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Mise
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland580 Posts
January 20 2011 12:20 GMT
#101
The biggest reason I feel GSL is so Terran heavy is that the difference between a great terran (MVP and MarineKing) and a good Terran (Jinro, Nada, etc.) is not huge. They are pretty much one step behind them.

But then let's compare MC, with good Toss players, in other words Genius and SSKS, and you can see the difference is much larger. The same goes with Nestea and the Zerg.
NikonTC
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom418 Posts
January 20 2011 12:22 GMT
#102
On January 20 2011 21:18 5unrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 21:16 NikonTC wrote:
On January 20 2011 21:08 lastmotion wrote:
On January 20 2011 21:03 NikonTC wrote:
This thread is essentially a giant lightbulb for the annoying insects that are balance whiners. The OP doesn't really want to know the reason why terrans are having "so much success" in GSL, he already has his theory (terran imba) and wants to have other people who think the same come and make lots of noise about it.



you've been constantly whining about this; it's one thing to try to defend your race but there are some good discussion going around. there are other people also curious why T has been so successful in GSL, you just want to shush all the people who complain about T, its really obvious why


I thought someone might bring that up. And beleive me threads like this make me seriously consider switching my main race from terran. Not because of self respect, or because i think terran is OP, but because I don't like playing a race and having to worry that the voices of a very vocal minority might actually end up having an effect on the balance of the game (again).

And there is no good discussion being done in this thread that hasn't already been discussed in better threads. This thread was just a honey trap for people that think a certain way (terran imba) and a place for them to all come in and confirm "Its ok guys there's several of us, its ok to think this way".


Well, if you make a thread titled "why are zerg players succeeding so much more in tournaments", I don't know what sort of replies it would get... it will be an interesting experiment. Anyways I digress..


Well I wouldnt start a thread with that title because that's not what is happening. However if i started a thread with the title "Why are zerg so unstoppable lategame?" then I expect we'd see a similar influx of terran players whining about zerg lategame being so strong.
"IdrA crushes the marine push, absolutely demolishes this 2 rax play. Would not be suprised to see a GG from IdrA at any moment" Day[9]
5unrise
Profile Joined May 2009
New Zealand646 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 12:25:06
January 20 2011 12:23 GMT
#103
On January 20 2011 21:22 NikonTC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 21:18 5unrise wrote:
On January 20 2011 21:16 NikonTC wrote:
On January 20 2011 21:08 lastmotion wrote:
On January 20 2011 21:03 NikonTC wrote:
This thread is essentially a giant lightbulb for the annoying insects that are balance whiners. The OP doesn't really want to know the reason why terrans are having "so much success" in GSL, he already has his theory (terran imba) and wants to have other people who think the same come and make lots of noise about it.



you've been constantly whining about this; it's one thing to try to defend your race but there are some good discussion going around. there are other people also curious why T has been so successful in GSL, you just want to shush all the people who complain about T, its really obvious why


I thought someone might bring that up. And beleive me threads like this make me seriously consider switching my main race from terran. Not because of self respect, or because i think terran is OP, but because I don't like playing a race and having to worry that the voices of a very vocal minority might actually end up having an effect on the balance of the game (again).

And there is no good discussion being done in this thread that hasn't already been discussed in better threads. This thread was just a honey trap for people that think a certain way (terran imba) and a place for them to all come in and confirm "Its ok guys there's several of us, its ok to think this way".


Well, if you make a thread titled "why are zerg players succeeding so much more in tournaments", I don't know what sort of replies it would get... it will be an interesting experiment. Anyways I digress..


Well I wouldnt start a thread with that title because that's not what is happening. However if i started a thread with the title "Why are zerg so unstoppable lategame?" then I expect we'd see a similar influx of terran players whining about zerg lategame being so strong.


