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On November 05 2004 10:54 Liquid`Drone wrote:
as for that whole 6000 years thing (I do believe a couple of forummembers believe this is the case), I didn't think about this before, but um, don't fucking STARS disprove this? there has been some ridiculous explanation to everything else, so I'm interested in this one.
or do christians not believe we're capable of seeing any stars further away than 6000 lightyears?
Hell if I know, it is completely illogical.
But so is an omnipotent being so who knows what else these crazies will come up with 
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God is a concept brought forth by the human mind, and like every concept thought up, it is not sufficient to describe reality.
Ofcourse there is no god, because a part can not know the whole.
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On November 05 2004 11:00 badteeth wrote:
God is a concept brought forth by the human mind, and like every concept thought up, it is not sufficient to describe reality.
Ofcourse there is no god, because a part can not know the whole.
Are you claiming there is no god or there are no dieties?
Specifics man! :O
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On November 05 2004 11:01 Element)FrEaK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2004 11:00 badteeth wrote:
God is a concept brought forth by the human mind, and like every concept thought up, it is not sufficient to describe reality.
Ofcourse there is no god, because a part can not know the whole. Are you claiming there is no god or there are no dieties? Specifics man! :O
No god, no deities.
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On November 05 2004 11:00 Element)FrEaK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2004 10:54 Liquid`Drone wrote:
as for that whole 6000 years thing (I do believe a couple of forummembers believe this is the case), I didn't think about this before, but um, don't fucking STARS disprove this? there has been some ridiculous explanation to everything else, so I'm interested in this one.
or do christians not believe we're capable of seeing any stars further away than 6000 lightyears?
Hell if I know, it is completely illogical. But so is an omnipotent being so who knows what else these crazies will come up with
A Christians explanation would be, that God sped up the light so humans would be able to see the stars even if they are over 6000 years away.
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because god can do anything
Because its logical
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On November 05 2004 11:08 BC.WeaPonX wrote:
A Christians explanation would be, that God sped up the light so humans would be able to see the stars even if they are over 6000 years away.
I certainly hope not.
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i'm a deity.. so ur proven wrong
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Don't know if this was stated regarding the "heavy rock" argument: if the rock is too heavy for even god to lift it, then it would have to be infinitely heavy because god has infinite power, and thus the rock would have infinite mass and it would be impossible to lift it in the first place because it would be impossible to grab it given that is has no limits of mass. This is why the argument is contradictory in itself.
Trying to measure God's power according to the rules that he himself created is just silly.
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That would be like asking wether a real tank can beat a brood war siege tank. Does not make sense.
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On November 05 2004 11:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2004 11:08 BC.WeaPonX wrote:
A Christians explanation would be, that God sped up the light so humans would be able to see the stars even if they are over 6000 years away. I certainly hope not.
Einstein would sure shudder at that one.
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On November 05 2004 11:37 SoL.Origin wrote:
That would be like asking wether a real tank can beat a brood war siege tank. Does not make sense.
Depends if the tank is in seige mode, and the other tank micros up really close.
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Where does it say in the bible that god created the universe in 6000 years? Grow up people, most of you have never even read the bible and intend to have an objective oppinion on this subject.
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On November 05 2004 11:35 SoL.Origin wrote:
Don't know if this was stated regarding the "heavy rock" argument: if the rock is too heavy for even god to lift it, then it would have to be infinitely heavy because god has infinite power, and thus the rock would have infinite mass and it would be impossible to lift it in the first place because it would be impossible to grab it given that is has no limits of mass. This is why the argument is contradictory in itself.
Trying to measure God's power according to the rules that he himself created is just silly.
God could also just alter the gravitational field of one mass infinitely, if he is all-powerful, and in doing so would make the weight of a rock-of-finite-mass in that gravitational field infinite in magnitude. Then, with his infinite strength, he could at best keep the rock at rest without cheating and creating a finite gravitational field.
