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buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
March 21 2011 07:31 GMT
#61
Haha, leave it to the Chinese to crack software. I don't see this being too big, unless until some Chinese kids get LAN working without having to use a Bnet account.
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
March 21 2011 07:32 GMT
#62
On March 21 2011 16:22 Veldril wrote:
I think you guys are too optimistic about LAN and having private ladders like ICCUP for SC2 if this crack is true.

I really doubt that ICCUP would risk going into lawsuit against Blizzard if they use the "cracked" version, which is obviously illegal, to create ICCUP ladder for SC2. And if Blizzard is willing to sue OGN and MBC for IP rights, which is more debatable than using cracked version, I can really see Blizzard taking harsh reaction against those private ladders.


Yep, before everyone blows their load, don't forget that Blizzard is 100% behind SC2 unlike BW.

Using pirated copies will only hurt esports by losing Blizzard's support. The only LAN we should be looking forward to is Blizzard's own.
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DirtYLOu
Profile Joined May 2010
575 Posts
March 21 2011 07:34 GMT
#63
On March 21 2011 16:32 Backpack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 16:22 Veldril wrote:
I think you guys are too optimistic about LAN and having private ladders like ICCUP for SC2 if this crack is true.

I really doubt that ICCUP would risk going into lawsuit against Blizzard if they use the "cracked" version, which is obviously illegal, to create ICCUP ladder for SC2. And if Blizzard is willing to sue OGN and MBC for IP rights, which is more debatable than using cracked version, I can really see Blizzard taking harsh reaction against those private ladders.


Yep, before everyone blows their load, don't forget that Blizzard is 100% behind SC2 unlike BW.

Using pirated copies will only hurt esports by losing Blizzard's support. The only LAN we should be looking forward to is Blizzard's own.


You still believe that they gonna release LAN ? If they would do so, we would have be playing on LAN already.
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emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 07:35:54
March 21 2011 07:34 GMT
#64
I dont get how LAN mode would work, the crack would have to add new feautures, or be like a stand alone bnet server.

I also love how all the conspiracy theorists come out in these threads. Blizzard didn't add LAn to stop kespa etc..... ridiculous. Blizz didn't add LAN simply to make it harder for people to pirate SC2 and to stop things like the iccup BW server which allows you to play multiplayer for free on aserver not controlled by blizz. Its their game they have the right to control who runs a server and who can play it.... you have to pay else we don't get any more games from blizz... that simple
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DirtYLOu
Profile Joined May 2010
575 Posts
March 21 2011 07:39 GMT
#65
On March 21 2011 16:34 emythrel wrote:
I dont get how LAN mode would work, the crack would have to add new feautures, or be like a stand alone bnet server.

I also love how all the conspiracy theorists come out in these threads. Blizzard didn't add LAn to stop kespa etc..... ridiculous. Blizz didn't add LAN simply to make it harder for people to pirate SC2 and to stop things like the iccup BW server which allows you to play multiplayer for free on aserver not controlled by blizz. Its their game they have the right to control who runs a server and who can play it.... you have to pay else we don't get any more games from blizz... that simple


Thats why people want to have something like iCCUP, because their managing of the servers is a bullshit.
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Shinshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1237 Posts
March 21 2011 07:39 GMT
#66
On March 21 2011 16:34 emythrel wrote:
I dont get how LAN mode would work, the crack would have to add new feautures, or be like a stand alone bnet server.

I also love how all the conspiracy theorists come out in these threads. Blizzard didn't add LAn to stop kespa etc..... ridiculous. Blizz didn't add LAN simply to make it harder for people to pirate SC2 and to stop things like the iccup BW server which allows you to play multiplayer for free on aserver not controlled by blizz. Its their game they have the right to control who runs a server and who can play it.... you have to pay else we don't get any more games from blizz... that simple

Well there was always the way to get a CD key illegally... and I wouldn't be surprised if one of those popped up soon...
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emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
March 21 2011 07:52 GMT
#67
On March 21 2011 16:39 Shinshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 16:34 emythrel wrote:
I dont get how LAN mode would work, the crack would have to add new feautures, or be like a stand alone bnet server.

