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I remember when I worked for Circuit City, we even charged $40 EACH to convert a VHS to a DVD, and all we did was stick in the VHS and blank DVD into a converter deck and push a button. It's just how technical repair works... since forever.
Didn't Circuit City go out of business? LOL. You from Richmond man? I assume you are because that was the CC-HQ. What's up man, you in the RVA?
The reasons used to be some software that could only run on Mac OS, and since that OS used to only run on Mac hardware, some people would naturally get a Mac.
Fair enough. But what about today?
I have a MacBookPro for work, and an alienware m11x I bought for me
No offense, but you talk about how dumb college kids are for buying expensive macs just to be unique, and then you bought an Alienware?
cool pic though, its funny and seems true. If anything I'm a 360 person.
TL:DR of this thread so far:
Why buy Mac OS when you can simply install good quality 'hackintosh on a PC?
Why buy Mac when you can simply use a Mac case for your custom built?
I think that buying a Mac is stupid when you can buy a PC, which is stupid when you can build a PC.
This discussion is only about Desktops. Laptops aren't customizable to the same level and MacBooks are priced more competitively, making the aesthetic more similar in price range.
My custom built is $350 (Athlon II X3 3.2ghz, GTX 460), so why buy a similar performing $3000 Mac:
http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC560LL/A?mco=MTg2OTUwMjQ
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I find the whole "virus" thing with Macs pretty laughable as well. I've been running my current PC that i built for $1100 for two years now. It still runs the newest games on extreme, maxed, ultra, whatever said game calls it. Haven't had a game yet not default me to max graphics. I have ZERO active virus protection that doesn't come with Windows 7. I have Malwarebytes that I keep updated, but for two solid years now, i have had zero viruses or malware. NONE.
I just "built" my PC on the Mac site........$4000. Seriously, $4,000. To be fair I added a monitor to it, and a mouse, and upgraded my processor, so lets say my entire setup cost me $1600 to be really fair.
$4k or $1.6k. Really?
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I don't use a Mac (in fact, I own no apple products other than a 2nd generation Nano that i purchased five years ago), and I used to think like a lot of the apple haters.
However, if you put things into perspective, Apples are not that expensive.
From what I see on the Mac store, only the 27" Mac is $2000. If you factor in the hardware, the OS, and especially the 27" LED monitor, it would cost you a lot more than $300 as you claim in your OP. Windows OS alone costs hundreds. You can also find special promotions fairly frequently, further bringing down the price. I'm not trying to change your bias, but you should compare things more objectively.
Here are the specs just for reference:
# 2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
# 4GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
# 1TB Serial ATA Drive
# 8x double-layer SuperDrive
# ATI Radeon HD 5750 1GB GDDR5 SDRAM
# Apple Wireless Keyboard (English) & User's Guide
# Magic Mouse
Also for Macbooks, a similarly spec'd IBM thinkpad (the only brand I trust) costs about the same as a Mac.
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Actually, the $2700 Mac doesn't come with a mouse, keyboard, or screen either. I've posted this already, but here it is again:
http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC560LL/A?mco=MTg2OTUwMjQ
I'm not trying to be biased at all, I know nothing, I'm just trying to figure this out. And at least read my post on the top of this page, it seems you aren't reading the posts.
So even if you add $100 for my freeware OS, that means the price difference, at best, is $2500 - $500 = $2k difference in price. Why dont we just throw a diamong ring into my setup, and so the price difference is only $1k! This is still huge, huge! Considering that this is more than 2x the price!
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yo yoyoyo so what i REALLY DONT GET IS why are designers and artists and whatever people artsy people always praising mac?
like what makes macs so much better for doing design related stuff lol
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On February 16 2011 00:59 Belial88 wrote:Show nested quote +I remember when I worked for Circuit City, we even charged $40 EACH to convert a VHS to a DVD, and all we did was stick in the VHS and blank DVD into a converter deck and push a button. It's just how technical repair works... since forever. Didn't Circuit City go out of business? LOL. You from Richmond man? I assume you are because that was the CC-HQ. What's up man, you in the RVA? Show nested quote +The reasons used to be some software that could only run on Mac OS, and since that OS used to only run on Mac hardware, some people would naturally get a Mac. Fair enough. But what about today? No offense, but you talk about how dumb college kids are for buying expensive macs just to be unique, and then you bought an Alienware? cool pic though, its funny and seems true. If anything I'm a 360 person. TL:DR of this thread so far:
Why buy Mac OS when you can simply install good quality 'hackintosh on a PC?
