why is this called a new maphack? Im confused?

edit: I think I understand, u just needed an opinion on whether or not he's maphacking this isn't discussing some new hack correct?

LesPhoques

Canada782 Posts

April 06 2011 02:07 GMT

#42

I did exact same thing against my friend was playing as protoss. I did 6 pool but I faked it and went 14 pool. Then I would definitely go for hydras, just to be safe from void rays or 4gate.... BUT, him throwing down 4 spine crawlers is indeed weird >.<

KevinIX

United States2472 Posts

April 06 2011 02:07 GMT

#43

I don't know that much about maphacks, but it looks like this one hides your camera position somehow. That's new to me.

natewOw

United States181 Posts

April 06 2011 02:09 GMT

#44

On April 06 2011 11:02 Mouth wrote:
why is this called a new maphack? Im confused?

edit: I think I understand, u just needed an opinion on whether or not he's maphacking this isn't discussing some new hack correct?

I don't know anything about maphacks because I don't use them. I called it a "possible new maphack" because of the fact that the guy never looked through the fog of war. I didn't know maphacks already existed which made it APPEAR that the hacker never looks through the fog of war.

So no, this is apparently not a new type of maphack, which was news to me.

KobeLobster

70 Posts

April 06 2011 02:11 GMT

#45

Definitely a hacker. Here are the tells:
(1) You don't get to masters by not preparing to stop an 4 gate ever. Whether through building a precautionary roach warren/spines, scouting and seeing FE or other, or hell, even leaving a ling out on the watch tower or just outside the enemy's entrance. He did not build any units or check for proxy pylons ever.
(2) Upon you building a stargate, he immediately put up a lair and once that finished, he put up a hydra den. The hell. Also moved his hydras in the exact position where the pheonix were coming.
(3) Immediately puts 5/6 spines immediately once you moved your forces down your ramp. 1 or 2 is fine since he saw the phoenixes but 6???

I stopped watching after due to frustration.

WGarrison

United States96 Posts

April 06 2011 02:25 GMT

#46

I'm conviced this guy is a hacker. Ignoring particulars, you can't be a masters zerg player with no scouting at all.

ballasdontcry

Canada595 Posts

April 06 2011 02:42 GMT

#47

he's hacking all right. a couple of times the zerg knew exactly where to (re)position his hydras to intercept the phoenixes, or at least shoo them away. and you don't just make corruptors blind lol. he had them ready as soon as OP made a colossus.

lol @ the guy that thinks the zerg has "game sense". yeah, way too many coincidences. even pros with good game sense actually scout once in a while.

among other evidence that people have already raised here.

duk3

United States807 Posts

April 06 2011 02:54 GMT

#48

That's a hacker.
Hacks can have the production/units tabs open so they can see what you are doing, your army in addition to the minimap. He doesn't have to look into your base because he can just see what you are doing anyways.

Dhalphir

Australia1305 Posts

April 06 2011 03:01 GMT

#49

Its potentially a hack but...

7pool definitely isn't as all-in as you might think if you don't make lings and just power drone. The ridiculously early queen makes quite a large step towards making up the difference, and perhaps this guy has some sort of plan for ZvP that involves tricking you into hopefully making a forge and cannons without having to make any lings.

Treadmill

Canada2833 Posts

April 06 2011 03:10 GMT

#50

Definitely a map hacker (or prod tab hacker). He CANCELED the zerglings - didn't just not make them, bu canceled them.

sureshot_

United States257 Posts

April 06 2011 03:11 GMT

#51

I don't know. Part of me really wants to believe he's a hacker, BUT his mindset going into this game could have simply been to play the most unorthodox game possible in order to have the "surprise" advantage (e.g. TLO and his weird strategies). Early pool forces protoss to go defensive so the zerg has time to go fast expand. Early forge play usually leads to a stargate (not necessarily), so going hydras would be a safe to ensure nothing fishy happens with voidrays/phoenixes. This still doesn't explain the spine crawlers and some of the production cancelling that was going on, however, unless he somehow has played this strategy before and recognizes appropriate timings for counterpushes there's really no explanation for it.

