EPTOn April 08 2011 23:38 Ottoxlol wrote:
I had a great laugh, thanks!
I had a great laugh, thanks!
See, this is the kind of stuff I was talking about ViB...
What is hidden from us: Cure for Cancer - Page 8
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
See, this is the kind of stuff I was talking about ViB... | ||
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Fisher
United States119 Posts
Point being that I would not be surprised if at least one of these magical cures is real and indeed being hidden from the masses in order to make more money. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On April 08 2011 23:32 ZaaaaaM wrote: You're missing one important part of economics. It's a very advanced concept that not many people understand. I'll try to explain it anyway. We experts call it the "dead man can't pay" rule. And it works like this: if someone is dead, they cannot pay you money.There wont be a cure for cancer, simply because there is too much economics behind it. Just like there will be no car running on water. Atleast not in the nearest future. Shocking, right? I know, it's really hard to understand. And here's where the most shocking consequences come: if people die from cancer, the evil big coorporations stop making money from them. Because of that advanced "dead man can't pay" theorem. So if they could actually could cure cancer. They would still make money from health plans on their extended life times. And here's another surprise: people don't wanna die and would actually pay a lot of money for the cure! Wow, who would have thought! They can actually make a buttload of money from the cure of cancer. Even more money than from hiding the cure. There's actually much demand from live people willing to pay from a cure than from dead people willing to pay for health plans! | ||
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
On April 08 2011 23:40 Fisher wrote: There has been speculation for years that apricot seeds kill cancerous cells and even some evidence to prove it. Don't feel like digging up articles, google it lol. Point being that I would not be surprised if at least one of these magical cures is real and indeed being hidden from the masses in order to make more money. Can someone tell me, with the exact figures and things, why it would be impossible to cure cancer because it's economically not viable? Or how much money people are making from cancer patients AND how they're suppressing the cures for cancer? I can't believe that if there was a cure for cancer, it would never get publicised. | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On April 08 2011 23:42 Wohmfg wrote: Can someone tell me, with the exact figures and things, why it would be impossible to cure cancer because it's economically not viable? Or how much money people are making from cancer patients AND how they're suppressing the cures for cancer? I can't believe that if there was a cure for cancer, it would never get publicised. Also if there is a pharma concern that has the knowledge and could have the patent / monopoly on cure for cancer, I doubt it wouldn't pay off for them. Of course you can tell me now that there is some giant syndicate of all pharma concerns and state(s), but I seriously doubt that, too. | ||
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feaynnewedd
Germany41 Posts
'nuff said. | ||
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Jombozeus
China1014 Posts
On April 08 2011 23:49 feaynnewedd wrote: high frequency ultrasound is actually used in the treatment of prostatic cancer. 'nuff said. "Principle: High-frequency micro-ultrasound works through the generation of harmless sound waves from transducers into living systems. As the sound waves propagate through tissue, they are reflected back and picked up by the transducer, and can then be translated into 2D and 3D images. Cancer Research: The advances in micro-ultrasound has been able to aid cancer research in a plethora of ways. For example, researchers can easily quantify tumor size in two and three dimensions. Not only so, blood flow speed and direction can also be observed through ultrasound. Furthermore, micro-ultrasound can be used to detect and quantify cardiotoxicity in response to anti-tumor therapy, since it is the only imaging modality that has instantaneous image acquisition. Because of its real-time nature, micro-ultrasound can also guide micro-injections of drugs, stem cells, etc. into small animals without the need for surgical intervention. Contrast agents can be injected into the animal to perform real-time tumor perfusion and targeted molecular imaging and quantification of biomarkers. Recently[when?], micro-ultrasound has even been shown to be an effective method of gene delivery.