EPTAlso, Belial88, ctrl+mouse wheel on the OS X works as a loupe, magnifying the entire screen. It doesn't just increase the size of the typeface or the size of the icons.
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Also, Belial88, ctrl+mouse wheel on the OS X works as a loupe, magnifying the entire screen. It doesn't just increase the size of the typeface or the size of the icons. | ||
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VManOfMana
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On February 15 2011 14:53 Belial88 wrote: ... right. I would think TL then, is the most objective place to ask. I mean you're buying a computer, not a fucking picture frame. Function is the complete point of a PC. It's not even like a car where other people can see it - and if you did want to, you can customize a case. Buy PC parts, and them customize a case with the extra $2700 you have. As to your point about every processor since the 90s being just so awesome, then why not just buy a $10 computer from the 90's than a $3000 mac? Hell I'm sure you could get an old PC for free. And I hardly doubt most Mac users are first-time computer buyers (wait... maybe they are). And how is building a desktop a waste of money? Unless you are Bill Gates, who can't afford to pick up a $100 bill because your time is worth so much, building a desktop is your only choice. You haven't really given any objective reasons why Mac is better than saying "well every computer is awesome these days so you might as well blow $3000 for something that looks cool and performs worse, because after all performance doesn't matter". Again, my point is not that Macs or PCs or Windows or Linux is better or worse - Mac may very well be the best. What I don't understand is why can't people buy a Mac case if you like them for aesthetics, or just install Mac OS if you like their OS. Hell, you could even build a PC, and then buy a Mac GPU because of... whatever reason. This is the part that better exemplifies why you don't get it. Your mindset is that a computer is a bunch of parts put together and an OS installed on top. The Mac is the antithesis of your mindset, where you treat the whole machine as an integrated solution. Function is more than just a feature check list, but also how the functionality is implemented. A PC is not a picture frame, but why not? A picture frame is something you get out of its box and is ready to do its job. You don't need to care for the specifications, or how it was put together, as long as it does its job as expected, comfortably, no hassle, and why not, look good in the process. Cars are the same. With a good car all you do is turn a key and the car works, and with some good care and minimal maintenance it can last you a long time. Magic. That is the "magic" that Apple can pull off, and why non-hardware oriented people are attracted to their computers (including myself). If you can digest the idea that MacOS X and Apple's hardware are an integrated solution, and add value to each other, it will be a lot easier to understand. Something like "I prefer a comfortable machine that just feels good" is not something that you can easily put together on a budget. Is it possible? Yes. But having to deal with the hassle to get everything together or wait for someone else to do it is already against the idea of "comfortable". | ||
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topspinserve
United States147 Posts
On February 15 2011 15:22 Belial88 wrote: So let me be clear: This isn't an argument about whether Mac vs MS. It's about why buy a Mac, when you can install the MacOS on any computer, and you can build any computer you want and use a Mac case? I don't understand why you think that the average person can build their own computer. Even if they for some reason want a desktop instead of a laptop, desktops are still a hassle to put together. Yes, the parts fit together nicely, but I'm sure most people don't want to worry about misinstalling or frying their $100 components, or the hassle of clean-installing drivers and an OS. Also, your supposition that you can install OSX on any PC is flawed; Apple has virtually no hardware support beyond what it puts into its own Mac computer builds, and you need to mess with the hackintosh version to run OSX if somehow your hardware is magically capable. | ||
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Fir3fly
Australia251 Posts
Apple "Mac" computers are decent in their build quality, run well, nice features in the OS, etc etc etc. HOWEVER. they do overcharge quite a bit for their computers. some argue that you're paying for the design or the OS, which is absolute shit, your paying because they're greedy corporate idiots. ( /neckbeard) like what has apparently already been said (didnt fully read). they LOVE playing the monopoly game. "you must get an iPod so you can fit in and be cool" "to use that, you can ONLY EVER use itunes" (theres ways around this ofcourse, etc). "to connect it to itunes, YOU MUST ONLY use OUR iPod cables" "YOU cannot TOUCH the insides of your computer, EVEN IF you know what you're doing" - its not quality control, its not "better and faster" to use their cables, its monopoly. monopoly + their advertising campaign = brutally effective. and in my opinion, wrong. they even held a conference once (i think it was for the iphone 4) which they streamed on the net; ONLY