Why buy Mac when you can simply use a Mac case for your custom built?
I think that buying a Mac is stupid when you can buy a PC, which is stupid when you can build a PC.
This discussion is only about Desktops. Laptops aren't customizable to the same level and MacBooks are priced more competitively, making the aesthetic more similar in price range.
My custom built is $350 (Athlon II X3 3.2ghz, GTX 460), so why buy a similar performing $3000 Mac:
http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC560LL/A?mco=MTg2OTUwMjQ
find me another 11'' laptop with a 1gb graphics card please. alienware was my only option.
On February 16 2011 00:55 des wrote:Man this picture would look a lot better if he'd made it on a Mac :\
i did make it on my macbook pro... my m11x was at home at the time
for viruses, lets look at the market share
windows is the majority of the market, and so the majority of viruses are made to target them
apple has a smaller share, and so will see less viruses
as macs grow, they will get more
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i believe there are several mental and neurological illnesses that causes people to buy MAC's
edit: come to think of it, im gonna make a "MAC owner awareness ribbon"
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I'm waiting for the 11' mac pro back-to-school discount... =)
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On February 16 2011 02:35 alffla wrote:
yo yoyoyo so what i REALLY DONT GET IS why are designers and artists and whatever people artsy people always praising mac?
like what makes macs so much better for doing design related stuff lol
there used to be an advantage for owning macs because some image software were exclusively apple only
this advantage no longer exists (unless u count aperture, or whatever, which is not very good)
the conclusion i draw from this thread is that almost everyone agrees with OP, which is to say technologically somewhat saavy people all agree macs are stupid idea.
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I thought we established in my previous post that a similary spec'd Mac with your system is only $300 after OS and hardware you didnt list. ($900 for your system vs $1200 for the 21.5" iMac). I dont know why you keep insisting your system was $350 since it doesnt list screen, psu, OS, keyboard, mouse, optical drive, etc.
So why does everyone keep comparing $3000 (or some ridiculous number) with a $350 PC?
And yes, Circuit City did go out of business. I dont understand your point. Best Buy still charges the same. Smaller computer shops charge charge a tad bit less. Still, the point is youre going to be charged an arm and a leg no matter where you go for whatever system you have (PC, Mac, car, dishwasher, whatever) if you dont know how to do it yourself.
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[quotefind me another 11'' laptop with a 1gb graphics card please. alienware was my only option.[/quote]
You do realize a 10gb 5670 will never be as good as a 768mb gtx 460 right? And this blog isn't about laptops, we already established that Mac may be worthwhile for laptops. l2read.
Not many programs use more than 512mb of VRAM anyways. You may see 1-5fps increase by going from the 512 to 1GB version usually, while higher end model GPUs can change the FPS drastically. I'm sure it's your extensive computer knowledge that lead you to buy the alienware though.
End of discussion. This thread isn't about laptops.
i did make it on my macbook pro... my m11x was at home at the time
He was joking. Fail at sarcasm.
for viruses, lets look at the market share
windows is the majority of the market, and so the majority of viruses are made to target them
apple has a smaller share, and so will see less viruses
as macs grow, they will get more
That sounds so smart. "Windows makes the best computers, so lets use shitty ones because then no one will be retarded enough to make a virus for it!" Ignoring the security features of the new Windows 7/Vista 64 bit, and ignoring the fact that Microsoft Security Essentials, which is free and can be put on Mac or any PC, is arguably the best antivirus out right now, you're computer is 'vulnerable' to viruses no matter what the OS is, unless you have an antivirus, firewall, and malware protection.
Or, you could not fap-fap-fap and download torrents and sketchy emails and downloads. But i guess Mac users wouldn't know that, and you certainly wouldn't know that if you actually think Alienware is worth buying. You do realize that an Alienware is just a Dell with a GPU, and a crappy, bottlenecking one at that right?
And a smaller company with less resources will have less ability to address new security threats to a large company with the resources to deal with them proactively.