[3] [edit] " Wiki. Cool, so it helps take pictures, awesome. Btw Archangel, reply to my question about that free energy conspiracy in the last page ^^, do you believe that can be true, too? Sounds pretty legitimate, right (lol) | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On April 08 2011 23:40 Fisher wrote: There has been speculation for years that apricot seeds kill cancerous cells and even some evidence to prove it. Don't feel like digging up articles, google it lol. Point being that I would not be surprised if at least one of these magical cures is real and indeed being hidden from the masses in order to make more money. The NCI did a study on that way back in the 80's. Out of 178 patients with cancer, not one was cured by it. The median survival time was 4.8 months. On April 08 2011 23:31 GreEny K wrote: I don't really understand the start of your post. I'm not insisting on anything, I couldn't care less if this article has any backing to it or not... It doesn't affect me in the slightest, I'm just saying that I hate peole coming into a thread and posting "you're an idiot, this is wrong" and then leaving. Sooo what about AccuWill in the AIDS Denialism? thread. Are we supposed to go "hmm yes interesting idea, lets investigate this" to someone who obviously doesn't know anything about the subject? What's wrong with calling a spade a spade? | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On April 08 2011 23:49 feaynnewedd wrote: And what does that have absolutely anything to do with resonance? HIFU simply burns tumors with heat!high frequency ultrasound is actually used in the treatment of prostatic cancer. 'nuff said. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On April 08 2011 23:58 GGTeMpLaR wrote: am I retarded or is cancer not even a virus like it say it is in the article Some cancers are caused by viruses, but no cancer is completely different from a virus. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On April 08 2011 23:37 GreEny K wrote: I already have. And he ignored it. This time I'll go even further. I'll post 2 links and spam many of the references linked to from wikipedia, as he's not willing to do that much work:How about you just post a link or something instead of trying to argue... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioresonance_therapy From the second link: Lacking any scientific explanation of how bioresonance theory might work, researchers have classified bioresonance therapy as pseudoscience.[3] Scientific studies[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] did not show effects above that of the placebo effect. References 3 to 11, are as follows: + Show Spoiler + ^ Galle M (Oct 2004). "[Bioresonance, a study of pseudo-scientific language]" (in German). Forsch Komplementärmed Klass Naturheilkd 11 (5): 306; author reply 306. doi:10.1159/000082152. PMID 15580708. ^ Wüthrich B (2005). "Unproven techniques in allergy diagnosis". J Investig Allergol Clin Immunol 15 (2): 86–90. PMID 16047707. ^ Schöni MH, Nikolaizik WH, Schöni-Affolter F (Mar 1997). "Efficacy trial of bioresonance in children with atopic dermatitis". Int Arch Allergy Immunol. 112 (3): 238–46. doi:10.1159/000237460. PMID 9066509. ^ Wandtke F, Biorensonanz-Allergietest versus pricktest und RAST, Allergologie 1993, 16 S.144 ^ Wille A, Bioresonance therapy (biophysical information therapy) in stuttering children, Forsch Komplementärmed 1999 Feb;6 Suppl 1:50-2 ^ Hörner M,Bioresonanz: Anspruch einer Methode und Ergebnis einer technischen Überprüfung, Allergologie, 1995, 18 S. 302 ^ Kofler H,Bioresonanz bei Pollinose. Eine vergleichende Untersuchung zur diagnostischen und therapeutischen Wertigkeit, Allergologie 1996,19 S. 114 ^ Niggemann B, Unkonventionelle Verfahren in der Allergologie. Kontroverse oder Alternative? Allergologie 2002,25 S. 34 ^ Schultze-Werninghaus,paramedizinische Verfahren: Bioresonanzdiagnostik und -Therapie, Allergo J, 1993,2 40-2 | ||
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feaynnewedd
Germany41 Posts
1. Nobody hides the cure for cancer from us. People who say they have a "Cure for Cancer" that "School Medicine" and the "Evil Pharmaceutical Companies" do not endorse because they do not make enough money with it usually want to make money themselves, albeit not by helping people however by scamming them. 2. There is no "Cure for Cancer" as "Cancer" describes myriads of different illnesses that causes terrible suffering for many, many people. Researchers and doctors all over the world are doing their best to treat these diseases. There cannot be a "Cure for Cancer", ever, because "Cancer" is not a disease. Edit: Awww I shouldn't have posted in this thread. It is so stupid. Edit2: I thought this resonance-thingy was something like ultrasound, but as it turns out, it is actually nothing at all. lol | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
Do you REALLY think that if a cure for cancer, and such a simple one at that, existed no one would utilize it? Do you even KNOW what it is like to tell another human that they are going to die and that there is absolutely nothing you, they or anyone in the universe can do? I'm not much for shooting the messenger, but I would be inclined to make an exception for you... | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
