God HAD a wife - Page 9

On March 24 2011 03:32 bball wrote:
how do you find evidence for god's wife when there is no evidence for him at all...

On March 24 2011 03:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Well, we lasted 7-8 pages before talking about proving the existence of God (which isn't the point of the thread).

'Twas a good try at a religious non-debating topic, but it's all downhill from here

On topic: What are the consequences (if any at all) of the belief/ discovery that God has a wife? Does this happen to change any core principles of Christianity?

On March 24 2011 03:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Well, we lasted 7-8 pages before talking about proving the existence of God (which isn't the point of the thread).

'Twas a good try at a religious non-debating topic, but it's all downhill from here

On topic: What are the consequences (if any at all) of the belief/ discovery that God has a wife? Does this happen to change any core principles of Christianity?

On March 23 2011 11:58 gongryong wrote:
you should read Rorty and Vattimo's Future of Religion instead.

On March 24 2011 03:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

The most important core principle: monotheism.

Although it is likely this is some form of sensationalist writing. There were many hebrew gods in the Old Testament, but they were considered idols. It's quite possible Asher falls under this camp, probable even.

On March 24 2011 03:43 SnK-Arcbound wrote:

God does have a wife. The wife is the church of god (literally), but not an actual wife (allegorically). The purpose of God making people was so that they would either choose to be with him and do like him, or not. He'll be with the ones who want to know him. God having a wife is true, however saying it is some goddess is false. God's relationship towards the church is different from marriage, but it needs to be relayed to us in means that we can understand.

On March 24 2011 04:07 Igakusei wrote:


The issue under discussion is whether or not they were always considered idols. A lot of people replying in this thread have a view of the Bible that it is exactly what it says it is, which answers the question rather cleanly from a superficial point of view. From a historical critical viewpoint however, there is significant evidence of assumed polytheism in the Bible itself, one type of which I posted on the last page.

There are other lines of evidence such as the types of stories told (e.g. Abraham and his immediate descendants interacting personally with a tangible God vs Yahweh guiding later Hebrews as a pillar of cloud/fire and generally interacting in more removed/intangible ways), and how they correlate to the types of stories told by other contemporary religions. The evidence doesn't support the assumption that Abraham's descendants always believed that there was only one God and the others were simply idols, but that's an assumption that most Christians are raised with and many of the posters here seem to be working from.

On March 24 2011 04:14 Butterz wrote:
Remove this thread please

On March 24 2011 04:19 Facedriller wrote:
I bet that there are some dumbass creationists in here.

I'd gladly skullcrush a creationist.

On March 24 2011 04:31 kn83 wrote:
The fact that the ancient Jews worshiped many gods is no hidden secret, hell Christians and Jews themselves didn't try to hide this fact at all. Most people don't seem to know ( which many religious scholars point out) that monotheism, polytheism, pantheism and others are purely modern concepts that largely had no meaning to people in ancient/medieval times ( the words themselves were coined by Western Europeans in 17th-18th centuries, with no earlier parallels ). Also, many scholars of today pointed out that the rejection of Asherah (a foreign deity) had mostly to do with the Jews ethnic conflicts with the Canaanites and not with theology (the Jews still had female deities that they still worshiped afterward). Also, Asherah was said to by El's wife, not Yahweh (YHWH, who was considered the absolute, ineffable, beyond any relation, genderless, etc if your in to metaphysics). Yahweh was the center of attention because he's the "essence" of God (hence his "personal" name). Going back to the first point, the many gods and goddess of ancient Israel are in fact the numerous names/attributes of God/YHWH in Orthodox Judaism (one of the names, Elohim, is in fact plural, that's why God refers to himself as "we" in parts of the Bible, he's ALL of the gods, not one among others). When you think about it, its no different from Hinduism ("truth is one, but it is known by many names" says the Rig Veda). In light of all this if you're not a literalist, you could read the 2nd commandment as "don't cling to anything except me". If you were to translate these names in Arabic, you'd get the 99 names of Allah in Islam ( Muslims DO worship the same God, this shouldn't even be a debate). The issue about the Christian trinity is not that Jews and Muslim actually think Christians worship 3 gods (Mormons kind of do though), its a debate over God's essence. The sensationalism around this issue is based on pure feminist crap about Abrahamic religions "suppressing" the feminine (completely ignoring the fact that sexism exist in ALL religions and the whole of human culture in general, see Pandora's Box in Greek Mythology for example). I think that explains everything.

On March 24 2011 04:31 billyX333 wrote:
studying ancient texts/belief systems =/= believing the ancient texts/beliefs
seriously, why are people trying to turn this thread into another god debate