I also love how all the conspiracy theorists come out in these threads. Blizzard didn't add LAn to stop kespa etc..... ridiculous. Blizz didn't add LAN simply to make it harder for people to pirate SC2 and to stop things like the iccup BW server which allows you to play multiplayer for free on aserver not controlled by blizz. Its their game they have the right to control who runs a server and who can play it.... you have to pay else we don't get any more games from blizz... that simple

Well there was always the way to get a CD key illegally... and I wouldn't be surprised if one of those popped up soon...


oh im sure there are cracks already but a fake cd key wont get you anywhere since you dont have to enter one to install the game, the cd keys are to register ur bnet account with the game.... you can't fake that. blizz have as good protection as they can get, all the authentication is done server side, you can't modify client files and get to multiplayer.
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DirtYLOu
Profile Joined May 2010
575 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 07:57:41
March 21 2011 07:56 GMT
#68
Well if u make the client NOT to connect through battlenet, but through some other website/ no need of connecting to website like battlenet ( blizzard's way ), then there you go. ( I mean thats what's called cracking, and thats what they doing rofl )

And there are games already that requires multiplayer connection through inet. ( Codemasters games )
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 21 2011 07:57 GMT
#69
On March 21 2011 16:32 Backpack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 16:22 Veldril wrote:
I think you guys are too optimistic about LAN and having private ladders like ICCUP for SC2 if this crack is true.

I really doubt that ICCUP would risk going into lawsuit against Blizzard if they use the "cracked" version, which is obviously illegal, to create ICCUP ladder for SC2. And if Blizzard is willing to sue OGN and MBC for IP rights, which is more debatable than using cracked version, I can really see Blizzard taking harsh reaction against those private ladders.


Yep, before everyone blows their load, don't forget that Blizzard is 100% behind SC2 unlike BW.

Using pirated copies will only hurt esports by losing Blizzard's support. The only LAN we should be looking forward to is Blizzard's own.

Herm, I seem to remember a 10 year old game thriving competitively without any support from the creator. I believe it was Brood something. Developer might have been Dizzard?
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DirtYLOu
Profile Joined May 2010
575 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 08:00:17
March 21 2011 07:58 GMT
#70
On March 21 2011 16:57 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 16:32 Backpack wrote:
On March 21 2011 16:22 Veldril wrote:
I think you guys are too optimistic about LAN and having private ladders like ICCUP for SC2 if this crack is true.

I really doubt that ICCUP would risk going into lawsuit against Blizzard if they use the "cracked" version, which is obviously illegal, to create ICCUP ladder for SC2. And if Blizzard is willing to sue OGN and MBC for IP rights, which is more debatable than using cracked version, I can really see Blizzard taking harsh reaction against those private ladders.


Yep, before everyone blows their load, don't forget that Blizzard is 100% behind SC2 unlike BW.

Using pirated copies will only hurt esports by losing Blizzard's support. The only LAN we should be looking forward to is Blizzard's own.

Herm, I seem to remember a 10 year old game thriving competitively without any support from the creator. I believe it was Brood something. Developer might have been Dizzard?



Exactly.

And not to forget... Blizzard wasn't the one that made SC1 as we know it. Korean made the maps, which played HUGE role in todays starcraft esports.

And we know how much blizzard hate to make good maps. AGAIN.
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lofung
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong298 Posts
March 21 2011 08:01 GMT
#71

On March 21 2011 16:32 Backpack wrote:

Using pirated copies will only hurt esports by losing Blizzard's support. The only LAN we should be looking forward to is Blizzard's own.

did blizzard ever try to support esports?
by sueing some random organization?
avoid chat?
and 'listen' to the community?
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Dont Panic
Profile Joined October 2010
United States194 Posts
March 21 2011 08:06 GMT
#72
They had lan in the alpha client. Blizzard was being greedy and just wanted to control things. They are not trying to promote esports, they are simply trying to profit from it (trying to kespa and mbc all those fees LOL).

This gives people a little power because if activision blizzard starts trying to do micro transactions for everything they will have to compete with with these private servers. Not a big deal though.
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T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
March 21 2011 08:13 GMT
#73
4 Pages and still just speculation oh well!

If anyone did it it would be the Chinese. They came up with all these funky cracks in the beta to play against the blizzard ai or custom ai and the first with region swapping so you could play on other servers with the same client.