Of course, in "the rules God himself created," it is absurd to imagine an infinitely strong gravitational field, because it would contradict the "rules" of gravitation. It is equally as absurd to imagine a rock of infinite mass, because infinite mass does not exist. Thus you are basing your argument, about the necessity of infinite mass, on the premise that your scenario is within the "rules that God created," which it is not. The scenario of infinitely strong gravitation is not within "the rules that God created" either. Hence the question, "can God make a rock so heavy that even He can't lift it?" rests on the premise that even God must follow the rules that God created, and thus there cannot be infinite mass nor infinitely strong gravity. Considering cases that lie outside the rules of the situation does not invalidate the situation. For instance, you can't state that a two-dimensional function is invalid simply because it is bounded along the horizontal axis and does not exist at either positive or negative infinity. Hence the question stands, "can God make a rock so heavy that even He can't lift it?" and it is valid.
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On November 05 2004 11:45 SoL.Origin wrote:
Where does it say in the bible that god created the universe in 6000 years? Grow up people, most of you have never even read the bible and intend to have an objective oppinion on this subject.
Read the Bible and start counting the years since the beginning.
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On November 05 2004 11:55 [vital]Myth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2004 11:45 SoL.Origin wrote:
Where does it say in the bible that god created the universe in 6000 years? Grow up people, most of you have never even read the bible and intend to have an objective oppinion on this subject. Read the Bible and start counting the years since the beginning.
The bible does not mention the word "years" in the whole Genesis chapter I believe. It does speak of "periods" which is too wide a subject to consider it to be specifically 6000 years. It would as well be 6000 million years. Or 7000. Who knows?
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the "most christian" people I've talked to are all of the opinion that the world is at least younger than 10000 years.
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On November 05 2004 11:54 [vital]Myth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2004 11:35 SoL.Origin wrote:
Don't know if this was stated regarding the "heavy rock" argument: if the rock is too heavy for even god to lift it, then it would have to be infinitely heavy because god has infinite power, and thus the rock would have infinite mass and it would be impossible to lift it in the first place because it would be impossible to grab it given that is has no limits of mass. This is why the argument is contradictory in itself.
Trying to measure God's power according to the rules that he himself created is just silly. God could also just alter the gravitational field of one mass infinitely, if he is all-powerful, and in doing so would make the weight of a rock-of-finite-mass in that gravitational field infinite in magnitude. Then, with his infinite strength, he could at best keep the rock at rest without cheating and creating a finite gravitational field. Of course, in "the rules God himself created," it is absurd to imagine an infinitely strong gravitational field, because it would contradict the "rules" of gravitation. It is equally as absurd to imagine a rock of infinite mass, because infinite mass does not exist. Thus you are basing your argument, about the necessity of infinite mass, on the premise that your scenario is within the "rules that God created," which it is not. The scenario of infinitely strong gravitation is not within "the rules that God created" either. Hence the question, "can God make a rock so heavy that even He can't lift it?" rests on the premise that even God must follow the rules that God created, and thus there cannot be infinite mass nor infinitely strong gravity. Considering cases that lie outside the rules of the situation does not invalidate the situation. For instance, you can't state that a two-dimensional function is invalid simply because it is bounded along the horizontal axis and does not exist at either positive or negative infinity. Hence the question stands, "can God make a rock so heavy that even He can't lift it?" and it is valid.
Your post makes no sense whatsoever. God is obviously not limited to this universe, and if he wants to create a rock in this universe the rock must necessarily apply the rules created by him or it wouldnt be in this universe. What you are asking is like saying "god cannot do something that is impossible to be done" but that is obviously a contradiction in itself.
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No origin.
It starts with god creating the earth and space in 7 days. Then adam comes in, who lives for 950 years iirc.
The word years is definitely used in describing the ages of people. Just add up all the years (i think it also says how old people are when they have children, so there isnt much guessing needed) till you get to the new testament and i think it would be around 6000
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On November 05 2004 12:01 Liquid`Drone wrote:
the "most christian" people I've talked to are all of the opinion that the world is at least younger than 10000 years.
If you really want to know you should read the bible, it is the only source available that you can trust regarding this subject. Other people base their assumptions on reading the bible too but they are not necessarily right. I starting reading the bible a couple of years ago and have yet to find a contradiction in it, and I've studied physics and chemistry enough for that purpose.
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