That reasoning just sounds so dumb. You intentionally buy a crappy/overpriced computer so you don't have to get a virus? You do realize you can just format your computer and get rid of viruses right? And how many times have viruses been a problem on your 'unsafe' alienware? Good thing you have the mac because your alienware has so many viruses right?
Good job being fooled by advertising. There are millions of viruses out there, and millions for Mac too. The problem is the ONE virus that gets by, that's ahead of today's security suites, that you got by being a dumbass and opening a sketchy program.
I thought we established in my previous post that a similary spec'd Mac with your system is only $300 after OS and hardware you didnt list. ($900 for your system vs $1200 for the 21.5" iMac). I dont know why you keep insisting your system was $350 since it doesnt list screen, psu, OS, keyboard, mouse, optical drive, etc.
We also established that the $2,700 MacPro does not come with peripherals or a screen either. Furthermore, I got my OS for free - if you want to say pirating is invalid, well, you're wrong, because the reality is that I got my Windows 7 Ultimate for free. BUT - for arguments sake, if pirating is out of bounds for most people, we'll say I'm running Ubuntu or similar freeware. Google also has a free operating system, Chromium, that you can get for free, that should be amazing.
And quit saying $1200, go to the website. It's $2600 for a desktop at best, for the same specs as my computer:
http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC560LL/A?mco=MTg2OTUwMjQ
And yes, Circuit City did go out of business. I dont understand your point.
my point is that what you claim what 'everyone does' may be faulty (not to mention horrible logic) because that company went out of business. I'm sure that was a great business model, overcharging people to convert VHS to DVD. I'm sure it has nothing to do with why they went out of business.
Still, the point is youre going to be charged an arm and a leg no matter where you go for whatever system you have (PC, Mac, car, dishwasher, whatever) if you dont know how to do it yourself.
A lot of PC's come with great warranties, something that Mac has a mixed reputation for. If you built your computer, usually places like Newegg, amazon, or the company itself like MSI or AMD offer great warranties. I've gone to bestbuy and had my laptop fixed many times when I knew nothing, because of my warranty. But I get your point - the point is that because it's an arm and a leg for everything, it doesnt swing the favor towards mac or pc either way.
TL;DR
- Laptops are not what we are talking about, and much different.
- The first person to actually claim Mac is better, bought an Alienware.
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Look, I'm not here to say Mac sucks. That's not my argument, Mac could very well be better than PC in every way. My point is why buy a Mac when you can get a simliarly spec'd PC for so much cheaper, or a custom built one for so much cheaper (and for that reason I think buying a prebuilt at all is stupid), and when all the great Mac programs are now able to be put on PC, and the fact you can simply install a rig in a Mac case. There used to be reason to get Mac, but today, there is none.
And I'm not even talking about Microsoft. Linux, is completely customizable (see Macbuntu). Now I realize time may be an issue, in which case Mac people need to admit: you would rather pay thousands, literally thousands, of extra dollars to use a simple computer tailormade for you rather than spend a day learning more knowledge. You would rather someone else did it for you, blow the loads of money you have, and not be bothered.
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I got a 2008 macbook pro for free (I also recently spent about $700 building a desktop for myself). I enjoy using the mac, the interface is very friendly and if you don't really know much about computers its great. But, I will say, if I had to actually pay for a laptop I would probably never get a mac, unless I got some kind of insane discount. Yeah they look cool, and I guess they're the "hip" thing to have, but in terms of performance for the same price you could get a non-mac laptop thats almost twice as fast.
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I want quality in a notebook. If you factor in quality - macs are cheaper than their PC counterparts. The HP envy series suffers from terribad screens. The VAIOs (that are comparable in quality) cost even more than macs. The DELLs are a complete mess and the rest are just a heap of squeaky plastic and overheating parts.
For a portable system i'll always choose mac over PC. For a stationary one i'll always choose PC, much for the joy of assembling & clocking it myself.
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laptop wise, alot of people like mac because it's very comfortable and stylish. apple works very hard to ensure that their products are "in style" and because of that, they can raise prices on their shit. The mac laptop has alot of benefits that other laptops can't compare to, like how safe it is. While it is often criticized as being so safe that it's hard to customize anything, mac does have a sexy-ish kind of gui. also, the mac is known to have a long-assed battery life. I was once in a hackathon with my friends ( I have a MSI laptop and he has a macbook) i had to recharge my battery like, 2/3 times before he did it once. also, the macbook is very sturdy, that means if you drop it, it's pretty much like a rock. So in terms of regular day uses, mac is pretty much ideal for a regular person who just needs their laptop to behave like a laptop.
