in PvP as HTs are rarely used and DTs aren't all that effective since the dominance of robo makes observers so common. My main issue with moving WG tech to the TC is that in other matchups, PvT and PvZ, protoss would be severely confined to TC / templar tech in the early-mid game. While I'm all for more HT play, I don't think limiting the tech path of protoss would make the game any more interesting. Rather simply making TC/Robo/Stargate a requirement for WG, the protoss tech path is still very open. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On April 24 2011 02:44 Apolo wrote: Negates any defenders advantage? What are you on about? What is creep? Spine crawlers? queens? Bunkers? Harvesters? Spawning units attacking right away? Sieged tanks? Don't come tell that warp in negates defenders advantage, because that's not true. That a lot of people here are more concerned about easier wins that better game balance is nothing new, but please, moderate yourselves. It doesn't mean literally takes away all defenders advantage. If you can't see how an ability to remove rush distance is somewhat problematic i don't know what to say. Map design has always been very reliant on rush distance to help balance, now they have to balance around this. | ||
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FenneK
France1231 Posts
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HFcinfinity
United States29 Posts
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Samhax
1054 Posts
On April 24 2011 04:32 RifleCow wrote: Why don't they just flip the build times for Warpgate/Gateway after the Warpgate research is finished. So after you finish Gateway research you get the more units, faster for producing out of Gateway. And then the Warpgate takes on the old speed of the gateway. Lol that's a very esthetic way to do it, good proposition  | ||
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Sarsi
Norway76 Posts
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GoldenH
1115 Posts
On April 24 2011 04:38 horticulturalist wrote: I've always thought that the solution to PvP 4gate would be to making warp-in time proportional to distance from a Nexus. That is: warp ins close to your base would take the normal amount of time, and everything further out (say, near your opponent's base) would take longer. Maybe this would have to be scaled according to map size, as well, so that 4gating would still be viable on bigger maps such as Tal'Darim. My problem with this is that it would be relatively easy to put warpgates up on a cliff and warp units down it close to their base. It might be less safe than building in your main, but it would be much safer than an actual proxy. | ||
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LetoAtreides82
United States1188 Posts
On April 22 2011 17:42 Cajun2k1 wrote: Didn't they already increase buildtime for gateways because they found 2 gate to be too strong? Yes two gate zealot rush was pretty tough for zergs to stop during the beta, so they nerfed the gateway buildtimes. I hope they're not forgetting that. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
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ShotoElite
United States79 Posts
They are supposedly planning to decrease gateway production times while leaving warpgate production times the same. Well, the only real need of warping in is either reinforcement or emergency warp ins to stop drops and what not where you need units in a certain area. Otherwise, it would be largely more beneficial to be using gateways if you are just producing inside your own base, and macroing up. The only downside to their plan is increasing warpgate research time, which would mess up timings for early protoss warpgate rushes, but they were easy to scout and easy to stop anyway so this is just encouraging players not to play risky. It isn't really a big deal to increase warpgate research time. It is a very similar change to blizzard increasing the stim research time. It is a nuisance at most. This change would be glorious for matchups outside of PvP because this essentially means that everything remains the same, except protoss gets faster unit production out of gateways which will most likely be used more often throughout the game when warpgates aren't needed. As for PvP, it will allow the non-warpgating protoss player to produce units faster than a player who chooses to use warpgates, whose only advantage of using warpgates is to warp in outside of his base, presumably to attack. This is good and all but I can't really judge until I can play with it and feel it out. | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I am not a P player, so I do not know about PvP, so please help me out! | ||
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kiy0
Portugal593 Posts
Faster build times on the gateway over the warpgate seems to be the way to go... | ||
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