PEOPLE WITH IPHONES OR MACS could watch it. thats the main issue i have with apple, they're the technological totalitarism government that will take away people who speak against the fuhrer Jobs. even if they werent like that. i still wouldnt buy from/support them. they charge too much and bend the truth too much. and i know my way around computers, so i can build a pc thats 2x better for 1/2 the price of their macs. also: about linux. linux is a great KERNEL, im willing to bet the people who have "tried linux" have pretty much only tried ubuntu or only one linux distro. the great thing about linux is that EVERYTHING can be swapped out, replaced, changed, edited, and tweaked to how you want it. i could get linux and make it EXACTLY like OSX. most people dont know enough about it, so they stick to the defaults of ubuntu / slackware / mint / etc. so then it just ends up like OSX and windows, people dont realise that instead of going "OSX has blah, i should install that instead" they could just install blah (or similar) in linux" that being said, its obvious im a raging neckbeard. take of it what you will [EDIT: lol ranting a bit off topic, also, this thread is hilarious, ignorance is bliss. ] | ||
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Enervate
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On February 15 2011 15:22 Belial88 wrote: I never said Mac sucked. So my question to you, good sir, is why don't people just build their own computers / buy prebuilt (ew) and just install Mac OS on them? It is becoming more and more clear to me, that the answer is either A)Free because of job/present/school/etc or B)too ignorant to realize how much more expensive Mac is, that you can install Mac onto a PC, and C) they don't realize how easy it is to build a computer. And isn't the whole reason your Mac is so 'great' at movie programs is because it comes with a GPU, while many prebuilt PC's sold don't have a GPU in them? The solution being, gasp, buy a $50 gpu! And can't you simply find a similar program? I know Windows media player and music player are complete shit, but I also know there are programs much better than itunes and their respective media programs as well. And that I could install those media programs on my computer if I wanted to. So let me be clear: This isn't an argument about whether Mac vs MS. It's about why buy a Mac, when you can install the MacOS on any computer, and you can build any computer you want and use a Mac case? Have you even considered what you're saying? First of all, the most common mac desktop is the imac which is an all-in-one, so it makes no sense to build it yourself. The mac pros are the "desktops" that are arguably overpriced, but there is absolutely no way a $350 setup can compete with a mac pro. $1000 is being generous. About installing the Mac OS on a PC, it's the same reason why some people pay for their movies and music while other people pirate it. I'll cover the Macbook Pro while I'm at it. I think it is overpriced, but there is no other laptop that can do everything it does for cheaper. All cheaper laptops will either be better or equal to it in a certain area and worse in another. When people buy a mac, it's the whole package that they want. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
Havent tried using mac, though all my friends who have one say its pretty comfortable and easy...but i dont understand why someone would need it easier in exchange for less functionality and higher price... | ||
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Fir3fly
Australia251 Posts
god dammit im even too slow to double post. On February 15 2011 15:33 topspinserve wrote: I don't understand why you think that the average person can build their own computer. Even if they for some reason want a desktop instead of a laptop, desktops are still a hassle to put together. Yes, the parts fit together nicely, but I'm sure most people don't want to worry about misinstalling or frying their $100 components, or the hassle of clean-installing drivers and an OS. ... Pay someone $50 who knows what they're doing to do it for you. or google it, it is HONESTLY not that hard or risky. just dont wear socks / do it on carpet, and read the manuals. On February 15 2011 15:33 topspinserve wrote: ... Apple has virtually no hardware support beyond what it puts into its own Mac computer builds, and you need to mess with the hackintosh version to run OSX if somehow your hardware is magically capable. well i guess that justifies an extra $2700 for an OSX that does nothing special. and dont give me "no viruses" "no crashes" "just werks" etc. i havent had a virus on windows for the past 4-5 years, all you need is common sense. and crashes /etc, less of a problem in windows7, even less of a problem in linux :3 it you want an OS like OSX without paying $2700 for it, get Mint or something. | ||
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Belial88