On April 08 2011 23:42 Wohmfg wrote: Can someone tell me, with the exact figures and things, why it would be impossible to cure cancer because it's economically not viable? Or how much money people are making from cancer patients AND how they're suppressing the cures for cancer? I can't believe that if there was a cure for cancer, it would never get publicised. Precisely. And really, the one guy (or group) that comes forward and says 'hey we found a cure for everything, look we can prove it.' are going to get rich and be heroes. I'm highly doubting that -every single person- who is supposedly in the know about this is just sitting around laughing as organization X sends them a big check. If this guy (who I don't think was even a legitimate doctor?) could find this in the 30's, I'd think the huge mass of giant research centers that exist today would be finding it in about 2 seconds... And good luck shutting all of them up. It sounds to me like yet another inventor created yet another 'cure-all' machine. It's happened a ton throughout history. I'm sure the government does a lot of shady shit, but this is a bit too farfetched for me. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 08 2011 23:53 Jombozeus wrote: Btw Archangel, reply to my question about that free energy conspiracy in the last page ^^, do you believe that can be true, too? Sounds pretty legitimate, right (lol) Do you have a link for it? What scientist are behind it? Is it only a theory or does it work? Any research papers or anything? Unlike you I got all that in my links in the OP. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 09 2011 00:08 Ghostcom wrote: I get so offended by threads like these that I actually find it hard to put into words... What you are basicly accusing me, and every other doctor on the planet of doing is killing people for money... Do you REALLY think that if a cure for cancer, and such a simple one at that, existed no one would utilize it? Do you even KNOW what it is like to tell another human that they are going to die and that there is absolutely nothing you, they or anyone in the universe can do? I'm not much for shooting the messenger, but I would be inclined to make an exception for you... Maybe you should ask this question to local medical research doctors (I do not know the English name for these)? I am not accusing anyone of anything. I didn't even write the article LOL. Maybe read where I said I am only the messenger so please do not shoot me :D | ||
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sh02hp0869
Sweden460 Posts
That everyone would just stay quiet seems very unlikely. Wisselblowers has sacrifice for much less then for a speculative cure for cancer. | ||
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Wonderballs
Canada253 Posts
A: Jobs, researchers would be out of funding. B: Population control. Yeah that's right China and India. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 09 2011 00:01 VIB wrote: I already have. And he ignored it. This time I'll go even further. I'll post 2 links and spam many of the references linked to from wikipedia, as he's not willing to do that much work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioresonance_therapy From the second link: Lacking any scientific explanation of how bioresonance theory might work, researchers have classified bioresonance therapy as pseudoscience.[3] Scientific studies[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] did not show effects above that of the placebo effect. References 3 to 11, are as follows: + Show Spoiler + ^ Galle M (Oct 2004). "[Bioresonance, a study of pseudo-scientific language]" (in German). Forsch Komplementärmed Klass Naturheilkd 11 (5): 306; author reply 306. doi:10.1159/000082152. PMID 15580708. ^ Wüthrich B (2005). "Unproven techniques in allergy diagnosis". J Investig Allergol Clin Immunol 15 (2): 86–90. PMID 16047707. ^ Schöni MH, Nikolaizik WH, Schöni-Affolter F (Mar 1997). "Efficacy trial of bioresonance in children with atopic dermatitis". Int Arch Allergy Immunol. 112 (3): 238–46. doi:10.1159/000237460. PMID 9066509. ^ Wandtke F, Biorensonanz-Allergietest versus pricktest und RAST, Allergologie 1993, 16 S.144 ^ Wille A, Bioresonance therapy (biophysical information therapy) in stuttering children, Forsch Komplementärmed 1999 Feb;6 Suppl 1:50-2 ^ Hörner M,Bioresonanz: Anspruch einer Methode und Ergebnis einer technischen Überprüfung, Allergologie, 1995, 18 S. 302 ^ Kofler H,Bioresonanz bei Pollinose. Eine vergleichende Untersuchung zur diagnostischen und therapeutischen Wertigkeit, Allergologie 1996,19 S. 114 ^ Niggemann B, Unkonventionelle Verfahren in der Allergologie. Kontroverse oder Alternative? Allergologie 2002,25 S. 34 ^ Schultze-Werninghaus,paramedizinische Verfahren: Bioresonanzdiagnostik und -Therapie, Allergo J, 1993,2 40-2 Hmm, most of these look to be in German which I cannot read. Those that I can understand have nothing to do with what Raymond Rife was using it for. Although I am glad you are finally trying to be a useful part of this discussion, if still not going further away then wikipedia. I gave a link to a site with lots of scientific data and one only needs to look through it, you gave nothing but this and some definitions of terms written by some people. | ||
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