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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On January 08 2011 14:55 NoobieOne wrote: Come on guys in the beginning SC1 was far worse than SC2 is now. Give it time... adsf why isnt Blizzard doing shit about things that can be fixed by doing something. The test server was a very good sign but they need to do more. a lot more. | ||
Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On January 08 2011 14:41 Newguy wrote: Why hasn't blizzard fixed the map pool? It seems like 95% of pros agree that the maps are horrible, and I'm sure map statistics on map pool maps don't look very good. Whats the zvt win ratio on lt and steppes? Lost Temple Korea = TvZ: 14-13 (51.9%) Int = TvZ: 70-47 (59.8%) Steppes of War Korea = TvZ: 7-9 (43.8%) Int = TvZ: 44-31 (58.7%) Metalopolis Korea = TvZ: 17-19 (47.2%) Int = TvZ: 93-54 (63.3%) Xel'Naga Caverns Korea = TvZ: 18-21 (46.2%) Int = TvZ: 81-56 (59.1%) Hahahaha epic differences  Just to make it fun Kulas Ravine Korea = TvZ: 0-4 (0%) Int = TvZ: 16-6 (72.7%) "Macro" map Shakuras Plateau Korea = TvZ: 16-12 (57.1%) Int = TvZ: 13-18 (41.9%) | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On January 08 2011 13:36 DonKey_ wrote: Yup this about sums up my thoughts. When was the last time we heard about a BW tournament for money outside of Korea? Without the Korean pro-scene there isn't much to say about BW; so much of it relies on 3 leagues that foreigners will never be a part of ever again. Conversely if the GSL fails I definitely see MLG and IEM continuing on as though nothing has happened. Except the korean proscene is the ONLY proscene. Foreign professional gaming is a joke in comparison. Why are all the top non koreans in korea? MLG and IEM will continue on because neither is worth anything in the large scheme. Last time we heard of a foreign tournament for money outside of korea? Do you know why it's called the TSL3? On January 08 2011 14:03 DonKey_ wrote: Well I never did say that BW wasn't a global phenomenon, I was just saying that recently BW lost all the steam that it had outside of Korea. I don't think SC2 has to live up to BW either tbh, yes I would like it to, but it's not necessary imo, so long as SC2 can make the general public of western countries more aware of e-sports it's doing good, and I think most people would say it's done a lot in that respect, and I would dare say that it has garnered much more attention than BW received even during it's peak year for westerners. Take the growth of TL as an example; once SC2 came out TL exploded with new users. I'm going to say that the vast majority of the sc2 fanbase wouldn't care whatsoever about sc2 if it weren't for the graphics. A few years down the road, when a new better looking RTS comes out, will sc2 still stand strong? If anything, foreign BW was gaining steam when sc2 beta came out. Novelty and the success of BW is really the only thing keeping sc2 afloat as an esport. And one of those two things is going to wear off soon | ||
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I Hott Sauce I
United States91 Posts
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don_kyuhote
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
On January 07 2011 08:06 Puosu wrote: It's not on TV, Koreans have to watch on the internet just like foreigners unless it has changed recently. BW tournaments have been televized for ten years yet they get significantly bigger audiences for the important matches and even the less important ones. The biggest BW tournament finals have attracted tens of thousands of spectators many a time. It's a difficult situation, most people in Korea seem to prefer BW and the scene behind the game over SC2, but if that doesn't change soon it can affect the growth of esports immensely. I guess we should all hope that the foreign viewers are enough for Gretech to continue hosting the GSL for years to come and that the korean majority jumps in at some point. if this is the case why is it that the GSL has been able to raise so much more money to host their tournaments than any bw tournament? not saying you're wrong, just interesting that they would throw away that much money if they aren't getting viewers.. | ||
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nK)Duke
Germany936 Posts
On January 08 2011 16:15 I Hott Sauce I wrote: I just don't get some of you guys. SCII is new, what do you expect??? its boring as hell, what do you expect? | ||
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ZeroChrome
Canada1001 Posts
On January 08 2011 16:24 KillerPlague wrote: if this is the case why is it that the GSL has been able to raise so much more money to host their tournaments than any bw tournament? not saying you're wrong, just interesting that they would throw away that much money if they aren't getting viewers.. the reason that the GSL has a huge prizepool is to attract more viewers. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
On January 08 2011 16:24 KillerPlague wrote: if this is the case why is it that the GSL has been able to raise so much more money to host their tournaments than any bw tournament? not saying you're wrong, just interesting that they would throw away that much money if they aren't getting viewers.. Raise money? More like Blizzard throwing epic amounts money in efforts to buy popularity for SC2. | ||
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CreepCrepe
37 Posts
I don't understand why watching people go through incredibly mechanical macro is 'more exciting'. It's not, it's frustrating, boring and repetitive. | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On January 08 2011 16:49 CreepCrepe wrote: I don't understand why watching people go through incredibly mechanical macro is 'more exciting'. It's not, it's frustrating, boring and repetitive. that's not all there is to BW. What is exciting is people who can pull off sick micro and harass while doing the macro from multiple bases. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On January 08 2011 16:49 CreepCrepe wrote: I don't understand why watching people go through incredibly mechanical macro is 'more exciting'. It's not, it's frustrating, boring and repetitive. because it defines a player's skill. gulfs in macro ability translate onto the battlefield. just watch the skt vs kt winners league - it's just over. + Show Spoiler + bisu's 6 bases meant nothing without real units backing them up you can win very easily through better macro. | ||
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Jarhead
United States53 Posts
On January 08 2011 16:49 CreepCrepe wrote: I don't understand why watching people go through incredibly mechanical macro is 'more exciting'. It's not, it's frustrating, boring and repetitive. You clearly don't know anything about starcraft. First, you don't actually watch the incredibly mechanical macro... you watch what they do with it. Knowing how hard they work the entire time helps inspire awe, but as a spectator, you aren't constantly thinking about build cycles, drone management, etc. Instead, you're watching the incredibly deep strategy, which is rarely repetitive and has kept viewers interested for ten years. Edit: And this depth of strategy is something that we can only hope SC2 eventually reaches, because it certainly isn't there yet. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
On January 08 2011 16:49 CreepCrepe wrote: I don't understand why watching people go through incredibly mechanical macro is 'more exciting'. It's not, it's frustrating, boring and repetitive. But apparently, enough people feels otherwise to where BW have come 10 years and become what it is now. | ||
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Joroth
United States318 Posts
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kirkybaby
Korea (South)781 Posts
1) It was Sunday night. All other GSL events have always been on a Saturday. Dumb move imho. 2) It was ASS cold last weekend in Seoul, enough to make me not want to go out, I'm sure others felt the same. 3) No one really gives a rats fuck about the beginning of a season, so why make a huge fuss about it. It's like opening day of any sports season, only diehard fans are there since the games are generally of no consequence. | ||
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Jarhead
United States53 Posts
Imagine watching a world class runner lose to a fat guy on a bike. Which racer is more impressive? Now imagine watching Flash macro out of 7+ barracks vs an SC2 plat player out of 7 rax. Sure, they both get the same job done, but somehow Flash is more interesting to watch. Edit: Sorry for the rant. SC2 has a lot of potential and I hope it lasts long enough to grow like BW has, but it is irritating when people claim that the world's most resilient esport is "boring." | ||
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shadymmj
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