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It's not as easy to put OS X on a PC as you make it out to be, and lots of people dislike piracy (not judging you at all, just saying). Sure, it was easy for you to learn how to build a computer, but a high powered lawyer or surgeon doesn't have time to learn how to use the command line or a kalyway torrent to get OS X going, assuming the hardware will even work with the hacked EFI. If you make enough money, it's easy to justify paying extra to having something working perfectly out of the box, and Apple does that better than any PC maker by a longshot. And how exactly are you going to get that "cool mac look" if you need a laptop, which is by far what people are buying these days? Personally, I could care less what it says about me when people see the shiny Mac logo. I'm not trying to impress anyone, and actually I'm hoping people will leave me alone so I can get some work done Yea, I already came to the conclusion that: a) Laptops are a completely different animal since you can't build them. If it's worth the price for looks, go for Mac. b)If you make so much money you can't be bothered with learning, buy a PC. Buying a Mac means you're so rich you can't be bothered to learn that PC is much better for the same price, or cheaper for same performance. And if you don't like piracy, can't you just buy a Mac OS to put on? The Mac is the antithesis of your mindset, where you treat the whole machine as an integrated solution. I'm aware of this. If you can digest the idea that MacOS X and Apple's hardware are an integrated solution, and add value to each other, it will be a lot easier to understand. Something like "I prefer a comfortable machine that just feels good" is not something that you can easily put together on a budget. Is it possible? Yes. But having to deal with the hassle to get everything together or wait for someone else to do it is already against the idea of "comfortable". The Price premium is just ridiculous though. You realize you're talking about a $2700 difference for the same performance with a custom built, and about $2300 from a prebuilt right? I mean with houses, or cars, that's not that big a deal. But with a PC, where you are talking about almost 10x the price, that's a pretty big deal. I don't understand why you think that the average person can build their own computer. Even if they for some reason want a desktop instead of a laptop, desktops are still a hassle to put together. Yes, the parts fit together nicely, but I'm sure most people don't want to worry about misinstalling or frying their $100 components, or the hassle of clean-installing drivers and an OS I'm the average person - I've taken zero computer classes, I didn't even know what a PSU was a month ago, I didn't know what the difference between RAM memory and HDD memory was. And it took about a day to figure out how to put together a computer. It took me a week to figure out what to buy, but that was only because my budget was $425 - as in if I spent $425, it meant I would have zero dollars for my cigarette addiction and for food and rent for my girlfriend and myself for however long until I got back to work. I also said you could simply have someone build the PC for you, like a PC shop, and save a ton of money while paying about $100 for assembly, or you could even go prebuilt. Also, your supposition that you can install OSX on any PC is flawed; Apple has virtually no hardware support beyond what it puts into its own Mac computer builds, and you need to mess with the hackintosh version to run OSX if somehow your hardware is magically capable. Right... but I'd rather be paid $2300 and deal with annoying hackintosh problems than not. And I'm sure most people would agree. I think the problem is that most people don't realize this. And the idea that PC's are just miserable, is ridiculous. I've never had problems with PCs, no freezes, no lockups, no driver issues, ever in my life. And I knew zip about computers. And while many people may not like dealing with these issues, I would think most people would just suck it up and keep the extra THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN DOLLARS! Hm... deal with annoying driver issues and have to take my PC to Best Buy Geek Squad? Or GO TO SPANISH BEACHES AND HIT THAT SHIT UP YEAA! Jeez, tough choice! Apple "Mac" computers are decent in their build quality, run well, nice features in the OS, etc etc etc. I get that Mac is awesome, the problem is that any $3000 computer is awesome. OT discussion to 'neckbeard'+ Show Spoiler + about linux. linux is a great KERNEL, im willing to bet the people who have "tried linux" have pretty much only tried ubuntu or only one linux distro. the great thing about linux is that EVERYTHING can be swapped out, replaced, changed, edited, and tweaked to how you want it. i could get linux and make it EXACTLY like OSX. most people dont know enough about it, so they stick to the defaults of ubuntu / slackware / mint / etc. so then it just ends up like OSX and windows, people dont realise that instead of going "OSX has blah, i should install that instead" they could just install blah (or similar) in linux" Just a question, what should someone with Linux run? My girlfriend uses Ubuntu and I've used it. I didn't care for it, and Windows has been fine by me. I understand the idea of knowledge to improve things, but it seems like too much to learn Ubuntu (think Rainmeter). I wouldn't mind learning it if I knew it was that much better. Google is a giant oddball in this business. Not anymore. | ||
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