To sum up... mac has very good build quality, looks very good, and mac OS X which we will get to later.
Application wise... the mac laptop and macs are good with mac applications, very good with them in fact. And mac has a bunch of very nice applications built in like adobe suite and windows office all work well. Also, mac can run alot of linux programs and since they're all open-sourced, it's alot more convenient. To a general user tho, mac won't crash on their applications and since the average user wants their laptop to behave like it's just a tool, no complications, that it's quite a bonus.
However, I know some programmers say, "Ohhhh, but you can't customize a mac and it's so slow" This isn't true. As a matter of fact, in terms of programming, the window OS is by far the worst, linux and mac osx are way better. And another point for mac is that the MAC osx is the only truly stable linux gui. That might sound confusing but here's some background info the mac osx is kinda a bsd-derivative. based off the bsd project. and mac is from the mac-5 project, dawn win or soemthing like that. bsd is a type of unix, berkley software distrubution. basically, linux is bsd. and linux is the standard for programmers because well... all the companies love it. if you know command line, u can put that on ur resume and it rlly stands out against some1 who has only used windows interface.
(I'm a software engineer so i know more about programming)
Another annoying thing about windows is that to program, you have to download a bunch of IDEs and it becomes kinda heavy and lags the system. For example, i have like, 11 IDEs. and it's so annoying cuz sometimes i wanna run a java back-end to a perl front-end and it takes alot of time to set-up... and i dont' wanna use those ultra heavy ides like eclipse that does all the project management shit for you... I'm gna switch to linux asap hehehe, it's soooo much better because u got vim and emac and that's pretty much all you need ^^
Okay... on the contra-side... mac OSX's seriously suck for gaming. They don't work well with graphics cards and it's hard to customize your graphics card anyways.  even linux is better at gaming. to game on a mac, you want to put windows os onto the mac ><.
Anyways.... in general, macs aren't as shitty as ppl think they are. they're just expensive as hell. But they are stable like crazy and rarely crashes. But it's rather silly to compare since you can run the same applications on both macs and pcs and also, alot of linux software have mac counterparts  Oh... one of the reasons you would like windows is because you can customize the build and i suppose that's why alot of people admire it...
I'm not a hardware person, just software and they're pretty much the same, if you're a programmer, seriously go for linux.
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On February 16 2011 00:59 Belial88 wrote:TL:DR of this thread so far:
Why buy Mac OS when you can simply install good quality 'hackintosh on a PC?
Why buy Mac when you can simply use a Mac case for your custom built?
I think that buying a Mac is stupid when you can buy a PC, which is stupid when you can build a PC.
This discussion is only about Desktops. Laptops aren't customizable to the same level and MacBooks are priced more competitively, making the aesthetic more similar in price range.
My custom built is $350 (Athlon II X3 3.2ghz, GTX 460), so why buy a similar performing $3000 Mac:
http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC560LL/A?mco=MTg2OTUwMjQ
Okay, let's see here:
You cannot easily install good quality hackintosh on a PC.
All your other points can be answered, simply: people DO NOT buy Mac Pros. Those are by far the smallest percentage of Macs sold, in the consumer market at least. You asked in the OP "Why would people buy a Mac?" People buy a Mac when they're looking for a laptop or a nice all-in-one. People do not buy a Mac Pro as a desktop; the only reason anyone buys a desktop anymore is for gaming, high-performance computing, or really cheap computing. So when people "buy Macs," they are not looking for one of those things. When you limit the discussion to only desktops, there is little reason to buy a Mac at all, but you're then ignoring 95% of Macs sold.
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Wow. The guy who wrote that is CLUELESS.
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On February 16 2011 05:37 Thrill wrote:
The HP envy series suffers from terribad screens.
what
The radiance displays were some of the best. They don't offer them any more, but I suspect you don't know what you're talking about if you think they were "terribad". The area that the Macbook clearly beats out the Envy series is the touchpad, no doubt about it.
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