I could be totally mistaken. I'm going to watch the replay momentarily, so this opinion might change.

tnud

Sweden2233 Posts

April 06 2011 03:22 GMT

#52

On April 06 2011 10:38 hoot00 wrote:
I agree, we cannot determine if he was hacking or not based on the 7 pool to hatch.

HOWEVER

During the time he was attempting to macro, I noticed that the hotkeys were changing while he was still selected on one unit. The Hatches and queens were done automatically. HE'S A HACKER

At least he's hacking in that way. Mention that and he'll be banned.
What time?

EDIT: Once you watch the replay it becomes painfully obvious he's hacking/AI?
Just watch him use 5 for various taskts.. like hotkeying all the larva.. hotkeying a single morphing baneling. There's one point when he stares at his ramp for a while too, prob checking your base

Clicker

United States1012 Posts

April 06 2011 03:25 GMT

#53

In the maphack used by igware, it's advertised in the description there is a toggle that locks the replay camera and allows the hacker to look anywhere he pleases without it being noticable in his camera view.

It's pretty obvious, he's toggling it on and maphacking you without you being able to obviously notice in the replay.

duk3

United States807 Posts

April 06 2011 03:29 GMT

#54

He cancelled the zerglings, he wasn't going for some 7 pool fast queen and expansion from the start. And since he never scouted his opponent, there isn't any reason for him to just randomly cancel all of his lings and make an expansion.

Baarn

United States2702 Posts

April 06 2011 03:29 GMT

#55

Hard to believe it's a hacker since his win/loss is 50%. He lost like 3-4 games before beating you with a really retarded build. You let him expand to his natural unchecked so he could drone up. You saw he had hydra and delayed your tech to ht or col. Technology does exist to sway the arguement that he is hacking. It is unusual that you weren't scouted the entire time. It could be a bot with a weird BO and that explains the losses though I can't see the duration of the matches to say otherwise. The larvae usage is almost robotic and doesn't miss a beat from my observation.

Sein

United States1811 Posts

April 06 2011 03:29 GMT

#56

On April 06 2011 12:01 Dhalphir wrote:
Its potentially a hack but...

7pool definitely isn't as all-in as you might think if you don't make lings and just power drone. The ridiculously early queen makes quite a large step towards making up the difference, and perhaps this guy has some sort of plan for ZvP that involves tricking you into hopefully making a forge and cannons without having to make any lings.

It's not just 7pool into 13 hatch. He actually canceled his 6 lings once he saw forge on the production tab and there are a few other really suspicious moments. He's not even good at hiding the fact he is maphacking.

Can we publicize this guy enough that so Blizzard will take an action outside of their regular wave bans? Doubtful that'll happen though as this guy isn't top ranked like iGware was.

KneeDeeP

United States256 Posts

April 06 2011 03:30 GMT

#57

Okay this is totally obvious like 13:30 in the game your moving your pheonix around the map to pick off drones and he his putting hydra in position to snipe them with NO vision. He has NO vision of your base the entire game until the end not even a damn pylon. And if you watch his vision his camera is abnormally still early game in my opinion.

Reborn8u

United States1761 Posts

April 06 2011 03:34 GMT

#58

I've seen this same strategy by zerg several times. They usually take the gold as their expo.

Nemireck

Canada1875 Posts

April 06 2011 03:36 GMT

#59

Very likely a map hacker. Based off nothing but his immediate ling cancel the moment your forge was made, and his immediate rush to get hydralisks up without even scouting your base.

Though your comment at the end of the game was completely ridiculous, and there is still a lesson to be learned from this game to improve your play despite his probably hacking. You claimed to have been raping him the entire game, but you barely scratched him, so how you felt you were ahead in that game is beyond me. Also, he was able to get up 4 bases without you even trying to stop it. You only continued to attempt to harass with Phoenixes after they were clearly obsolete, and you fell way behind even though he never once tried to attack you until he had hit max army. You should have had way more stuff than you did when he attacked. Granted, had you tried to take a 3rd it's very likely he would have immediately hit it with lots of units, but I'm only making the point that you can still learn a lot from your mistakes despite your opponent cheating.

A map hack can only do so much for a player, and had you successfully defended his attack, it likely would have resulted in your ability to a-move his base with a toss deathball, a map hack doesn't stop that :-p