On February 15 2011 15:43 Fir3fly wrote: didnt see page 2 but i get the general gist of it. Apple "Mac" computers are decent in their build quality, run well, nice features in the OS, etc etc etc. HOWEVER. they do overcharge quite a bit for their computers. some argue that you're paying for the design or the OS, which is absolute shit, your paying because they're greedy corporate idiots. ( /neckbeard) like what has apparently already been said (didnt fully read). they LOVE playing the monopoly game. "you must get an iPod so you can fit in and be cool" "to use that, you can ONLY EVER use itunes" (theres ways around this ofcourse, etc). "to connect it to itunes, YOU MUST ONLY use OUR iPod cables" "YOU cannot TOUCH the insides of your computer, EVEN IF you know what you're doing" - its not quality control, its not "better and faster" to use their cables, its monopoly. monopoly + their advertising campaign = brutally effective. and in my opinion, wrong. they even held a conference once (i think it was for the iphone 4) which they streamed on the net; ONLY PEOPLE WITH IPHONES OR MACS could watch it. thats the main issue i have with apple, they're the technological totalitarism government that will take away people who speak against the fuhrer Jobs. even if they werent like that. i still wouldnt buy from/support them. they charge too much and bend the truth too much. and i know my way around computers, so i can build a pc thats 2x better for 1/2 the price of their macs. You don't really remember the days of Microsoft totalitarianism, do you? Once upon a time you basically had no option than to get a Windows computer unless you build your own. MacOS was primitive back then (pre-Jobs return) so it was not really an option. Microsoft literally held the hardware companies by the balls. Afterall, they did get convicted for illegally using monopoly power. Really, the current computer/OS situation is a blessing. Say what you want about Apple's closed garden. At least they are not interested in telling the other manufacturers what to do with their systems. Nowadays you actually have a choice in part thanks to Apple, not despite them. also: about linux. linux is a great KERNEL, im willing to bet the people who have "tried linux" have pretty much only tried ubuntu or only one linux distro. the great thing about linux is that EVERYTHING can be swapped out, replaced, changed, edited, and tweaked to how you want it. i could get linux and make it EXACTLY like OSX. most people dont know enough about it, so they stick to the defaults of ubuntu / slackware / mint / etc. so then it just ends up like OSX and windows, people dont realise that instead of going "OSX has blah, i should install that instead" they could just install blah (or similar) in linux" that being said, its obvious im a raging neckbeard. take of it what you will The great thing about Linux is also what kills it adoption. Why should I swap, replace, change, edit and tweak to have a useable system? How come Apple managed to be the first to have a good user interface for a UNIX-like operating system? (Mac OSX is based on BSD) | ||
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United States860 Posts
On February 15 2011 15:43 Fir3fly wrote:+ Show Spoiler + didnt see page 2 but i get the general gist of it. Apple "Mac" computers are decent in their build quality, run well, nice features in the OS, etc etc etc. HOWEVER. they do overcharge quite a bit for their computers. some argue that you're paying for the design or the OS, which is absolute shit, your paying because they're greedy corporate idiots. ( /neckbeard) like what has apparently already been said (didnt fully read). they LOVE playing the monopoly game. "you must get an iPod so you can fit in and be cool" "to use that, you can ONLY EVER use itunes" (theres ways around this ofcourse, etc). "to connect it to itunes, YOU MUST ONLY use OUR iPod cables" "YOU cannot TOUCH the insides of your computer, EVEN IF you know what you're doing" - its not quality control, its not "better and faster" to use their cables, its monopoly. monopoly + their advertising campaign = brutally effective. and in my opinion, wrong. they even held a conference once (i think it was for the iphone 4) which they streamed on the net; ONLY PEOPLE WITH IPHONES OR MACS could watch it. thats the main issue i have with apple, they're the technological totalitarism government that will take away people who speak against the fuhrer Jobs. even if they werent like that. i still wouldnt buy from/support them. they charge too much and bend the truth too much. and i know my way around computers, so i can build a pc thats 2x better for 1/2 the price of their macs. also: about linux. linux is a great KERNEL, im willing to bet the people who have "tried linux" have pretty much only tried ubuntu or only one linux distro. the great thing about linux is that EVERYTHING can be swapped out, replaced, changed, edited, and tweaked to how you want it. i could get linux and make it EXACTLY like OSX. most people dont know enough about it, so they stick to the defaults of ubuntu / slackware / mint / etc. so then it just ends up like OSX and windows, people dont realise that instead of going "OSX has blah, i should install that instead" they could just install blah (or similar) in linux" that being said, its obvious im a raging neckbeard. take of it what you will [EDIT: lol ranting a bit off topic, also, this thread is hilarious, ignorance is bliss. ] Lol, neckbeard is a new one to me, I had to look it up. From Urban Dictionary: neckbeard Talkative, self-important nerdy men (usually age 30 and up) who, through an inability to properly decode social cues, mistake others' strained tolerance of their blather for evidence of their own charm. Hahaha, we've all been the neckbeard at some point, and threads like this seem to attract a lot of them. | ||