Fair rebuttal, though i feel protoss lategame is stronger vs terran, but anyway
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
January 20 2011 12:24 GMT
#104
My gut feeling is that way back in Beta when Terran was far and away the strongest race, many good players chose to play Terran and sticked with it. Now I feel we have tolerable balance, but still most of the skilled players are Terran. I'd be hard pressed to enumerate a dozen good Zerg or Protoss players, but with Terran, no problem. Then there's also a certain number of cheesy unskilled Terrans who get uncharacteristically far and inflate the stats, whereas Zerg and Protoss don't have as good cheese options.
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
January 20 2011 12:24 GMT
#105
I think most of it is an aftereffect of Terran being previously really powerful. Now that it's died down, there's still a lot of T players hanging around more than other races because of it.
cozzE
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 12:31:20
January 20 2011 12:29 GMT
#106
^ above 3 posts are very correct. IdrA's anti-terran sentiment since the beta will never die :D. I mostly believe its a mixture of the maps being slightly Terran AND Protoss favoured as well as a higher number of T entrants in the GSL.

To the vocal minority, T is the only race yet to have won a GSL :o).
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
January 20 2011 12:53 GMT
#107
On January 20 2011 21:20 Mise wrote:
The biggest reason I feel GSL is so Terran heavy is that the difference between a great terran (MVP and MarineKing) and a good Terran (Jinro, Nada, etc.) is not huge. They are pretty much one step behind them.

But then let's compare MC, with good Toss players, in other words Genius and SSKS, and you can see the difference is much larger. The same goes with Nestea and the Zerg.

Yeah. If Terran didn't dominate then it would have been a problem. More players playing Terran-->more good Terrans. A good Zerg/Protoss can win the hole thing like they did. I pity the ones that think "IMBA".
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
robertdinh
Profile Joined June 2010
803 Posts
January 20 2011 12:59 GMT
#108
It's because terran is easier to be decent at. Sure there are top zergs and protoss that can outskill terrans, but in reality terrans have the most cost effective units, and they have the best economy mechanics.

They have the most versatile early mid and late game.
True skill comes without effort.
Qzy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Denmark1121 Posts
January 20 2011 13:00 GMT
#109
Blizz already stated there's a problem with TvP, and they were looking into it. Toss will most likely get a buff, or terran a nerf.

Terran is just 10% OP and in the top field these sort of procentage is huge.
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Djeez
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
543 Posts
January 20 2011 13:14 GMT
#110
Seems they had so much success in the IEM qualifiers too. TvT all day erry day.
''Watching steppes of war in the gsl would be like watching the dreamhack 1.6 finals start out on fy_iceworld. '' -red_b
ExoD
Profile Joined December 2010
United States37 Posts
January 20 2011 13:18 GMT
#111
Terran have a +30% "skill" racial boost. Nah Jk but it seems like Terran have more viable options than the other 2 races.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
January 20 2011 13:20 GMT
#112
On January 20 2011 22:00 Qzy wrote:
Blizz already stated there's a problem with TvP, and they were looking into it. Toss will most likely get a buff, or terran a nerf.

Terran is just 10% OP and in the top field these sort of procentage is huge.


Wasn't that Blizz statement before the last patch?
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
January 20 2011 13:21 GMT
#113
well terran is prob the race that isn't explored fully yet
I'm not whining about how strong this race is (blame blizzard -.-) but each unit can be put in to full potential and pretty much can work with other units. When one BO doesn't, someone will make it stronger or have a different strat.
Cost effective units + high econ w/o high number workers or even if all your scv died
I'm not a zerg player but its painful to watch marine+tank+turrets push when zerg can't do anything about it their army just melt like butter
In PVT, I'm impressed with MC and showed us different builds but let's face it we can't be good as him =/
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
January 20 2011 13:24 GMT
#114
On January 20 2011 22:00 Qzy wrote:
Blizz already stated there's a problem with TvP, and they were looking into it. Toss will most likely get a buff, or terran a nerf.

Terran is just 10% OP and in the top field these sort of procentage is huge.


At blizzcon blizzard also said that there was a problem with HT + amulet + storm. Expect a HT nerf too if they nerf T.
EliteReplay
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Dominican Republic913 Posts
January 20 2011 13:25 GMT
#115
On January 20 2011 19:32 Hane wrote:
terran's gameplay is way rich than P/Z
powerfull army - best harass(hellion/drop) - good mobility (bio stim?) - solid defense (tank/bunker/PF/scan/..) - solid eco (MULE) - good late game eco (the more you have cc, the more you can MULE).
Terran OP (sry). You are not limited by your race, but by your hands.



pretty much a resume of Terran OP, agree
if play random i can't call any race imba?
Healingproof
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden81 Posts
January 20 2011 13:26 GMT
#116
On January 20 2011 22:00 Qzy wrote:
Blizz already stated there's a problem with TvP, and they were looking into it. Toss will most likely get a buff, or terran a nerf.

