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KneeDeeP
United States256 Posts
On April 06 2011 12:34 Reborn8u wrote: I've seen this same strategy by zerg several times. They usually take the gold as their expo. Pretty sure that was a steppes of war or scrap station build, and its xel'naga with no gold to take that early. Did you watch the replay? | ||
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holynorth
United States590 Posts
But, yes, like everyone has said before, there is a production tab hack. You can see what it looks like on youtube. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
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aznhockeyboy16
United States558 Posts
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tnud
Sweden2233 Posts
On April 06 2011 12:43 aznhockeyboy16 wrote: I've done that before... sometimes I'll 8 pool and if he doesn't scout me I'll attack, if he does scout me I'll drone up... why is that weird? Watch the replay from the zergs point of view. He doesn't scout AT ALL during the entire game (this guy is in masters) and uses hotkey 5 for basically everything.. hotkeying larva and stuff. | ||
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sOvrn
United States678 Posts
Just because the guy canceled his lings after you scouted the 7 pool doesn't necessarily mean he was hacking. He could have wanted to rush, made the lings then hesitated and thought it was a bad idea and canceled. However there are two things that I think give it away: 1) When phoenixes are making the guy preemptively clusters his overlords together. For me that was the give away and not the hydra positions which could be luck. 2) The most convincing evidence however is when the rush comes. As everyone's said he immediately throws down like 4-5 crawlers the moment you move out? Too much of a lucky guess imo. On top of that, while you're making your way over there he brings down his queen from his main to help defend, knowing he has to hold that. At that point it's way too obvious. Besides, how do you get into master's league without even scouting the ramp of your opponent.. Doh! So ya, I agree that this has to be some kind of no fog of war on minimap / production hack. Btw, not very classy the way you stormed out of the game.... >.> | ||
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winnningwpie
United States31 Posts
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Zavi_
100 Posts
I don't want to go too much into details, but all the information in the game is sent to your client, the game just says "no, you cannot watch it yet". Hence a maphack is available in the first place. But if all the information is sent to your computer, that means it can be picked up by any other computer on the network. I do not know how well developed the method is, but you can set up a second computer to show certain levels of information of the game by picking up packages. The only one I've seen in action is a unitmovement overview, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him having access to building and unit productions either. The data is all there, is just a question of how to extract it. Unfortunately, warden cannot detect this, as it is done on a completely different computer. So until they fix battle.net to use their own servers for hosting ladder games, maphacking will be a possibility. Whether you got hacked, I cannot say, but it is a possibility. | ||
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jstar
Canada568 Posts
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Jeffbelittle
United States468 Posts
I'm not convinced he was map hacking at ALL I'm sorry, I don't. I really really don't. He faked a 7 pool, hoping you'd over react. He played absolutely terribly (as if the opener wasn't enough to show that lol...?), using his first 100 gas, nearly as soon as a bad player would notice he had enough, and got a lair. Almost all Zergs that are bad think hydralisks are like THE coolest unit ever. And so he bundled his overlords together because hydralisks were being made, he wanted to protect them. I do the same thing, even if I don't scout a Stargate. He then had like 7 hydras and 4 zerglings and was like "Well, I have 2 bases, I bet I can make a bunch of spines for units". Because he's bad. And he did. And you happened to have moved out the same time because you scouted him with your phoenixes and saw 0 ground units, so you thought you were going to trample him. Some very telling signs that he didn't map hack include allowing constant phoenix harassment to work against him, and: when you built Colossi, he MADE A BUNCH MORE HYDRALISKS. Any person who was maphacking vision and saw Colossi tech would go straight roach, or pick up a spire. The many people who thought this was map hacking are falling for something that both falls into the fields of Psychology and Statistics. It's superstitious behavior. You're all the gamblers who went to the casino, won big when wearing non-matching shoes, and now never match your shoes when walking into the casino. Translate that mumbo-jumbo into real speak: You all saw he cancelled his 7 pool, and that he built spine crawlers, and even though the rest of the entire game doesn't go by the tendencies it'd have to follow to call this maphacking, you make up excuses for why things happened the way it did. Example: Oh he didn't stop the phoenix harass because it'd be too obvious. Come on: if he didn't want to be obvious about map hacking, he wouldn't make blatant hard counter at odd timings in the first place. You're all trying to reassure yourselves because something looked fishy. Bottom line: I watched it closely, unbiased, and I think he was a legitimately bad player. But legitimate. | ||
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tchan
Australia121 Posts
On April 06 2011 13:07 Jeffbelittle wrote: ...I'm really going to piss people off from my evaluation, and I'm really sorry about that; however: I'm not convinced he was map hacking at ALL I honestly question your intelligence, your reasoning is terrible. | ||
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AeonStrife
United States918 Posts
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dLKnighT
Canada735 Posts
