EPTPvP is going to change in the next Patch ! - Page 14
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murtas
Portugal249 Posts
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Qzy
Denmark1121 Posts
Why don't they just lower cooldown on warpgates and increase warp in the same amount. Won't hurt other matchups, while solving pvp. Easy solution. Blizz = idiots. I guess next thing they figure out: "We found out hellions can really set back a player, if they hit the worker line". "We found out marauders can kill a building in 2 secs - this is truely news to us. We care, and listen to the community". | ||
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XiGua
Sweden3085 Posts
This should be tested in the PTR first, which I actually think they will do but I hope this won't cause 2-Gate chronoboosted zealots to be a "whine-topic" again. In the end I think this is a good idea since the whole idea behind WG is weird and PvP might be a liiiiiitle more dynamic than it is right now, but I don't want another collosus vs collosus battle T.T | ||
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Kenneh89
United Kingdom47 Posts
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
On April 22 2011 20:14 weaintmagical87 wrote: bad bad bad idea increasing warp gate cooldown they re breaking pvt right there where p is alrdy by far the underdog In platinum ? Yeah. Higher than that - PvT is almost as a fucking joke as PvZ. No wonder so many Terrans switched to Protoss and even EmpireKas is laddering as Protoss now. No balance whine, but currently Protoss is favoured in all match-ups, and working on warp-gates is a good thing to begin with. But I think Proxy Gateway build in Terran's base will be too strong with this change. User was warned for this post | ||
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Alver
United States177 Posts
pvp being 100% blink stalker delayed 4gate on both sides would be just as bad as what we have now, arguably worse since going 1 base starport would be retarded, 1base colossus would get destroyed and if you try and leave your base with immortals blink stalkers harrass/base trade. dt would also surge as the main build would be hard countered by it but we get the worst of both worlds now as both techs would be completely unscoutable untill its too late. id argue this version of pvp would not just be as bad but worse than we have now. plus it doesnt adress the main thing that expos arent viable, i would go ANY BUILD if i had to in order to expo in pvp but nothing works but 1 base agression, sometimes you can expo but you cant plan for an expo build because your 10 minutes into the game before your first safe chance. its horrible this is the only mirror where you cant reliably macro win against your opponent no matter how high your skill level. the delay involved with putting warp on twilight is ok but actually doing it is a completely terrible idea. pvp would be no better at all, games would just last 1-2 more minutes. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
That said, it's all for the best. | ||
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cocosoft
Sweden1068 Posts
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On April 22 2011 21:46 cocosoft wrote: I think by nerfing Warpgate research time by just a tiny bit will make fast robo (2-3 gate + robo, as day9 did in his daily) viable. Fast DT defense also. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On April 22 2011 21:41 Huragius wrote: In platinum ? Yeah. Higher than that - PvT is almost as a fucking joke as PvZ. No wonder so many Terrans switched to Protoss and even EmpireKas is laddering as Protoss now. No balance whine, but currently Protoss is favoured in all match-ups, and working on warp-gates is a good thing to begin with. But I think Proxy Gateway build in Terran's base will be too strong with this change. Are you serious? Since when has the match been "almost as a joke as PvZ"? That is so absurd. Grass is always greener on the other side, whatever KaS is doing with Protoss, and however good he may be, he wont be switching, it is the same when Zergs were "switching to Terran". I can't even fathom how anyone can consider the match up this bad when you have players like Bomber,MKP MVP and MMA just crushing Protoss so convincingly, even players just as good like San/MC. Bomber vs White-ra had some if the most one sided games I've ever seen. Not to mention the cognitive dissonance when you say "no balance whine" but call the match "as much as a joke as PvZ" the sentence before. | ||
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Nifel
706 Posts
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ilbh
Brazil1606 Posts
On April 22 2011 21:37 TrANCE, wrote: Whats warp prism got to do with Warpgates?? you serious? super fast dropship and ridiculously cheap... | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43793 Posts
On April 22 2011 17:42 Cajun2k1 wrote: Didn't they already increase buildtime for gateways because they found 2 gate to be too strong? This. I'm confused about this apparent regression as well. However, maybe it might be different because maps are generally bigger now, thus making it harder to 2gate proxy like we used to on Steppes of War? I think it's a bit premature, especially because we're not actually seeing everyone go 4gate in PvP at the moment. Actually, I'm seeing a lot of 3gate blink and fast robo play. I think they're bent on getting PvP off one-base play though, since the mantra for a while was "First Protoss to expand loses, since they'll have banked 400 minerals in non-units". If they can find a way to allow for multi-base PvP, then perhaps (they figure) we may incorporate more variety in our PvP? Like air? Or maybe just more colossi, so this whole thing is irrelevant anyway... I think it's best to just keep letting PvP evolve at the moment, since there aren't any balance issues. Let the metagame do its thing. | ||
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pyro19
6575 Posts
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0mar
United States567 Posts
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reneg
United States859 Posts
On April 22 2011 21:40 murtas wrote: This change makes total logic, all there is to it, is how they balance the nerf&buff respectively. This. To be honest, i don't know why they didn't have this from the beginning. It makes complete sense to have a defender's advantage of sorts, by being able to produce more units faster out of your gateways, than say, the attacker out of his warpgates. Since warpgate is such a powerful mechanic, it just seemed to negate defense SO MUCH, by bringing all your production right to where you are. I'm incredibly pleased with this news | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On April 22 2011 21:48 Dommk wrote: Are you serious? Since when has the match been "almost as a joke as PvZ"? That is so absurd. Grass is always greener on the other side, whatever KaS is doing with Protoss, and however good he may be, he wont be switching, it is the same when Zergs "Switching to Terrans". I can't even fathom how anyone can consider the match up this bad when you have players like Bomber,MKP MVP and MMA just crushing Protoss so convincingly, even players just as good like San/MC. Bomber vs White-ra were sine if the most one sided games I've ever seen. Bomber is the only one crushing protoss according to TLPD, MKP and MVP are both around a 52% win rate which is their worst matchups. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
You could have something like Pylon field cancelling or something else that doesn't force people to have to re-figure out the matchups. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
That's incredibly fragile and never used? | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 22 2011 21:41 Huragius wrote: In platinum ? Yeah. Higher than that - PvT is almost as a fucking joke as PvZ. No wonder so many Terrans switched to Protoss and even EmpireKas is laddering as Protoss now. No balance whine, but currently Protoss is favoured in all match-ups, and working on warp-gates is a good thing to begin with. But I think Proxy Gateway build in Terran's base will be too strong with this change. Yea, now blizzard said enough. They do not want Toss to be favored in PvP as well so they are nerfing WG so toss is not longer favored in PvP | ||
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