Belief in an omnipotent pointless? - Page 8

On November 05 2004 10:03 BigBalls wrote:


I've never seen the rock argument. The one I saw was:

If god is omnipotent, he can create anything, even a being that is more powerful than him. But if he can do that, then he is not all powerful.

However, this too is false. To explain this, let me give you an example. Lets take two sets:

{0,1,2,3,4,....}. The set of positive integers and 0.
{0,2,4,6,8,....}. The set of even positive integers and 0.

The first set is clearly twice as large as the second set. However, it is easy to come up with a 1-1 and onto map from the second map to the first. Take each element of the second set and divide by 2, and we have the first set. How is it possible to have a 1-1 AND onto map from a set to a set that is twice its size?

This is because we are dealing with an infinite case. Since god's powerfulness is infinite, a larger degree of infinity is the same.

Short answer; the motion is completely deterministic, but not predictable
in the everyday, macroscopic sense. The more accurately you try to measure
momentum of the electron in transit, the less you will know about its position.

On November 05 2004 10:23 BigBalls wrote:



This statement is false

On November 05 2004 05:39 Keanu_Reaver wrote:
we discussed this before on aim, freak. i dont "discuss" religion here, i do as i please when i see a religious thread...whether its goading atheists or religious people into making asses of themselves or pointlessly spamming and picking apart random "facts"

why? because no one here is smart enough, learned enough, and most importantly; reasonable and open minded enough to warrant a fruitful discussion

On November 05 2004 10:43 SCFraser wrote:


You must have a pretty high opinion of yourself buddy, considering there are some brilliant minds on this forum.

On November 05 2004 05:57 Keanu_Reaver wrote:
oh, and one of these days when you actually take a class on philosophy, you'll realize that 98% of philosophers and books on philosophy are full of shit, that its necessary for them to be full of shit because of the nature of philosophy in itself. and thats when you'll realize that all this nonsense that they've spewed onto you that you recount in verbatim is just that, nonsense. and that coming up with your own philosophies is even worse.

until then, i'll let you guys toss around your deformed bastard children of philosophy until your arms get tired, and let you stomp all over and insult science all you want...take care!

On November 05 2004 10:54 Liquid`Drone wrote:
as for that whole 6000 years thing (I do believe a couple of forummembers believe this is the case), I didn't think about this before, but um, don't fucking STARS disprove this? there has been some ridiculous explanation to everything else, so I'm interested in this one.

or do christians not believe we're capable of seeing any stars further away than 6000 lightyears?