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Australia251 Posts
MacOS X and Apple's hardware are an integrated solution, my Gentoo Kernel is fully trimmed down and tailored to my computer specs and design, they were built for each other by me, its like a love story. OSX is not "intergrated" into the hardware, they just cut out 70% of the drivers and supporting software out of their kernels and then just make sure they dont have that hardware in their computers. its nothing special. Belial88 : + Show Spoiler + if windows is fine for you, use windows, if you want to change and learn linux, switch over. (you can always dual boot). as for "what they should run" its really down to preference and how much you're willing to learn. i started out with Arch Linux because it has AWESOME documentation and help for everything, and its practically diving in heads first as you have to set EVERYTHING up yourself (as in, when you install it, you get a terminal and thats it). but if you dont want to dive in that far, you could just try out all the different distros to see what you like as defaults and work on that. i liked Linux Mint cause it looks pretty nice as default. if you want to change anything or etc, just google it.. if theres ANYTHING by default that you dont like, change it. google is your friend in terms of linux. | ||
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On February 15 2011 16:03 VManOfMana wrote: The great thing about Linux is also what kills it adoption. Why should I swap, replace, change, edit and tweak to have a useable system? How come Apple managed to be the first to have a good user interface for a UNIX-like operating system? (Mac OSX is based on BSD) You don't need to do any of those things. It's not like it's hard for the mere purpose of being hard (although a lot of people seem to like that). It allows you to do those things to ultimately get yourself the OS that fits your very precise needs but any flavor of Unix is already a working system. It's kind of like the reason Unix resisted graphical interfaces for so many years, they were seen as an impediment, a burden, doing things by keyboard was much faster (still is for many things). The power of Unix is that it allows you to do whatever you want, in a very efficient way. So yeah it's mostly intended for developers. But.. Ubuntu is the kind of Linux that is easy for newbies, it's made for that purpose, you don't need to know anything more than the usual Windows or Mac user. Sometimes it's even more practical, as an example, take the synaptic package manager -- you don't even need to surf the web to find an application that not only fits your needs, but is also compatible with your OS and passes a number of different criteria, such as popularity, good reviews, etc. Ubuntu is also already bundled with a lot of useful applications, probably more than what your regular highschool kid even needs. | ||
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jacosajh
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Athlon II X3 3.2Ghz Rana Biostar ATX a770e3 MoBo 4GB Ram WD 160 GB 7200 RPM 8mb Sata HDD NZXT Gamma Case MSI GTX 460 768mb Twin Frozr Cooling Cheapest Mac - iMac 21.5" - $1200 Core i3 3.06 GhZ 4GB RAM 500GB HDD HD 4670 VGA 1. I see your build as $400 on Newegg. This is what I'm going with since rebates/sales come and go. 2. Since some of the items in both systems are better/worse, I'm not gonna nitpick... but... 3. I also don't see an operating system ($200), power supply ($50), and dvd drive ($20). 4. An equivalent HDD would also be about another $20. 5. The Mac comes with a screen ($150). 6. The Mac comes with a wireless keyboard/mouse ($70 - I'll be generous even though I believe the Mac keyboard/mouse would actually be around $100 equivalent). So really, your "equivalent" system is $900. Okay, it's still cheaper than $1200. But that's hardly as gross as the pricing difference you were implying with $2500 vs $350. $300 difference? Some people would NOT mind spending that extra cash for the "Apple design." Even more, as some people here have even described, there's a certain peace of mind that they are willing to pay for when it comes to their Macs. If you want to hate on Macs, you can similarly hate on Sonys for being overpriced for their "design" and brand name. Except Macs aren't overbloated with crapware like Sonys. | ||
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Australia251 Posts
On February 15 2011 16:03 VManOfMana wrote: You don't really remember the days of Microsoft totalitarianism, do you? Once upon a time you basically had no option than to get a Windows computer unless you build your own. MacOS was primitive back then (pre-Jobs return) so it was not really an option. Microsoft literally held the hardware companies by the balls. Afterall, they did get convicted for illegally using monopoly power. i actually dont, i missed out on alot of that cause i was (still am) a youngling and my mum was a computer nazi  .The great thing about Linux is also what kills it adoption. Why should I swap, replace, change, edit and tweak to have a useable system? How come Apple managed to be the first to have a good user interface for a UNIX-like operating system? (Mac OSX is based on BSD) " Why should I swap" - because its not included by default, bar some laptops started to. "change, edit and tweak to have a useable system?" - uhh.. what? you dont have to touch a thing in linux mint and it "just werks" "How come Apple managed to be the first to have a good user interface for a UNIX-like operating system?" because back in the day (from what i've read) they were a great company that were interested in exploring new frontiers of technology, and they improved upon the Xerox GUI Systems, technically, Xerox was first, but apple made it better. | ||