On April 06 2011 13:07 Jeffbelittle wrote: ...I'm really going to piss people off from my evaluation, and I'm really sorry about that; however: I'm not convinced he was map hacking at ALL I'm sorry, I don't. I really really don't. Bottom line: I watched it closely, unbiased, and I think he was a legitimately bad player. But legitimate. And he's in Masters because he's bad. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On April 06 2011 13:07 Jeffbelittle wrote: ...I'm really going to piss people off from my evaluation, and I'm really sorry about that; however: I'm not convinced he was map hacking at ALL I'm sorry, I don't. I really really don't. He faked a 7 pool, hoping you'd over react. He played absolutely terribly (as if the opener wasn't enough to show that lol...?), using his first 100 gas, nearly as soon as a bad player would notice he had enough, and got a lair. Almost all Zergs that are bad think hydralisks are like THE coolest unit ever. And so he bundled his overlords together because hydralisks were being made, he wanted to protect them. I do the same thing, even if I don't scout a Stargate. He then had like 7 hydras and 4 zerglings and was like "Well, I have 2 bases, I bet I can make a bunch of spines for units". Because he's bad. And he did. And you happened to have moved out the same time because you scouted him with your phoenixes and saw 0 ground units, so you thought you were going to trample him. Some very telling signs that he didn't map hack include allowing constant phoenix harassment to work against him, and: when you built Colossi, he MADE A BUNCH MORE HYDRALISKS. Any person who was maphacking vision and saw Colossi tech would go straight roach, or pick up a spire. The many people who thought this was map hacking are falling for something that both falls into the fields of Psychology and Statistics. It's superstitious behavior. You're all the gamblers who went to the casino, won big when wearing non-matching shoes, and now never match your shoes when walking into the casino. Translate that mumbo-jumbo into real speak: You all saw he cancelled his 7 pool, and that he built spine crawlers, and even though the rest of the entire game doesn't go by the tendencies it'd have to follow to call this maphacking, you make up excuses for why things happened the way it did. Example: Oh he didn't stop the phoenix harass because it'd be too obvious. Come on: if he didn't want to be obvious about map hacking, he wouldn't make blatant hard counter at odd timings in the first place. You're all trying to reassure yourselves because something looked fishy. Bottom line: I watched it closely, unbiased, and I think he was a legitimately bad player. But legitimate. So it's you against... how many people? What makes you so convinced that you're absolutely right and the rest of us are wrong? "Almost all Zergs that are bad think hydralisks are like THE coolest unit ever." "And so he bundled his overlords together because hydralisks were being made, he wanted to protect them." Those are some interesting assumptions you're making there, and do you ever wonder why such a terrible player is in Masters? "Some very telling signs that he didn't map hack include allowing constant phoenix harassment to work against him, and: when you built Colossi, he MADE A BUNCH MORE HYDRALISKS. Any person who was maphacking vision and saw Colossi tech would go straight roach, or pick up a spire." "Come on: if he didn't want to be obvious about map hacking, he wouldn't make blatant hard counter at odd timings in the first place." He made inappropriate unit composition because he doesn't maphack, He made blatant hard counter at odd timings because he doesn't maphack. You keep harping on about how bad he is, yet you assume that he can respond perfectly to phoenixes with his slow hydras. Does maphack even exist in Starcraft 2? Allow me to try summarizing your mumbo-jumbo: "He did this.... cuz he's bad. and you just happened to do this at the same time. It's all coincidence man. And about that other thing... well, he's bad and that's why he did this. Come on, he's bad..." | ||
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Sensator
Australia377 Posts
It's possible that he's a hacker but this is by far no proof of it On April 06 2011 13:38 Sein wrote:Does maphack even exist in Starcraft 2? YES YES YES A MILLION TIMES YES. | ||
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latan
740 Posts
i don't think it's maphack tho, just the production tab thing. however i must say you were never raping his economy, lol. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On April 06 2011 13:07 Jeffbelittle wrote: ...I'm really going to piss people off from my evaluation, and I'm really sorry about that; however: I'm not convinced he was map hacking at ALL I'm sorry, I don't. I really really don't. He faked a 7 pool, hoping you'd over react. He played absolutely terribly (as if the opener wasn't enough to show that lol...?), using his first 100 gas, nearly as soon as a bad player would notice he had enough, and got a lair. Almost all Zergs that are bad think hydralisks are like THE coolest unit ever. And so he bundled his overlords together because hydralisks were being made, he wanted to protect them. I do the same thing, even if I don't scout a Stargate. He then had like 7 hydras and 4 zerglings and was like "Well, I have 2 bases, I bet I can make a bunch of spines for units". Because he's bad. And he did. And you happened to have moved out the same time because you scouted him with your phoenixes and saw 0 ground units, so you thought you were going to trample him. Some very telling signs that he didn't map hack include allowing constant phoenix harassment to work against him, and: when you built Colossi, he MADE A BUNCH MORE HYDRALISKS. Any person who was maphacking vision and saw Colossi tech would go straight roach, or pick up a spire. The many people who thought this was map hacking are falling for something that both falls into the fields of Psychology and Statistics. It's superstitious behavior. You're all the gamblers who went to the casino, won big when wearing non-matching shoes, and now never match your shoes when walking into the casino. Translate that mumbo-jumbo into real speak: You all saw he cancelled his 7 pool, and that he built spine crawlers, and even though the rest of the entire game doesn't go by the tendencies it'd have to follow to call this maphacking, you make up excuses for why things happened the way it did. Example: Oh he didn't stop the phoenix harass because it'd be too obvious. Come on: if he didn't want to be obvious about map hacking, he wouldn't make blatant hard counter at odd timings in the first place. You're all trying to reassure yourselves because something looked fishy. Bottom line: I watched it closely, unbiased, and I think he was a legitimately bad player. But legitimate. Except he DID drop a spire almost exactly when the collossus bay went up. And if he was genuinely that bad, he wouldn't be in masters without hacks. | ||
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natewOw
United States181 Posts
Some very telling signs that he didn't map hack include allowing constant phoenix harassment to work against him, and: when you built Colossi, he MADE A BUNCH MORE HYDRALISKS. Any person who was maphacking vision and saw Colossi tech would go straight roach, or pick up a spire. Did you even watch the replay? He made a spire and massed corrupters before seeing any colossi tech or scouting (which he didn't do all game.) You, sir, are wrong. | ||
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RedMosquito
United States280 Posts
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Jeffbelittle
United States468 Posts
More convinced, though not fully, that this was a production hack. | ||
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