Really hoping that lan gets put in to the real thing so we can stop the dramas at gsl and mlg.
DirtYLOu
Profile Joined May 2010
575 Posts
March 21 2011 08:15 GMT
#74
And also guys think of leagues like NASL, TSL. Playing without lag... Cuz i don't have to tell u guys that players will play with MASSIVE lags..
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Tekst
Profile Joined December 2010
United States14 Posts
March 21 2011 08:27 GMT
#75
I think a smarter answer for tournaments is to get special approval from Blizzard. I don't know if Blizzard claimed to not have a lan, but I'm sure most of the community knows they do. Anyways, my idea is for them to have a special lan client for "Licensed" tournaments, like GSL and NASL (places where they play in house/in a studio). (: TSL is played over BNET, so I don't know how that'll work. Anyways, I think that solves the problem for tournament disconnects without putting Blizzard in excessive risk of piracy. Appeal to Blizzard? [:

P.S. I wouldn't personally try it, just because it's not a file I'd trust. If you find someone willing to try it, I'd be happy to read what they have to say about it. I, like many other people in this thread, don't know if it'll matter that much though.
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
March 21 2011 08:29 GMT
#76
I think you guys misunderstanding something. This is not about Blizzard would support the scene (game) or not. It is about if someone going to use the "cracked" version with LAN to create a private ladder or server, then they are going to be hit by a huge lawsuit that it would not worth the risk.

ICCUP officially stated that they are not going to do a ladder for SC2, and I still believe they don't change their stance yet. Unless Blizzard give it a go, which is very unlikely, I really doubt a renowned game servers will dare to put SC2 on their ladders, even if they can technically.
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RoL
Profile Joined April 2010
United States22 Posts
March 21 2011 08:32 GMT
#77
For the general population that can afford to legitimately buy starcraft 2, I don't see any reason why there needs to be LAN capability. Back in the 90s, the lan parties I played at we really LAN parties, but nowadays, general home internet is so fast that you can even host small LAN parties at your own place. I have done this myself with more than 8 players playing on battle.net 2.0. Like the others have said, this can only help those who don't buy games (China) play starcraft 2, or allow for iccup 2 (incredibly stupid idea).
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
March 21 2011 08:39 GMT
#78
BW had LAN, spawned installs, iccup where you could just download the client instantly and sold 11 million copies, more than any PC game I can think of.

I think that says enough.

We need LAN for proper offline tournaments, no excuses.
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dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 08:50:49
March 21 2011 08:43 GMT
#79
On March 21 2011 15:41 R0YAL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 15:37 JayDee_ wrote:
On March 21 2011 15:33 R0YAL wrote:
On March 21 2011 15:26 JayDee_ wrote:
On March 21 2011 15:22 DirtYLOu wrote:
On March 21 2011 15:20 JayDee_ wrote:
Don't tell Kespa!


What does kespa have to do with anything ? T_T?

By denying LAN and forcing BNet play, Blizzard is able to control who gets to run tournaments.

The whole dispute between Blizzard and kespa is because kespa refuses to pay them compensation.

Yes and Blizz is able to prevent organizations like kespa from using SC2 by denying LAN functionality.

Yeah thats why if kespa got a cracked sc2 with LAN capability, what could blizzard do?


Blizzard can then buttrape them. Go search for the Blizz v Glider bot creator case ...

In the end LAN only helps for local play. No ICCUP servers or any other server will ever be as high quality as battle.net if you play on the internet. The simple fact that Blizzard's servers have latency added by default makes them a lot more balanced for inter-region play.

While it would be a nice feature it isn't actually needed except for major LAN events and GSL/NASL finals. Everything else is helping pirating even if not many people would want to admit it, it's been the same with SC1.

And this early in the game's life Blizzard will take your homes, cars and children if you even try to put up a public SC2 server.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
March 21 2011 08:43 GMT
#80
Just to clear up two things

1: No iCCup SC2 server, not happening.

2: No tournament that has a license from Blizzard would EVER in hell get permission to use this crack.

That being said, this should encourage companies like ESL and MLG to lean on Blizz more about this 1990's basic feature missing from the largest ESport in the world right now...
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