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half of you are using omniscience and omnipotence interchangably, for one thing
"the best way to find your believes is to live a certain way" why dont we have a philosophical conversation about what this statement could possibly say.. "find your beliefs"? as opposed to like.. choose ? test? evaluate? i hope u meant one of those. but how does "living a certain way" serve as a method of "finding" your beliefs..?? seriously living a certain way.. um. doesnt necessarily do anything. it depends on the way? it doesnt necessarily change any beliefs at all. its like saying "the best way to find out which car is best to buy is to buy cars a certain way", as far as i can tell ?? im sure u didnt mean that, but i dont see what u do mean. except that theres relativism and historical context that could provide support to arguments to trump the void.
"some things go a little deeper than theory"? in other words you dont like the answers any possible theories give you? you try to theorize but just reject?? ?
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On November 06 2004 17:50 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2004 17:35 Servolisk wrote:
Omniscience is conceptually impossible to begin with. There is simply far, far too much information and too many variables to be aware of. The calculations required would be infinite. The calculations could never be finished, because they have no finish.
if something has a definition it is not conceptually impossible.
I have only seen it's effects defined. The effects are easy to imagine ... Effects alone are not a definition, and I've never seen a definition of how it could work.
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he started it by making such a pointless response "that wasnt the point at all......"
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you know, forget my post
I posted it, played a game, came back and read it, and it doesn't really make sense
I'd say I'm done  pointless to try to explain something when you have a fever, I really sound like an idiot
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just for laughs-
when playing an omniscient player, what should you do?
macro or micro, fast expand, mass drops, what?
do you think there is no way winning this match, or there is a chance for a draw?
another thing. since he knows every move i make, maybe i can choose zerg, go mass overlords, place them all over the map, and thus seing every move HE makes. this is, in a way, artificial omniscience, but i dont know what is he going to do next, cause im not omniscient. BUT, i can expect, guess, sixthsence, his moves, and there is a chance that i guess all the time !!
oh man, it is gonna be some crazy micro night
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if you're considerably faster than him and are an extremely good player you'd still win
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On November 06 2004 18:35 travis wrote:
if you're considerably faster than him and are an extremely good player you'd still win
boxer > god at bw? !
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yes, you are right. 200 >> 20 apm, no matter what. im not even considering option that he never played sc, which would my win.. divine
just imagine, conquest of knowledge, the free will
but what if he is good - >100apm?
something on topic ->
omniscience doesnt affect free will. when you know what you are going to do, AND cant prevent that - thats not having free will.
hm... having said that, this scenarion comes into my mind. you kill somebody, admit it, you get prison. and you know that you are going to do to this, the first 2 things, and you cant prevent prison! there is no free will??
im not sure where im going with this...
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On November 06 2004 18:52 miniStar wrote:yes, you are right. 200 >> 20 apm, no matter what. im not even considering option that he never played sc, which would my win.. divine just imagine, conquest of knowledge, the free will but what if he is good - >100apm? something on topic -> omniscience doesnt affect free will. when you know what you are going to do, AND cant prevent that - thats not having free will. hm... having said that, this scenarion comes into my mind. you kill somebody, admit it, you get prison. and you know that you are going to do to this, the first 2 things, and you cant prevent prison! there is no free will?? im not sure where im going with this...
you sound like me, you're just going to get flamed because you aren't coming to the plate with any advanced mathematical theories here. but i see your point! but what you just said has been said 50 times in 48 different ways on this thread :o
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On November 06 2004 18:56 Kaotu wrote:you sound like me, you're just going to get flamed because you aren't coming to the plate with any advanced mathematical theories here. but i see your point! but what you just said has been said 50 times in 48 different ways on this thread :o
well, its hard to read through all 17 pages, but its interesting topic.
ok, here is the deal.
if YOU DECIDE to do it, its free will.
if someone tells you to do it, and you cant prevent it, but you try in every possible way to try to stop it from happening, there is no free will.
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On November 06 2004 13:41 travis wrote:
i dont think there is anything illogical about discussing it
and since no one else seems to get it, badteeth do you not understand what I am saying when I claim that omniscience does nothing to disprove free will? that you have to make an assumption to come to that conclusion?
I said:
Free will is the ability to choose without outside influences affecting the decision. Knowledge about the outcome of a decision is an outside influence, hence omniscience doesn't mingle well with free will.
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On November 06 2004 17:35 Servolisk wrote:
Omniscience is conceptually impossible to begin with. There is simply far, far too much information and too many variables to be aware of. The calculations required would be infinite. The calculations could never be finished, because they have no finish.
Yup. A part can not know the whole. That is why god either doesn't exist, or he is simply everything. Neither would be a very christian situation though.
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transcendentalism?? is that the thing about the oversoul??
on topic, i have a question about when people say "Can God make a stone so large the even He cannot carry it?" ... just kind of troubles me, i read some of the pages but skipped some, arn't you defining something like based on an unknown, since you do not know how much God can or cannot carry, it seems wrong to ask if such a rock can be created.. just my thoughts
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