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Elean
689 Posts
I can't imagine that a delay on warpgate tech would make protoss weak early game. Stim has just been nerf for PvT, and in PvZ zergs options for aggression in the first 6minutes are extremely limited as it is now. The only reason they would need to buff gateway, would be if they planned a huge nerf on warpgate (30s delay or more). | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
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Caspas
Germany157 Posts
On April 23 2011 01:42 jackalope1234 wrote: This is sooooooooooo dumb 4gate is a viable build in every matchup and if you scout it should be stoppable even for protoss. As soon as people work out new strats with the nerf people will still complain and then we will get a build time nerf and warpgate nerf. Theyre just doing it this way to appease the masses. Stop trying to change the game 4 gate is fine and if you can't hold it you are doing it wrong. Thats what I pointed out on about the same page and I want to add: You can play a 4gate-counter without scouting your opponent in first position cause he most likely four-gates. and 3 gate robo is save enough against any strategy that can be put on you. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On April 23 2011 19:43 Elean wrote: I don't understand why they need to buff gateways. I can't imagine that a delay on warpgate tech would make protoss weak early game. Stim has just been nerf for PvT, and in PvZ zergs options for aggression in the first 6minutes are extremely limited as it is now. The only reason they would need to buff gateway, would be if they planned a huge nerf on warpgate (30s delay or more). Well i think it has to do not so much against Terran. But Rather against Zerg and their Roach rushes. | ||
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ThePieRate
United States263 Posts
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
On April 23 2011 20:37 ThePieRate wrote: They should just make a giant yellow looking pylon surface area around a nexus (Much bigger than pylons area) and then you can only warp in in the general area if your bases. This would make it still as a great tool for defending and nullify 4 warp gate pushes. Also nullyfing 50% of the toss harass. Definetely a welcomed nerf, would make me win much easier vs toss, since i don't care about game balance that much. | ||
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ThePieRate
United States263 Posts
On April 23 2011 20:50 Apolo wrote: Also nullyfing 50% of the toss harass. Definetely a welcomed nerf, would make me win much easier vs toss, since i don't care about game balance that much. Warp prisms would actually be viable :O | ||
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
Yes lets make it even morose that Robo tech is the only viable path in PVX.......... This thread has turned into garbage with all the nonsense posts. If you want to theroycraft please at least talk about things that Blizzard MIGHT actually implement. They are not going to alter things all that much at least not anything major until HoTS | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On April 23 2011 22:33 Rorschach wrote: Yes lets make it even morose that Robo tech is the only viable path in PVX.......... This thread has turned into garbage with all the nonsense posts. If you want to theroycraft please at least talk about things that Blizzard MIGHT actually implement. They are not going to alter things all that much at least not anything major until HoTS I'd call the complete removal of upgrades (K. Amulet) and nerfing into oblivion of certain units (the reaper) quite huge. Bigger than anything they've ever done during beta, actually. | ||
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Binabik
Germany686 Posts
On April 23 2011 22:33 Rorschach wrote: Yes lets make it even morose that Robo tech is the only viable path in PVX.......... This thread has turned into garbage with all the nonsense posts. If you want to theroycraft please at least talk about things that Blizzard MIGHT actually implement. They are not going to alter things all that much at least not anything major until HoTS It'd be enough if there was an upgrade which allows all Pylons to be a Warp-In Pylon for units. The PvP 4Gate wouldn't work anymore and the rest of the game would stay the same. | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
Nerfing something doesnt make another thing from the same race more viable. Things are as viable as they are. If they're not used it's because there are better options. Nerfing them won't make the less used options better, just more used. | ||
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Fym
United Kingdom189 Posts
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On April 23 2011 19:43 Elean wrote: I don't understand why they need to buff gateways. Do you understand that more strategic variety is better for the game? | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On April 23 2011 11:18 TheRabidDeer wrote: Few problems though 1) Air control is entirely different than ground control. Air control you dont have to manage any unit other than the one you want to move away. Bringing in scourge only changes the dynamics of it because of how dangerous scourge are. If such a unit existed in PvP it would be the same thing (though the delicacy of 4wg some may argue that such a thing exists on a volley basis). 2) In terms of zealot and stalker control, it is probably just as difficult as muta/scourge control, especially as people get better at unit control as time goes on. Unit control in a wg situation is more difficult because of the fact that they are ground units and you DO NOT have blink. Saying people are doing 4wg rushes with blink just illustrates your ignorance of the situation. Moving ground units around and dodging your own units to avoid damage is actually pretty difficult at times. Then there is also the issue of attack speed timing. 3) Stop bringing up the 12 unit max thing, in the ZvZ situation you describe it is usually pretty manageable with the first 6-7 hotkeys. It is only slightly more difficult and you are just trying to exaggerate the fact. You are also still not using a comparable comparison. You are over-simplifying one and over-complicating the other. That is not a valid way to argue something, it just makes you look stupid to people that are actually paying attention. You are delusional, have you ever even played ZvZ in BW? Slightly more difficult, hahaha On April 23 2011 22:51 Fym wrote: what sucks in PvP is the fact that forge first fast expo is not viable like it was in sc1 so they have to do something I don't think forge first is viable at all unless you're playing someone a lot worse than you or the map has a really long rush distance or something. The only fast expand i see nowadays is using DT's to be able to expand. Like i said earlier in the thread PvP in BW does resemble SC2's PvP somewhat, and also some of the non-mirror matchups as well, if you ignore the factor of reavers. Patrolling main army back and forth for map control until 1 main engagement in the midgame. | ||
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Obscura.304
150 Posts
Increase the morph time from gateway -> warpgate to something like 35 seconds instead of the roughly 2 seconds it takes now. A big part of the power of the 4-gate is that warpgates put you a production cycle ahead; making warpgate morph take longer would effectively get rid of the "front loaded" advantage that warpgates have. | ||
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Nothingtosay
United States875 Posts
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dusthoof
279 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12071 Posts
On April 23 2011 19:06 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Mech was never standard TvP - a handful of people played it, but thats it (I could probably name the mech players during beta just off the top of my head: PredY, Avilo, Goody and myself). Haha I remember you playing Mech, I saw you meching in the beta and tried it myself, I couldn't get it to work so gave up.  | ||
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Esel
Germany151 Posts
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