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topspinserve
United States147 Posts
On February 15 2011 16:00 Fir3fly wrote: god dammit im even too slow to double post. Pay someone $50 who knows what they're doing to do it for you. or google it, it is HONESTLY not that hard or risky. just dont wear socks / do it on carpet, and read the manuals. I know just as well as you that it's not that hard or risky, but what makes you think that all these people buying a computer want to go through this ridiculous amount of trouble. Assume that they somehow managed to find a person to do "it" for them for $50, where "it" is researching the parts, buying them, then assembling them. The alternative would be to spend a few days finding the right parts, learning how to assemble the parts by themselves, then finally ordering and putting together these parts. Assume that there were no problems such as faulty parts that needed to be RMAed, installation problems such as RAM not being inserted properly, or some BIOS issue that prevents installation of the OS (which takes enough time as it is). At this point, they will have a working computer. Now what? When their computer fails in a few months or they have some other issue they want to ask somebody out, what do they do? Wouldn't it be nice if there were some place that was experienced with talking to people that don't understand computers well and fixes most of your problems for free? well i guess that justifies an extra $2700 for an OSX that does nothing special. and dont give me "no viruses" "no crashes" "just werks" etc. i havent had a virus on windows for the past 4-5 years, all you need is common sense. and crashes /etc, less of a problem in windows7, even less of a problem in linux :3 it you want an OS like OSX without paying $2700 for it, get Mint or something. I honestly have no idea where you're getting $2700 from. The prices for iMacs max out at $2000 and MacBook Pros max at $2300 for a really well-speced 17-inch that almost no one buys anyway. Also, I think you're overestimating the understanding of how well the average user understands their computer. You can say you were able to avoid viruses, but remember: you're in the top 5% of computer understanding. You don't just need common sense, you need an understanding of what to do/how to do things on the internet, what suspicious-looking things to avoid, and what to do if you encounter something that is suspicious. Linux would solve this problem, but it's also the worst nightmare of someone just trying to get the things they want to do done. The average computer-user with their iPod and camera, MS-word doc-writing ways trying to get things done in Linux would most likely result in a camera or iPod thrown against a wall. On February 15 2011 16:02 Belial88 wrote: Right... but I'd rather be paid $2300 and deal with annoying hackintosh problems than not. And I'm sure most people would agree. I think the problem is that most people don't realize this. And the idea that PC's are just miserable, is ridiculous. I've never had problems with PCs, no freezes, no lockups, no driver issues, ever in my life. And I knew zip about computers. And while many people may not like dealing with these issues, I would think most people would just suck it up and keep the extra THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN DOLLARS! Hm... deal with annoying driver issues and have to take my PC to Best Buy Geek Squad? Or GO TO SPANISH BEACHES AND HIT THAT SHIT UP YEAA! Jeez, tough choice! Arguments are better when you exaggerate monetary amounts eight-fold. Gaming PC: PC custom- $500 Store-bought PC- $800 Mac- N/A Really cheap laptop: PC: $300 Mac: N/A Decent Laptop: PC: $700 Mac: $1000 All-in-one: PC: $1000 Mac: $1200: I'm not sure which category you're arguing about here. The purposes of Macs and PCs really only overlap in the laptop and all-in-one markets; Mac Pros are for video processing/designing and the like. The cost differences in the comparable categories are considerably less, and can be justified with the ease of use and overall build quality of Macs, for many people. Most people do not have the ability and/or willingness to go through the trouble of running their own hackintosh, in addition to the questionable legality of it. As to your argument that PCs usually run fine. Yes, of course they do, but Macs just offer a greater amount of peace of mind that man people aren't afraid to pay a little extra for. Macs don't cater to the low end of the market. | ||
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Australia251 Posts