Terran is just 10% OP and in the top field these sort of procentage is huge.

You're very wrong there.

Toss is ahead 10%, not terran. And this was pre toss buff patch. If you listen towards the end, they're stating that a well needed nerf for toss lategame is coming. I don't want to sound biased but Protoss has a pretty big advantage vs terran, especially lategame.
Mercury-
Profile Joined December 2010
Great Britain804 Posts
January 20 2011 13:27 GMT
#117
On January 20 2011 22:00 Qzy wrote:
Blizz already stated there's a problem with TvP, and they were looking into it. Toss will most likely get a buff, or terran a nerf.

Terran is just 10% OP and in the top field these sort of procentage is huge.

They said Terran is too strong early game because of timing attacks and stim, whereas Toss has the advantage lategame with mass Colo/Storm. Now that Toss scouting has been buffed if anything it is Toss lategame that will be nerfed.

lol@10% OP btw
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
January 20 2011 13:27 GMT
#118
On January 20 2011 21:22 NikonTC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 21:18 5unrise wrote:
On January 20 2011 21:16 NikonTC wrote:
On January 20 2011 21:08 lastmotion wrote:
On January 20 2011 21:03 NikonTC wrote:
This thread is essentially a giant lightbulb for the annoying insects that are balance whiners. The OP doesn't really want to know the reason why terrans are having "so much success" in GSL, he already has his theory (terran imba) and wants to have other people who think the same come and make lots of noise about it.



you've been constantly whining about this; it's one thing to try to defend your race but there are some good discussion going around. there are other people also curious why T has been so successful in GSL, you just want to shush all the people who complain about T, its really obvious why


I thought someone might bring that up. And beleive me threads like this make me seriously consider switching my main race from terran. Not because of self respect, or because i think terran is OP, but because I don't like playing a race and having to worry that the voices of a very vocal minority might actually end up having an effect on the balance of the game (again).

And there is no good discussion being done in this thread that hasn't already been discussed in better threads. This thread was just a honey trap for people that think a certain way (terran imba) and a place for them to all come in and confirm "Its ok guys there's several of us, its ok to think this way".


Well, if you make a thread titled "why are zerg players succeeding so much more in tournaments", I don't know what sort of replies it would get... it will be an interesting experiment. Anyways I digress..


Well I wouldnt start a thread with that title because that's not what is happening. However if i started a thread with the title "Why are zerg so unstoppable lategame?" then I expect we'd see a similar influx of terran players whining about zerg lategame being so strong.


I think that's an interesting question with an interesting answer:

Zerg are unstoppable late-game if you've spent two or three bases' worth of resources blasting the living shit out of them and they've managed to survive. They've starved you out; they've earned the win.

Builds like the '4OC' strategy strongly suggest that if you pour resources into unit production facilities rather than units, late-game Zerg is eminently stoppable. You can match and even overtop their '300 food push'. But you won't be able to do that if you've been constantly aggressive. I think late-game Zerg could be absolutely crushed if a Terran methodically turtled on three or four bases, massed unit producing structures, saved up resources and then pushed out. If you're not prepared to do that, why shouldn't a Zerg's tenacity eventually pay off?
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Xadar
Profile Joined October 2010
497 Posts
January 20 2011 13:30 GMT
#119
zerg is awful, protoss players just didnt do very well and the maps are kinda made for terran = terran dominance.
XothermeK
Profile Joined May 2010
United Arab Emirates245 Posts
January 20 2011 13:33 GMT
#120
Maybe change topic to "Why so much Terran hate?" because it's like as if Terrans aren't supposed to win a GSL, ffs. For some reason I feel like there's some proper racism within the game, like Zergs are the ones supposed to win all the time, and if not, something is wrong with the game. If Terrans win, everyone cries.
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