EPTHowever I did see ast 10:00 - 13:00 u made 2 harrassses with phoneix one at the natural and one at the main in both of thesse cases the hydras were out of position and you were able to kill drones. I do agree that the moving out coniciding with the spine crawler palcement is srtange but this deserves more extensive analysis by many high level players before a decision is made as a number of things could explain what he did in the game which do not include hacking.
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cristo1122
Australia505 Posts
However I did see ast 10:00 - 13:00 u made 2 harrassses with phoneix one at the natural and one at the main in both of thesse cases the hydras were out of position and you were able to kill drones. I do agree that the moving out coniciding with the spine crawler palcement is srtange but this deserves more extensive analysis by many high level players before a decision is made as a number of things could explain what he did in the game which do not include hacking. | ||
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natewOw
United States181 Posts
On April 06 2011 10:12 cristo1122 wrote: There are some other things that i saw at about 8:45 he moved his hydras to the right just as ur phoniexes were flying in. However I did see ast 10:00 - 13:00 u made 2 harrassses with phoneix one at the natural and one at the main in both of thesse cases the hydras were out of position and you were able to kill drones. I do agree that the moving out coniciding with the spine crawler palcement is srtange but this deserves more extensive analysis by many high level players before a decision is made as a number of things could explain what he did in the game which do not include hacking. Well OF COURSE he didn't pre-emptively move to intercept the phoenixes every time, that would be the most obvious evidence of a maphack, and maphackers almost never make it that easy. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
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cristo1122
Australia505 Posts
On April 06 2011 10:13 natewOw wrote: Well OF COURSE he didn't pre-emptively move to intercept the phoenixes every time, that would be the most obvious evidence of a maphack, and maphackers almost never make it that easy. Im not defending him or anything im just making sure that all the facts are there so a balanced decision can be made btw I personally think that he is hacking I play zerg and 7 pool into fast expand is not something that I would consider to be a good idea. | ||
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Deleted User 108965
1096 Posts
edit: when he moves his hydras around 13:45 there is no way he isnt map hacking | ||
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speedphlux
Bulgaria962 Posts
I was experimenting back in BETA 8pool -> Fast Queen & 2 lings -> 14 hatch. But that only seemed viable in ZvZ. There's surely something fishy about that guy. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
The observer you sent was sitting right infront of his face, his screen was positioned right at it but he didn't even bother to kill it till for a good 20second+, most likely because he couldn't tell if he could actually see it or not -__- | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
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Volka
Argentina390 Posts
I watched the replay. Have to say it looks weird, but he could just have some excellent game sense and timings. I don't buy the production time hack. If so, why build defenses if you see no units warping? (@ 9.00) I don't buy the vision hack either. He didn't know from where your Phoenixes were coming. (@ 9.30) The fact that you could've won despite the supposed maphack (by just 4 gating him after that weird 7 pool) makes me think you shouldn't worry too much about it. Why not call him and ask him for a rematch? Ony way to be 100% sure about this. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
I remember watching TLO (i think) on jungle basin fake a 7 or 8 pool into a fast economic build vs protoss. The liquidpedia 2 hatch hydra tells you to 10 overpool so i could see how faking a 7pool into hydras could work... if you really think about it the chances that you get collossi out with the forge (which i guess can be an assumed reaction to the 7pool) are very slim so the natural gateway heavy attack would be countered nicely by the roaches. I will say the 4 spines are a little suspicious but the droning after fending off your attack was not... I would chalk this up to an odd build order with some luckily timed spine crawlers. my 2 cents  | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
Tough luck on that game. Defiantly seems like a hack. Unfortunately, not much to do except report it. :-( | ||
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hoot00
United States77 Posts
HOWEVER During the time he was attempting to macro, I noticed that the hotkeys were changing while he was still selected on one unit. The Hatches and queens were done automatically. HE'S A HACKER | ||
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natewOw
United States181 Posts
On April 06 2011 10:31 ditkaordie wrote: I am no expert just have a couple thoughts to this example after watching the replay... I remember watching TLO (i think) on jungle basin fake a 7 or 8 pool into a fast economic build vs protoss. The liquidpedia 2 hatch hydra tells you to 10 overpool so i could see how faking a 7pool into hydras could work... if you really think about it the chances that you get collossi out with the forge (which i guess can be an assumed reaction to the 7pool) are very slim so the natural gateway heavy attack would be countered nicely by the roaches. I will say the 4 spines are a little suspicious but the droning after fending off your attack was not... I would chalk this up to an odd build order with some luckily timed spine crawlers. my 2 cents I do agree that droning after I retreated was not very suspicious. The thing that really makes me question him the most though is the fact that despite ZERO scouting, he preemptively counters every single one of my strats perfectly. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
I think it's absolutely ridiculous that he'd 7 pool, make 6 lings, then cancel them and go for an expand. Also, I've never seen a zerg make no attempts at scouting or controlling the watchtowers in a game. Overall, the guy's play makes no sense unless he was maphacking. | ||
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Lafingas
United States42 Posts
I say maphacker 100% | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
On April 06 2011 10:38 hoot00 wrote: I agree, we cannot determine if he was hacking or not based on the 7 pool to hatch. HOWEVER During the time he was attempting to macro, I noticed that the hotkeys were changing while he was still selected on one unit. The Hatches and queens were done automatically. HE'S A HACKER That's crazy | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
And I agree with your suspicions. I would put him on the hacker thread immediately. | ||
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Mommas Boy
Canada144 Posts
10 years ago, I thought by today we would be rid of this crap. | ||
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natewOw
United States181 Posts
I have reported this guy to Blizzard, and I will upload his information in the hacker database thread. | ||
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