On February 15 2011 16:22 jacosajh wrote:.. ... 3. I also don't see an operating system ($200) ... *buying operating systems* HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE how do you know he couldnt of just bought OSX ($30) or linux (free) or + Show Spoiler + pirated. seeming its incredibly easy + Show Spoiler + dont say viruses. ima slap you. $300 difference? Some people would NOT mind spending that extra cash for the "Apple design." thisiswhatyoureallybelieve.png apples design policy is : "LETS MAKE EVERYTHING ONE PIECE OF METAL AND IT ALL LOOKS THE SAME". or you could spend $300 on ANYTHING that would be better. for instance this sexy beast. and rice it out HOWEVER YOU LIKE. Even more, as some people here have even described, there's a certain peace of mind that they are willing to pay for when it comes to their Macs. If you want to hate on Macs, you can similarly hate on Sonys for being overpriced for their "design" and brand name. Except Macs aren't overbloated with crapware like Sonys. this "peace of mind" is apple's ads and crap going "well we dont get viruses and we never crash. so you never have to worry again." - your not buying it cause you KNOW it does better. your buying it cause you dont know any better. and ive never seen a sony computer, even if i did, i would format it right away like every prebuilt that i go near. so much crap on them. (i would consider iTunes and Safari bloated and crap) | ||
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
On February 15 2011 16:17 Cloud wrote: You don't need to do any of those things. It's not like it's hard for the mere purpose of being hard (although a lot of people seem to like that). It allows you to do those things to ultimately get yourself the OS that fits your very precise needs but any flavor of Unix is already a working system. It's kind of like the reason Unix resisted graphical interfaces for so many years, they were seen as an impediment, a burden, doing things by keyboard was much faster (still is for many things). The power of Unix is that it allows you to do whatever you want, in a very efficient way. So yeah it's mostly intended for developers. But.. Ubuntu is the kind of Linux that is easy for newbies, it's made for that purpose, you don't need to know anything more than the usual Windows or Mac user. Sometimes it's even more practical, as an example, take the synaptic package manager -- you don't even need to surf the web to find an application that not only fits your needs, but is also compatible with your OS and passes a number of different criteria, such as popularity, good reviews, etc. Ubuntu is also already bundled with a lot of useful applications, probably more than what your regular highschool kid even needs. My comment was a reply to the idea that you can tweak a Linux installation until it works just like MacOS X. It might be possible to do, but I find it to be unnecessary considering that I can use MacOS X out of the box. I can see the value of the Unix (and overall the open source) way of doing things. But just like Macs are not for everyone, the Unix way is not for everyone. Indeed, the Unix way allows you to do things in a very efficient way, but it also has a steeper learning curve. Most people don't have the patience nor time needed to get comfortable with it. | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
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Fir3fly
Australia251 Posts
I know just as well as you that it's not that hard or risky, but what makes you think that all these people buying a computer want to go through this ridiculous amount of trouble. "ugh, i want a computer, i cant be fucked getting out of my chair so ill just fork over $3000 for one of those apple computers cause they're Now what? When their computer fails in a few months or they have some other issue they want to ask somebody out, what do they do? Wouldn't it be nice if there were some place that was experienced with talking to people that don't understand computers well and fixes most of your problems for free[\b]? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH APPLE... FREE.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHUEHUEHUEHEUHUEUEHUHEUHE are you joking? sure they'll probably do minor troubleshooting, but they are definitely not free. they charged a friend of mine $400(+$120) for data recovery off a harddrive and installing a new one. I COULD OF DONE THAT FOR $20(+$80 for the same drive without an apple sticker) I honestly have no idea where you're getting $2700 from. yeah my bad, i seem to just pick out numbers and run with them. Linux would solve this problem, but it's also the worst nightmare of someone just trying to get the things they want to do done. The average computer-user with their iPod and camera, MS-word doc-writing ways trying to get things done in Linux would most likely result in a camera or iPod thrown against a wall. [b] and that is the problem . people dont realise how to do shit, (and i dont blame them for not wanting to) so they just spend more money on supporting apple's monopoly.. same with microsoft. theres GUIS and APPS and wikis and everything for cameras and ipods on linux. but people just dont bother and just use itunes.. "instead of saving as pdf, why dont i just buy ms office 2007" thats the problem, its the monopoly that they have that just pushes them up higher. not to sound like a freetard, but EVERYTHING would be SOOOOO much better if everything was opensource. | ||
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